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Old September 20th, 2010, 10:56 AM   #3321
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Coming from the guy that said China had no shot of winning US contracts to China being a contender more than the ones you favor. Are you back now to China having no shot? Yeah China has no shot just like no else because HSR throughout the US is a fantasy. And it sounds like you know nothing of US bureaucracy. HSR just as any other infrastructure project is going to cost many times more especially with who you want to win US contracts.
Don't argue too much with him. People like him will just twist their words any time to fit their argument.This guy only comes here to put down the Chinese HSR and to promote the Rotem whatsoever it is and how it's not a copy of the French TVG and how Korean bid is not running on low cost. What a farce ! What insecure and loser mentality. We shall see how many contracts the copycat Rotem will win around the world.

PS : I already suggested his identity way before but it was misinterpreted by some members as an Indian.
He's also a regular visitor of the China Car Times website, his name on that site is I_Hate_China.

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Old September 20th, 2010, 12:17 PM   #3322
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Chinese MOR CRH trains order timetable, update with quantity of cars added

Code:
Date         Factory                  Class     Type    Quantity Quantity   Amount
                                                         (Set)    (Car)
2004-10-10   Alstom & CNR Changchun  250km/h   CRH5A      60       480     620 m ERU
2004-10-12   Bombadier & BST         250km/h   CRH1A      20       160     350 m USD
2004-10-12   Kawasaki  & CSR Sifang  250km/h   CRH2A      60       480   9,300 m RMB
2005-05-31   Bombadier & BST         250km/h   CRH1A      20       160     350 m USD
Jun 2005     CSR Sifang              300km/h   CRH2C      60       480   8,200 m RMB
Nov 2005     Siemens & CNR Tangshan  350km/h   CRH3C      60       480  13,000 m RMB
2007-10-31   BST                     250km/h   CRH1B & 1E 20+20    640   1,000 m ERU
Nov 2007     CSR Sifang              250km/h   CRH2B      10       160   1,200 m RMB
Nov 2007     CSR Sifang              250km/h   CRH2E       6        96     900 m RMB
Dec 2008     CSR Sifang              250km/h   CRH2E      14       224   2,100 m RMB
Jun 2009     CNR Changchun           250km/h   CRH5A      30       240   4,800 m RMB
2009-03-16   CNR Tangshan            380km/h   CRH380C    70     1,120  27,440 m RMB
2009-03-16   CNR Changchun           380km/h   CRH380C    30       480  11,760 m RMB
2009-09-28   CSR Sifang              380km/h   CRH380A   140     1,920  45,000 m RMB
2009-09-28   Bombadier & BST         380km/h   CRH380B    80     1,120  27,400 m RMB
2009-09-28   CNR Changchun           380km/h   CRH380C   120       960  23,500 m RMB
2009-09-28   CNR Tangshan            380km/h   CRH380C    20       160   3,920 m RMB
2010-07-16   BST                     250km/h   CRH1A      40       320   5,200 m RMB
2010-09-14   CSR Sifang              250km/h   CRH2A      20       160   3,400 m RMB
Total                                                    900     9,840
                                                         (1230 standard train sets)

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Old September 20th, 2010, 05:26 PM   #3323
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Wuhan-Guangzhou high-speed rail launches 'bus transportation' model

17:14, September 19, 2010

Wuhan-Guangzhou high-speed rail will officially launch its "bus transportation" model starting on Sept. 20, will increase its open-line density, expand its daily lines to 140, and plans to increase lines to 160 during peak periods. Guest capacity will exceed 9 million per day. All adjusted lines will be routed through Changsha station.

According to the report, the adjusted Wuhan-Guangzhou high-speed rail will arrange its lines by three kinds of conditions, daily, weekend and peak periods, which include "Golden Weeks," Half-day holidays, vacation, etc. The Golden Weeks are National Day holiday and Spring Festival seven days. There will be 140 lines open on the weekday, 150 lines on weekends.

Adjusted high-speed rail from Guangzhou to Changsha will have departures on the average every 11 minutes, and the shortest interval will be 5 minutes. Train from Gunagzhou to Wuhan departures on the average every 15 minutes. Basically implement the "bus transportation" model. During Asian Games, audience from Hunan, Hubei provinces could carry out a "Day Trip."

