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Old October 7th, 2010, 09:04 PM   #3501
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Old October 7th, 2010, 09:09 PM   #3502
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Another proposed line, from Lhasa east to Nyingchi,
Is the rail line supposed to end at Nyingchi, or continue to Sichuan?
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Old October 7th, 2010, 10:38 PM   #3503
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"But the biggest beneficiary will be the local Tibetan population. Granted, more Han tourists will come. but it also means the local Tibetan population will have a chance to visit other parts of China cheaply and open up their horizons and give them more opportunities.

Of course, the Economist and many westerners won't like it simply because they want the Tibetans to be locked up in a medieval-age state of mind, so that the entire TAR will serve as an anthropology museum for the adventure-seeking westerners and make them feel superior."

On the other hand, this commentator must be a Han Chinese. The empirical fact is that many ethnic minorities/indigenous peoples do not want the muscular, full-on progress. This Han Chinese should travel abroad and see things in his own eyes. There are many examples. For example, many indigenous Greenlanders just want some modern conveniences and nothing more.
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Old October 7th, 2010, 11:03 PM   #3504
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"But the biggest beneficiary will be the local Tibetan population. Granted, more Han tourists will come. but it also means the local Tibetan population will have a chance to visit other parts of China cheaply and open up their horizons and give them more opportunities.

Of course, the Economist and many westerners won't like it simply because they want the Tibetans to be locked up in a medieval-age state of mind, so that the entire TAR will serve as an anthropology museum for the adventure-seeking westerners and make them feel superior."

On the other hand, this commentator must be a Han Chinese. The empirical fact is that many ethnic minorities/indigenous peoples do not want the muscular, full-on progress. This Han Chinese should travel abroad and see things in his own eyes. There are many examples. For example, many indigenous Greenlanders just want some modern conveniences and nothing more.
Anyway, there are one thousand reasons you can criticize the Chinese government towards their policy in Tibet, but one exception is the transportation infrastructure. A railway line benefits everyone. It is like the exploration of Mars, no matter who invest on such a project, I would support them without any reservation. I dream one day I can ride a 800-km/h maglev train in Tibet's thin air, from Kashgar to Mount Kailash and Everest all the way in just a couple of hours, then take an elevator to the summit of Everest, and then onward to Kathmandu and India. I believe sooner or later there will be a cable car system to the summit of Mount Everest. No one can stop the development of human beings. No one!

I have been to Tibet for five times in the past few years. Last time I traveled from Lhasa to Shigatse, it took me SEVEN HOURS in a bus, only for a just-over-200-kilometer distance. You can't understand Tibetan people's need and the difficulty of life unless you have been there, and been there with respect. Photos: http://www.yaohua2000.org/2010/20100911/5.html

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Old October 7th, 2010, 11:32 PM   #3505
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On the other hand, this commentator must be a Han Chinese. The empirical fact is that many ethnic minorities/indigenous peoples do not want the muscular, full-on progress. This Han Chinese should travel abroad and see things in his own eyes. There are many examples. For example, many indigenous Greenlanders just want some modern conveniences and nothing more.
Or have a look how the Austalian aborigines live a happy life with a lot of alcohols, or the natives Americans ekeing out a fabulous life in the reservations. They all should be thankful that they were not wiped out and lead such a wonderful life granted by the "white" man.
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Old October 7th, 2010, 11:57 PM   #3506
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Anyway, there are one thousand reasons you can criticize the Chinese government towards their policy in Tibet, but one exception is the transportation infrastructure. A railway line benefits everyone. It is like the exploration of Mars, no matter who invest on such a project, I would support them without any reservation. I dream one day I can ride a 800-km/h maglev train in Tibet's thin air, from Kashgar to Mount Kailash and Everest all the way in just a couple of hours, then take an elevator to the summit of Everest, and then onward to Kathmandu and India. I believe sooner or later there will be a cable car system to the summit of Mount Everest. No one can stop the development of human beings. No one!

