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Old September 28th, 2010, 09:32 AM   #3401
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26 minutes ago, a CRH 380A train during trial operation (not test run) on Shanghai-Hangzhou HSR reached 416.6 km/h.

It's all over the news now.

source: http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2010-09-28/113621186681.shtml

The trial operation seems to be a success despite the drizzle.
and in later news, the CRH380A finished the 202 km Huhang PDL travel in 40 minutes at a average speed of 303km/h.

http://www.cs.com.cn/sylm/jsbd/20100...8_2610558.html

the Huhang PDL is a 350km/h class HSR line set to open by October, 2010, and the designed travel time from Shanghai to hangzhou is 38 minute, at wverage speed of 318.947 km/h
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Old September 28th, 2010, 12:48 PM   #3402
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Old September 28th, 2010, 02:58 PM   #3403
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Does anybody have some pics of the Shanghai Hangzhou High Speed rail and the trains which are being used there?
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Old September 28th, 2010, 04:50 PM   #3404
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Does anybody have some pics of the Shanghai Hangzhou High Speed rail and the trains which are being used there?

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Old September 28th, 2010, 05:25 PM   #3405
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Does anybody have some pics of the Shanghai Hangzhou High Speed rail and the trains which are being used there?






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Old September 28th, 2010, 05:36 PM   #3406
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the Huhang PDL is a 350km/h class HSR line set to open by October, 2010, and the designed travel time from Shanghai to hangzhou is 38 minute, at wverage speed of 318.947 km/h
Is that time nonstop, or with all (8?) stops?
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Old September 28th, 2010, 05:46 PM   #3407
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Is that time nonstop, or with all (8?) stops?
38 minutes is non-stop time. The distance is 159 km. Average speed = 251 km/h
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Old September 28th, 2010, 06:01 PM   #3408
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The line between Shanghai and Hangzhou is 150km long (or 160 it doesn't really matter). A travel time of 38min (non-stop service) equals to an average speed of around 250km/h. How come China is claiming an average speed of 318 km/h??? on a line designed for speed up to 350.
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Old September 28th, 2010, 06:03 PM   #3409
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The line between Shanghai and Hangzhou is 150km long (or 160 it doesn't really matter). A travel time of 38min (non-stop service) equals to an average speed of around 250km/h. How come China is claiming an average speed of 318 km/h??? on a line designed for speed up to 350.
China didn't claim 318 km/h. It was greenlion did so.

The news report says the total distance of today's test run was 202 km, and the total time was 40 minutes. 202 km is the distance between Shanghai's main station to Hangzhou's main station. With top speed at 417 km/h, it may be possible to cover this section of track in 40 minutes, at an average speed of 303 km/h. But it was only a test run.

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Old September 28th, 2010, 06:09 PM   #3410
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Actually he is right. The distance between the two stations is 202km (thus the 318km/h on average) but the High Speed part of the line is only 158km long.
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Old September 28th, 2010, 06:13 PM   #3411
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Actually he is right. The distance between the two stations is 202km (thus the 318km/h on average) but the High Speed part of the line is only 158km long.
The high speed train will depart from Shanghai's Hongqiao Station and arrive in Hangzhou's East Station during normal operation. The distance between these two stations is about 160 km.
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Old September 28th, 2010, 06:21 PM   #3412
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Ok then they are not using the same stations as they will later on for commercial purpose. Judging by google map, the new station in Shanghai is pretty far away from the city center (as far as an airport usually is), why is that?

The purpose of the train is to get right into the city, and almost all the stations linked by High speed train in Europe and Japan are in city centers. Since Shanghai will be a very common final destination for trains, why can't they schedule train to the old station closer to the city?

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Old September 28th, 2010, 09:17 PM   #3413
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Ok then they are not using the same stations as they will later on for commercial purpose. Judging by google map, the new station in Shanghai is pretty far away from the city center (as far as an airport usually is), why is that?

The purpose of the train is to get right into the city, and almost all the stations linked by High speed train in Europe and Japan are in city centers. Since Shanghai will be a very common final destination for trains, why can't they schedule train to the old station closer to the city?