Since it opened, the daily ridership has been 33,000 passengers, compared to the daily 42,000 passengers during Chinese Lunar New Year. Since July 1, daily ridership equaled 56,000 passengers after adjustment.

As Wuhan-Guangzhou high-speed rail becomes more and more important, there has been rapid tourism development along the rail. For example, Hengshan of Hunan Province saw an average of 30 percent growth in city tourism revenues.

According to the Guangzhou Railway Group, the adjustment is not only to meet the needs of passengers, also for the transportation service requirement during Mid-Autumn Festival, National Day Holiday and Asian Games, and to meet the strong demand of the local government and local tourism industry.

trains on service at Wuguang PDL during peak periods

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section               trains/day       trains/day
                     (New timetable) (Previous timetable)
Wuhan-Guangzhou          52            50 
Guangzhou-Wuhan          52            50
Changsha-Guangzhou       28            13   
Guangzhou-Changsha       28            13
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Old September 20th, 2010, 05:51 PM   #3324
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Wuhan-Guangzhou high-speed rail launches 'bus transportation' model

17:14, September 19, 2010

Wuhan-Guangzhou high-speed rail will officially launch its "bus transportation" model starting on Sept. 20, will increase its open-line density, expand its daily lines to 140, and plans to increase lines to 160 during peak periods. Guest capacity will exceed 9 million per day. All adjusted lines will be routed through Changsha station.

According to the report, the adjusted Wuhan-Guangzhou high-speed rail will arrange its lines by three kinds of conditions, daily, weekend and peak periods, which include "Golden Weeks," Half-day holidays, vacation, etc. The Golden Weeks are National Day holiday and Spring Festival seven days. There will be 140 lines open on the weekday, 150 lines on weekends.

Adjusted high-speed rail from Guangzhou to Changsha will have departures on the average every 11 minutes, and the shortest interval will be 5 minutes. Train from Gunagzhou to Wuhan departures on the average every 15 minutes. Basically implement the "bus transportation" model. During Asian Games, audience from Hunan, Hubei provinces could carry out a "Day Trip."

Since it opened, the daily ridership has been 33,000 passengers, compared to the daily 42,000 passengers during Chinese Lunar New Year. Since July 1, daily ridership equaled 56,000 passengers after adjustment.

As Wuhan-Guangzhou high-speed rail becomes more and more important, there has been rapid tourism development along the rail. For example, Hengshan of Hunan Province saw an average of 30 percent growth in city tourism revenues.

According to the Guangzhou Railway Group, the adjustment is not only to meet the needs of passengers, also for the transportation service requirement during Mid-Autumn Festival, National Day Holiday and Asian Games, and to meet the strong demand of the local government and local tourism industry.

trains on service at Wuguang PDL during peak periods

Code:
section               trains/day       trains/day
                     (New timetable) (Previous timetable)
Wuhan-Guangzhou          52            50 
Guangzhou-Wuhan          52            50
Changsha-Guangzhou       28            13   
Guangzhou-Changsha       28            13
Crazy amount of passengers. Well, I guess it is only normal when you consider 1.3 billion people and tradition of travel by train in China. Numbers discussed here clearly shows that by far biggest market for trains is China. It is obvious to me that China will shape the future of rail transport. All this development will surely affect the air travel tough.

I wonder the growth figures for Chinese airways after this HSR network fully functional. I bet it will find a very very hard time. Very bad news for ARJ-21.
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Old September 20th, 2010, 07:09 PM   #3325
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Guest capacity will exceed 9 million per day.
That seems a little absurd considering 33,000 are riding it daily now. China might do well to slow down a bit, take a deep breath, and examine whether the entire population of Guangzhou is going to be traveling along that line every day. They can always expand services later with the latest, greatest trains, no need to expand so fast, now that the tracks are laid.
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Old September 20th, 2010, 08:25 PM   #3326
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It just says the capacity. Doesn't mean they will offer 9m seats every day. I guess they will only have max capacity during the peak seasons like spring festival and Chinese new year.
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Old September 20th, 2010, 09:02 PM   #3327
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All this development will surely affect the air travel tough.

