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Old November 10th, 2010, 07:19 PM   #3781
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Funny thing is, both explosions in rail road construction are largely done by Chinese labor.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 08:01 PM   #3782
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Beijing reviews high-speed rail plans
By Jamil Anderlini in Beijing

Published: November 7 2010 19:56 | Last updated: November 7 2010 19:56

China’s Ministry of Railways is conducting a review of the country’s ambitious high-speed rail proposals after an influential state-backed think-tank raised questions about the affordability and practicality of the planned network.
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The review – and possible scaling back – comes as provincial officials appear to have caught bullet train fever.
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Ministry of Railways: The Financial Times report is false.


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针对近日英国媒体抛出的“中科院专家表示高铁建设不实用,中国可能负担不了”的言论,记者采访了铁道部工程管理中心工程部高级工程师廖云奇,他说,国外的说法是虚假的。

In response to the recent British report on 'an influential state-backed think-tank raised questions about the affordability and practicality of the planned network', Yunqi Liao, senior engineer at the Engineering Department of Engineering Management Center of MOR, said in an interview that the foreign report was false.

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今天上午,铁道部新闻发言人王勇平表示,中国铁路现代化按照既定目标正健康有序推进,《中长期铁路网规划》目标一定会实现。

王勇平是就“外国媒体报道中国铁道部可能缩减兴建高铁计划规模一事”做出上述表示的。

MOR spokesman Yongping Wang said this morning that modernization of China's rail system is being carried on in a healthy and orderly way according to plans, and the Mid & Long-term Railway Network Plan will definitely be accomplished.

Yongping Wang made those comments in response to the foreign report on 'possible scaling back of Chinese HSR construction'.
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Old November 10th, 2010, 11:44 PM   #3783
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FT is shameless
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Old November 11th, 2010, 12:31 AM   #3784
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Oh dear what a fail by FT... on the other hand, who could deny that someone hasn't made a few (dozens) of millions of $ due to the fallen share price after the FT's "news" about that "report"? Well done.
That's how the media works and that's how some are making millions out of nothing.
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Old November 11th, 2010, 01:04 AM   #3785
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BEIJING - China will set up an 85,000-km national freeway network and a 40,000-km high-speed railway network during the 12th Five-Year Plan (2011-2015), said a leading official from the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC). The freeway network will cover all cities with a population of at least 200,000(ADB).
I hope that China will base his grown on railways ( people ( conmuters ans HSL ) and freight ) and no in freeways that tends to promote unsustainable way on transport, its a key question for the future. China used to have a huge quantinty of people moving by bicycle, that´s the image we had of China now cities has been transformed and not alway for better we can see now more freeways as barriers that tends to get saturated more quick than we can think, wasted money,
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Old November 11th, 2010, 01:26 PM   #3786
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Ministry of Railways: The Financial Times report is false.


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Hehe, true PR answering a different question to that which was asked, the FT report wasnt about the national rail building program but the local stimulus based ones.
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Old November 11th, 2010, 03:43 PM   #3787
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'true PR answering'? the FT report claimed that MOR was reviewing their network plan, which would lead to possible scaling back. Now official responses from MOR said both were not true, as MOR will continue carrying out the existing plan. That is clarification of false reporting, not answering questions.

Also I didn't see that FT report was about the local stimulus based ones. If anything, it was the report that linked the local stimulus fund to the Chinese national HSR network in the first place. Why would they use Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR as an example (failed example anyway) if they were talking about local stimulus based ones?(and no railway will be completely locally funded since MOR always invests partially) They could have done a valid news report if they had focused on the so called Academic of Science report, but they spent more effort on making false claims without verification. They succeeded in a way because the claims had caught many eyeballs in China. And see the Bloomberg news about the damage of this false report to the CSR stock price:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...ail-plans.html

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China Trainmaker CSR Falls on Report China Reviewing High-Speed Rail Plans
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CSR Corp., a Beijing-based railcar maker, fell the most in more than 14 months in Hong Kong trading after the Financial Times reported that China was reviewing plans to expand its high-speed rail network.

The shares dropped 6.6 percent, the biggest decline since Aug. 17, 2009, to HK$9.02 at the 4 p.m. close in Hong Kong.