Hongqiao station is built at Hongqiao airport, one of the two airports of Shanghai, with most domestic flights. I believe it is well connected with public transit and city expressways. It is specifically designed to be a high speed rail station.
Hangzhou east station is locate just east of the city centre and is still u/c. when it's completed it will be connected with Hanghzou's first metro line too. The problem with Hangzhou is that the city centre is too densely built and the lake and rivers are surrounding it. But as the city expanding eastward, the location of train station is not as remote as it seems. Though it may take ppl living on the west side of the city more than 1 hour to reach the station on a regular traffic.
I also think there will be service between the stations in city centre too, just not as many.
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Old September 28th, 2010, 09:20 PM   #3414
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Old September 28th, 2010, 09:52 PM   #3415
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Thanks all for the lovely train pictures!
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Old September 28th, 2010, 10:29 PM   #3416
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Hongqiao station is built at Hongqiao airport, one of the two airports of Shanghai, with most domestic flights. I believe it is well connected with public transit and city expressways. It is specifically designed to be a high speed rail station.
Hangzhou east station is locate just east of the city centre and is still u/c. when it's completed it will be connected with Hanghzou's first metro line too. The problem with Hangzhou is that the city centre is too densely built and the lake and rivers are surrounding it. But as the city expanding eastward, the location of train station is not as remote as it seems. Though it may take ppl living on the west side of the city more than 1 hour to reach the station on a regular traffic.
I also think there will be service between the stations in city centre too, just not as many.
When Shanghai-Nanjing high-speed railway first opened on 1st of July, most services were to Hongqiao station, only few continued to Shanghai station. This was found to be inconvenient and the schedules were changed just a few days after the opening of the railway, in a hurry - the railway actually stopped selling any tickets at all without explaining whether the railway would be reopened. Under the new timetable, I gather that most trains do stop at Hongqiao, then continue to the main station. After all, since Shanghai is a terminus of the trains, additional stops and slow travel in central city do not make the Hongqiao-Nanjing part any slower, just the turn time of trains is longer.

Have the schedule makers learned from experience? What will the schedule be like when the service starts this Friday?
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Old September 28th, 2010, 11:05 PM   #3417
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Under the new timetable, I gather that most trains do stop at Hongqiao, then continue to the main station.
This is not possible. There are simply more trains between Shanghai Station and Nanjing, and these trains do not pass Hongqiao(otherwise they would go back and forth on the same tour.)

You have to wait for all the metro lines being finished, preferrably the maglev extension too, to see the advantage of Hongqiao Station. Currently Shanghai Station is more convenient of course.
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Ok then they are not using the same stations as they will later on for commercial purpose. Judging by google map, the new station in Shanghai is pretty far away from the city center (as far as an airport usually is), why is that?

The purpose of the train is to get right into the city, and almost all the stations linked by High speed train in Europe and Japan are in city centers. Since Shanghai will be a very common final destination for trains, why can't they schedule train to the old station closer to the city?
This reminds me that we ought to set up a FAQ section for this kinda questions. These are valuable questions often asked on Chinese forums too, since almost all HSR stations are not located in city centers in China. And I've seen this question brought up more than once on SSC.

To me there are two major advantages: 1. much cheaper to build on a big scale; 2. good for the neigboring areas, which were usually planned for mass development previously. China is still undergoing rapid urban development, so it is hard to tell where the city centers are after one decade or two.

The biggest problem so far is the connection between HSR stations and city public transportation systems. Since the city is responsible for the connection(both MOR and city are in charge of the HSR stations), there is a lag causing trouble for passengers. The HSR stations are still under construction and most metro lines are being built, therefore it will take some time to get a smooth connection.

As for Hongqiao, I don't think it is far from city center, it may look so on the map, but it is never thought to be a suburban area IMO. Hongqiao is also aiming to be a CBD area in western Shanghai. There are many people living close to that area, including many Taiwanese and foreigners from Korea and other countries.
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Old September 29th, 2010, 02:21 AM   #3419
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Old September 29th, 2010, 02:28 AM   #3420
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Hongqiao station is built at Hongqiao airport, one of the two airports of Shanghai, with most domestic flights. I believe it is well connected with public transit and city expressways. It is specifically designed to be a high speed rail station.
Hangzhou east station is locate just east of the city centre and is still u/c. when it's completed it will be connected with Hanghzou's first metro line too. The problem with Hangzhou is that the city centre is too densely built and the lake and rivers are surrounding it. But as the city expanding eastward, the location of train station is not as remote as it seems. Though it may take ppl living on the west side of the city more than 1 hour to reach the station on a regular traffic.
I also think there will be service between the stations in city centre too, just not as many.
Having taken the subway before to Hongqiao from People's Square it's about a 25min ride.
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