I wonder the growth figures for Chinese airways after this HSR network fully functional. I bet it will find a very very hard time. Very bad news for ARJ-21.
Where do the high-speed railways Wuhan-Changsha-Guangzhou and Wuhan-Jiujiang-Nanchang go relative to the airports of Wuhan, Changsha and Nanchang? Shall it be easy to travel by HSR to an airport in a different city and fly from there to distant places?
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Old September 20th, 2010, 10:50 PM   #3328
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It just says the capacity. Doesn't mean they will offer 9m seats every day. I guess they will only have max capacity during the peak seasons like spring festival and Chinese new year.
I hope you're right, that would make sense. Maybe they were referring to the theoretical maximum capacity of the high speed line, and not suggesting they were going to have than many seats going back and forth each day.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 05:11 AM   #3329
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Yichang-Wanzhou Railway from above







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Old September 21st, 2010, 05:47 AM   #3330
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Thanks for the great aerial pictures! The complexity of the project is perfectly shown in the pictures.

This line never ceases to amaze me. Hats off to the engineers and workers.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 07:31 AM   #3331
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Gosh, not one inch of flat land. Amazing how this mountainous area is tamed by bridges and tunnels.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 07:50 AM   #3332
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wow. nice representation of the complexity of the project.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 08:03 AM   #3333
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Gosh, not one inch of flat land. Amazing how this mountainous area is tamed by bridges and tunnels.
and these mountains in a karst area are like sponges (more like frozen tofu if you know what that is), containing tons of water
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the Yiwan railway is China's most difficult mountain railway, and it cost 7 years to built, it is also consideres as the most expensive build as crosses the most difficult monutainous, as the 377km railway cost 22.5 billion RMB, became a record cost of 60 million / kilometer, the former record was the Qinghai-Tibet railway at 29 million RMB / kilometer.

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Old September 21st, 2010, 11:27 AM   #3335
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9.20 Nanchang Jiujiang CRH officially opens

Length: 135km
Max speed: 250km/h
Travel time: 45mins















http://slide.news.sina.com.cn/c/slide_1_2841_13175.html
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Old September 21st, 2010, 03:16 PM   #3336
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Central China's initial network of high-speed railways formed

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90...2/7147467.html

15:04, September 21, 2010

The high-speed train D6342 from left from China's Nanchang on Monday morning, marking the formal start of operations for central China's first intercity high-speed railway.

From Jiangxi’s Nanchang to Jiujiang, the Changjiu high-speed railway connects to the north with Jiangguang railway, which runs from Beijing to Guangzhou, and Wuguang high-speed railway, from Wuhan to Guangzhou. To the south, it connects with Jingjiu railway, or the Beijing-Jiujiang-Kowloon Railway, and Hukun railway, which runs from Shanghai to Kunming. It will be one of the most important parts of central China's high-speed railway network.

Jiangxi has its first real high-speed railway

With its dense population, the plain in north Jiangxi has the highest level of urbanization and most robust economic growth in Jiangxi Province. Although there are several railways in central China, such as Jingjiu railway, Hukun railway, Wangan railway, Wujiu railway and Yingxia railway, the railway network and the line structures still need improvement.

Jingjiu railway and Hukun railway can only meet 35 percent of the traffic. In particular, from Nanchang to Jiujiang, part of Jingjiu line has become one of the China's most intense and busy routes.

Changjiu inter-city railway connects with Wujiu railway at the Lusha station to the north. Therefore, it can connect with Jingguang railway and Wuguang high-speed rail. It connects with Jingjiu at the Lehua station and then it can connect with Hukung railway.

It is of great significance that the operation of Nanchang-Jiujiang intercity high-speed railway can effectively alleviate the pressure of Jingjiu railway as well as enhance the transport capability, the deputy director of Nanchang Railway Bureau Dai Pingfeng said.