I have been to Tibet for five times in the past few years. Last time I traveled from Lhasa to Shigatse, it took me SEVEN HOURS in a bus, only for a just-over-200-kilometer distance. You can't understand Tibetan people's need and the difficulty of life unless you have been there, and been there with respect. Photos: http://www.yaohua2000.org/2010/20100911/5.html
No, I am not criticizing the Chinese transport policy at all. The problem I have is that Han Chinese assume that everything they do for the Tibetans is better than Tibetans can come up with for themselves. Neither am I having fetish with the Tibetan way of life. Actually, I do not care for it. You cannot force vegetarians to eat meat even meat consumed in appropriate portions is very good for you.

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Old October 8th, 2010, 12:10 AM   #3507
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Or have a look how the Austalian aborigines live a happy life with a lot of alcohols, or the natives Americans ekeing out a fabulous life in the reservations. They all should be thankful that they were not wiped out and lead such a wonderful life granted by the "white" man.
Or understand the fact that no Whites force the Aborigines to consume alcohols and many native Americans are happy with operating casinos in their reservations. Or look at how the English repressed the Welsh a millennium ago. Or better yet understand the Whites these days do not think they are the saviors to the natives. Build the railways, but do not expect that everyone will cheer for them. I am all for the Hong Kong express rail, and do not care about those who are against it.

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Old October 8th, 2010, 01:14 AM   #3508
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No, I am not criticizing the Chinese transport policy at all. The problem I have is that Han Chinese assume that everything they do for the Tibetans is better than Tibetans can come up with for themselves. Neither am I having fetish with the Tibetan way of life. Actually, I do not care for it. You cannot force vegetarians to eat meat even meat consumed in appropriate portions is very good for you.
Actually Tibetans couldn't do it themselves. Tibet is a huge region, very poor and with a very low demographic density. They could never afford decent infrastructures even if they were rich.

You should check the Mongolian border cities in Google Earth, Mongolia is another poor and huge country with a very, very low demographic density. Manzhouli is a good example, from a 3x3 highway in the Chinese side to just a dust path in Mongolia only a couple of km away from the Chinese border. Too bad outer Mongolia became a buffer state, now it looks poorer than the poorest Chinese province. But at least Mongolia is flat, Tibet is an endless mountain sea.
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Old October 8th, 2010, 01:40 AM   #3509
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You should check the Mongolian border cities in Google Earth, Mongolia is another poor and huge country with a very, very low demographic density. Manzhouli is a good example, from a 3x3 highway in the Chinese side to just a dust path in Mongolia only a couple of km away from the Chinese border.
It is Russia across the border in Manzhouli. I believe it was your geographic teacher's fault.
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Old October 8th, 2010, 02:24 AM   #3510
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Wrong city, lol! I was thinking about Erenhot. The Russian side at Manzhouli looks pretty nice.
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Old October 8th, 2010, 02:30 AM   #3511
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I have been to Tibet for five times in the past few years. Last time I traveled from Lhasa to Shigatse, it took me SEVEN HOURS in a bus, only for a just-over-200-kilometer distance. You can't understand Tibetan people's need and the difficulty of life unless you have been there, and been there with respect. Photos: http://www.yaohua2000.org/2010/20100911/5.html
read your travel log, wow, what a collection of pictures. the trip must be exhausting but very interesting.
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Old October 8th, 2010, 03:36 AM   #3512
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Why did you take that trip? Seems like you wanted to explore everything you could possibly do with China's rail system.
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Old October 8th, 2010, 07:30 AM   #3513
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This is from China Economic Review.
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China is building its first high-speed railway training school in Wuhan, capital of Hubei province.
The training base, which covers a total area of 210,000 square meters, will be completed within a year. China invested RMB3 billion (US$450 million) in the facility.
Initially the base will handle the training of 13,000 people a year but this should grow to 24,000 by 2020. Training will focus on 20 positions, including driver, engineer and controller.
The base will also be a center to carry out research and development in order to display China's scientific and technological achievements.
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Old October 9th, 2010, 08:12 AM   #3514
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Main stations of Chinese HSR System

