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Old September 11th, 2010, 05:12 PM   #3261
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This interior looks narrower than other passenger trains that had a 3+2 configuration, often with some seats facing each other across a table. Are the seats extra wide to make this an optical illusion, or is the CRH380A's cabin actually narrower?

Also, does fastest average operating speed mean the total distance traveled/time? Those trains are going 350 km/hr at some point in their journey, just not the whole way, correct?
Train width is similar to other ones so it is the seats that are larger in my opinion.

Also, for 350km/h (7000m turn radius) lines, for most of the distance, trains travel faster than 300km/h. Because of the stops average speed decreases. For example, in Wuhan–Guangzhou High-Speed Railway, non-stop strains cover the ~900km distance less than 3 hours. And, actually, this what makes Chinese network "special", in my opinion.

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Old September 11th, 2010, 07:18 PM   #3262
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This interior looks narrower than other passenger trains that had a 3+2 configuration, often with some seats facing each other across a table. Are the seats extra wide to make this an optical illusion, or is the CRH380A's cabin actually narrower?

Also, does fastest average operating speed mean the total distance traveled/time? Those trains are going 350 km/hr at some point in their journey, just not the whole way, correct?
I think this is first class, which on existing trains is already 2+2
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Old September 11th, 2010, 08:03 PM   #3263
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Hong Kong Section of High Speed Rail

Are they tunneling that line under the entire city? WOW! How far inland will a train have to go before it sees daylight? (Note that I don't know a word of Chinese.)

Impressive looking station area, too.

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Old September 11th, 2010, 08:53 PM   #3264
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Compare old CRH, first class:
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and second class

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Old September 11th, 2010, 09:33 PM   #3265
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I would like to partecipate with the EUROPEAN UNION (the best among all UE nations)... i think it'll be "SLIGHTLY" different the final result... and i can't see India... does she partecipate?

Korean and Chinese are at the moment what Japanese were 50 years ago.

COPYWORKERS.

Only Indians are serious in Asia.

Germany above all. But if they could have had the same population (of a medium high nation) and the same extension of soil (of any of this nations) Netherlands and DUTCH people would have been the best in the world. Better than USA, China and India, Brazil, Russia etc...

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It's like the Olympic Games: China has 1,3 bilion inhabitants... but if UE will partecipate united will win easily.

With the same number of population China would have been one the worst in thw world. Their fortune are the 400 milions of under 15. Only people, not culture neither mentality. Only demographics blackmail, like India, Indonesia, Africa and Brazil.

BUT EUROPE WILL BE ALWAYS THE BEST. We are the civilization. We are the world. (USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand are extensions of Europe).

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Old September 11th, 2010, 09:37 PM   #3266
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Gross Domestic Production isn't civilization. What about RIGHTS IN ASIA (excluded Japan)??? What about EQUALITY? WHAT ABOUT FAIRNESS? WHAT ABOUT JUSTICE? WHAT ABOUT REDUNDANCY? WHAT ABOUT RESPECT? WHAT ABOUT ENVIRONMENT?

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Old September 11th, 2010, 09:55 PM   #3267
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It reminds me of a Shinkansen...the painting is exactly the same.
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Old September 11th, 2010, 10:09 PM   #3268
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Are they tunneling that line under the entire city? WOW! How far inland will a train have to go before it sees daylight? (Note that I don't know a word of Chinese.)

Impressive looking station area, too.

Mike
The entire section in HK is underground, it will be about 50km until it "surfaces" (the station in Shenzhen is also underground)
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Old September 11th, 2010, 11:37 PM   #3269
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It reminds me of a Shinkansen...the painting is exactly the same.
Well, it's got a Shinkansen mother

But what do you mean the painting is exactly the same? the same as which series? Do they paint trains in this sky-blue color in Japan at all???
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Old September 11th, 2010, 11:40 PM   #3270
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Sky blue color?

Look at the entire side of the train, I am not talking about the front. All white with blue line is what Shinkansens use.
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Old September 12th, 2010, 12:14 AM   #3271
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Actually, both front and side paint scheme look uncannily similar to the 500 series Shinkansen (perhaps crossed with the typical white / blue scheme of the Tōkaidō / San'yō Shinkansen):


Source: Wikipedia

For the sides, both trains have dark grey window area and a blue beltline.
For the front, both trains have a blue / gray face that drops down from the roof of the train.
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Old September 12th, 2010, 12:25 AM   #3272
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Series 500 looks much better. Then again, CRH3/Velaro looks better than the 500 Series... or anything else for that matter. Only Zefiro 380 possibly looks better than Velaro.
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Appearance vise, 500 series looks terrible for me because of tube like body.
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Old September 12th, 2010, 09:39 AM   #3274
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Old September 12th, 2010, 12:53 PM   #3275
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CRH1-380 (Zefiro 380)?
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Old September 13th, 2010, 11:08 AM   #3276
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Hong Kong Section of High Speed Rail


From the looks of it, the Hong Kong highspeed rail station seems to be the most sophisticated in design out of the entire Chinese HSR system.
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Old September 13th, 2010, 11:21 AM   #3277
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Alstom still has business in China ? I thought they are already barred from entering the Chinese market after their CEO ran amok with his verbal bonanza.
There are 69 CRH5 on service.
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Old September 13th, 2010, 11:23 AM   #3278
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Their CRH5 product (ETR without tilt) is an under-performer in the Chinese market. The trains have been relegated to low temperate operating conditions. Why this happens is beyond me?! I suspect political motives behind this as well.

You see components (even if its only initial shell design) of the E2 (CRH2), Velaros (CRH3), Reginas (CRH1) being modified for 380km/h operation, yet the Alstom product doesn’t make it through….
Because Alstom offered a Pendolino-derived trainset instead of the AGV. The CRH5 operates on the 200-250 km/h network, i think.
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Old September 13th, 2010, 11:24 AM   #3279
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I would like to partecipate with the EUROPEAN UNION (the best among all UE nations)... i think it'll be "SLIGHTLY" different the final result... and i can't see India... does she partecipate?

Korean and Chinese are at the moment what Japanese were 50 years ago.

COPYWORKERS.

Only Indians are serious in Asia.

Germany above all. But if they could have had the same population (of a medium high nation) and the same extension of soil (of any of this nations) Netherlands and DUTCH people would have been the best in the world. Better than USA, China and India, Brazil, Russia etc...

P.S:

It's like the Olympic Games: China has 1,3 bilion inhabitants... but if UE will partecipate united will win easily.

With the same number of population China would have been one the worst in thw world. Their fortune are the 400 milions of under 15. Only people, not culture neither mentality. Only demographics blackmail, like India, Indonesia, Africa and Brazil.

BUT EUROPE WILL BE ALWAYS THE BEST. We are the civilization. We are the world. (USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand are extensions of Europe).
Please, ban this f*****g troll. Europe was good only with colonialism.
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Old September 13th, 2010, 11:37 AM   #3280
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BUT EUROPE WILL BE ALWAYS THE BEST. We are the civilization. We are the world. (USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand are extensions of Europe).
Right. . . go save your European PIGS (Portugal, Italy, Greece, & Spain) first. They are in such bad shape not even the Germans want to save their butts.
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