To be the first high-speed railway in Jiangxi, Changjiu railway required an accumulated investment of 5.8 billion yuan and has a total length of 135 kilometers. It is designed to reach a speed of 250 kilometers per hour and shorten the time from Nanchang to Jiujiang and from Nanchang to Wuchang to 45 minutes and 2.5 hours respectively.

Blueprint of central "golden triangle" composed of Jiangxi, Hubei and Hunan revealed

Currently, it only takes 2.5 hours from Nanchang to Wuhan, and then it will take 1.5 hours to Changsha. A picture of a central "golden triangle" composed of Jiangxi, Hubei and Hunan is coming into focus.

The Changjiu intercity high-speed railway routes through the core area of economic and ecological zones in Poyang Lake regions and China's famous places of historical interest Lushan Mountain, Prince Teng Pavilion, Yellow Crane Tower and Yueyang Pavilion. And just because of its operation, the above places might become the new most popular tourist destinations.

And Nanchang Railway Bureau has already started to do R&D for the tourism resources and service.

Shielding effect should be alert to

According to the operation model, the Changjiu railway will use high-speed trains and normal trains at simultaneously with 17 EMUs (eclectic motor train units) from Nanchang to Jiujiang, 17 EMUs from Nanchang to Wuhan.
 
Dai Pingfeng believed that the comparative advantage of high-speed rail will bring some pressure on other modes of transportation, but it will also stimulate the growth of passenger demand.

"It will greatly stimulate the tourist flows and bring the overall increase in passenger traffic," said Dai.

 As of now, the operational mileage of high-speed railways has reached 640 kilometers in Fujian and Jiangxi provinces, which have railways managed by the Nanchang Railway Bureau, For the cities nearby, the high-speed railways not only brings more passengers, but also unlimited opportunities for development.

By Zhao Chenyan, People's Daily Online

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ICL - Inter-city lines
UCL - Upgraded convention lines

Code:
line           section              length       designed speed
Changjiu ICL   Nanchang-Jiujiang     135km          250km/h
Wujiu UCL      Wuchang-Jiujiang      243km          200km/h

CRH Operating infomation

Start-Stop            lenth      fastest Average        trains/day
                                 Operating Speed
Nanchang-Jiujiang     135km         180km/h                9
Jiujiang-Nanchang     135km         180km/h                9
Wuchang-Nanchang      388km       155.2km/h                8 
Nanchang-Wuchang      388km       155.2km/h                8

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Old September 21st, 2010, 04:24 PM   #3337
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are there any plans for double deck HS trains in China?

I imagine once the tracks are busy the only way to increase capacity is with double deckers or with 16 cars trains.
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are there any plans for double deck HS trains in China?

I imagine once the tracks are busy the only way to increase capacity is with double deckers or with 16 cars trains.
the 16 cars trains are already on service in China high-speed rail, but still no plan for double-deck high speed trains
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Old September 21st, 2010, 05:12 PM   #3339
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Dacheng PFL open for CRH service

september 20, the Dacheng PFL opened with CRH service in the Dazhou-Chengdu section,that means the whole line are now come into service as a high speed rail. before that, CRH service opened at the Chengdu-Suining section as part of the Chengdu-Chongqing CRG service was opened in last year

a CRH1A at Dazhou Station





related railways

PFL - Mixed passenger & freight HSR line
UCL - Upgraded convention lines

Code:
line           section              length       designed speed
Dacheng ICL    Dazhou-Chengdu        374km          200km/h
Suiyu UCL      Suining-Chongqing     165km          160km/h

CRH Operating infomation

Start-Stop            lenth      fastest Average        trains/day
                                 Operating Speed
Chongqing-Chengdu     315km      160.17km/h                10
Chengdu-Chongqing     315km      160.17km/h                10
Dazhou-Chengdu        374km      159.15km/h                5 
Chengdu-Dazhou        374km      159.15km/h                5

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Old September 21st, 2010, 05:43 PM   #3340
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are there any plans for double deck HS trains in China?

I imagine once the tracks are busy the only way to increase capacity is with double deckers or with 16 cars trains.
Aerodynamics may not work as well for a double-decker going at 300+ km/h!
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