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Station               Platforms  Departure    Subway   floor          open
                                  tracks       lines    area          date
Harbin West               10         18          1    70,000 sq.m     2012
Changchun West            5           9          2    60,000 sq.m     2011
Shenyang South            12         22          2   100,000 sq.m     2013
Dalian North              10         20          3    68,500 sq.m     2011
Tianjin West              13         24          3   104,500 sq.m     2011
Beijing South             13         24          2   226,444 sq.m     2008
Shijiahzuang South        13         24          2   107,059 sq.m     2011
Taiyuan South             10         22          3    56,000 sq.m     2010
Jinan West                 8         14          2   100,000 sq.m     2011
Qingdao  North             6         10          1    54,000 sq.m     2012
Zhengzhou East            15         28          2   114,602 sq.m     2012
Xi'an North               18         34          1   378,425 sq.m     2011
Wuhan                     11         20          2   114,600 sq.m     2009
Nanjing South             14         28          4   281,500 sq.m     2011
Shanghai Hongqiao         16         30          5   221,903 sq.m     2010
Hefei South               12         22          3   100,000 sq.m     2012
Hangzhou East             14         26          2   156,000 sq.m     2012
Bengbu South               7         13          1    20,000 sq.m     2012
Xuzhou East                6         11          1    14,894 sq.m     2012
Ningbo                     8         14          2    62,934 sq.m     2012
Wenzhou South              4         10          2    71,209 sq.m     2012
Fuzhou South               7         12          1    92,473 sq.m     2010
Xiamen North               5         10          1   110,000 sq.m     2010
Shenzhen North            11         20          3   181,000 sq.m     2011
Guangzhou South           15         28          4   179,300 sq.m     2010
Nanchang West             12         22          2   114,508 sq.m     2011
Changsha South             8         16          1   199,000 sq.m     2010
Nanning East              12         22          2   120,000 sq.m     2012
Guiyang North             15         28          2   100,000 sq.m     2015
Kunming South             15         30          1    80,000 sq.m     2015
New Chongqing             14         26          1   120,000 sq.m     2012
Chengdu East              14         26          2   108,000 sq.m     2012
Lanzhou West              13         25          1   160,000 sq.m     2012
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Hey, greenlion!

Where did you get the data? I highly suspect its accuracy after looking at GoogleEarth bird's view.

My count may not be exact. But the number of platforms and size of Guangzhou South, Beijing South, Shanghai Hongqiao, and Wuhan are clearly more and bigger than Xi' An North.

Xi'An North



Guangzhou South



Beijing South



Shanghai Hongqiao


Wuhan

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Old October 9th, 2010, 10:48 AM   #3515
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China Economic Review is a UK magazine for your information, it's an independent magazine, and has no tie with Chinese government. haha just joking.
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Old October 9th, 2010, 11:36 PM   #3516
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Xi'an north station is far from complete though, they might put more rail lines on the top or bottom before it's done
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Great post wharton2010, very informative. That is an interesting discrepancy. I was always suspicious of the massive Xi'an north station since it is no where near China's biggest city, or in the center of the country. Its location did not justify its size. I would like some more clarification on this.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 01:39 AM   #3518
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Photos do not lie Unless there is a huge underground station Xi'an cannot be the largest one.

As a side note, my favorite among these new monumental stations is Guangzhou South. It looks incredible since it is elevated and its top cover has an organic feeling.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 01:53 AM   #3519
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Ironic how the least assuming station out of the ones shown in the pictures happens to be by far the largest one by a wide margin. Also IMO the most elegant and classy. The pictures are a bit misleading since they are individually zoomed in so that they are somewhat the same size. What would be interesting is to see them compared to scale, which would really accentuate how much more massive Hongqiao is than the others.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 07:31 AM   #3520
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Rumor: CRH test car for speed over 500kph.

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