China’s Ministry of Railways is reviewing high-speed rail proposals after a report by the Chinese Academy of Sciences to the State Council raised questions about their practicality and affordability, the Financial Times said, citing unidentified people familiar with the matter. China’s Premier Wen Jiabao has seen the report and asked for further talks on the project, according to the report.

The rail ministry declined to comment by phone today.

China, the world’s fastest-growing major economy, said in July it needed about 800 billion yuan ($120 billion) to complete high-speed rail projects as the country invests in train services to pare pollution and travel times.

The country plans to increase high-speed railroads to 13,000 kilometers (8,000 miles) by the end of 2012 and to 18,000 kilometers by 2020 from the current 3,676 kilometers, according to Citigroup Inc. analyst Zhen Ni.

A 1,318-kilometer rapid railroad linking Beijing and Shanghai, due to open in 2012, will cut journey times to about four hours from 10 hours, according to the rail ministry.

--Ying Tian in Beijing. Editors: Dave McCombs, Terje Langeland.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 12:39 AM   #3788
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Remember how the newspaper of record, the New York Times, helped lie about WMDs in Iraq? They make up sh*t! That's a fact.

Just look at how they keep complaining how China is not transparent yet they seem to know everything happening in China. What does that mean? They make up sh*t all the time! It's not someone is going to go fact check. Look at the New York Times scandals where writers completely made up stories and all it would've taken to confirm was a little fact checking and the editors didn't even bother. And those were stories at home. You think they would care if their writers made up crap about countries half way around the world?
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Old November 12th, 2010, 03:12 AM   #3789
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Every single year since 2001 FT and NYT lied saying that China was about to overheat its economy, and that next year GDP growth would be lower.

Those false statements were intentioned.

New Nobel Prize is intentioned.

I'm not even chinese but I'm tired of occidental newspapers lying about China, Irak, Russia.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 04:42 AM   #3790
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Luli Pop!
Everything you said is stink. I don't want to see your comment agian, idiot!!
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Old November 12th, 2010, 06:21 AM   #3791
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Luli Pop!
Everything you said is stink. I don't want to see your comment agian, idiot!!


troll warning...
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Old November 12th, 2010, 10:44 AM   #3792
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Luli Pop!
Everything you said is .... I don't want to see your comment agian, idiot!!
Luli Pop is nice and wonderful posters who is showing the true color of (90% of the pro Anglo Saxon media).

We all enjoy Luli Pop postings.

There is no denying the fact that many, many (pro American+ese) Anglo Saxon are trembling and
extremely jealous at the prospect of Peaceful Rising China, thus many, many (pro American+ese) Anglo Saxon
are bending over backward to create malicious manipulation and outright lies when it comes to
all good things in China.

They always show up with the back door evil hope of sabotaging China amazing progress.

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Those who attack Luli Pop --- could very well be an UNEMPLOYED Joe Blow
from US or UK who is living off on a welfare line.

Stop being a lower life parasite, and get to work as a general laborer.

I am not sure if "Watchernada" is also on the same category as the above ??

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Now back to the thread INVIGORATING topic of "China Railway Development News"
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Old November 12th, 2010, 01:14 PM   #3793
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What about getting back on topic? Chinese railway developments are fascinating, infantile rantings are not.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 01:50 PM   #3794
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And see the Bloomberg news about the damage of this false report to the CSR stock price:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...ail-plans.html
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The country plans to increase high-speed railroads to 13,000 kilometers (8,000 miles) by the end of 2012 and to 18,000 kilometers by 2020 from the current 3,676 kilometers, according to Citigroup Inc. analyst Zhen Ni.

A 1,318-kilometer rapid railroad linking Beijing and Shanghai, due to open in 2012, will cut journey times to about four hours from 10 hours, according to the rail ministry.
Is Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway due to open in 2012 or in 2011?
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Old November 12th, 2010, 03:10 PM   #3795
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Luli Pop is nice and wonderful posters who is showing the true color of (90% of the pro Anglo Saxon media).

We all enjoy Luli Pop postings.

There is no denying the fact that many, many (pro American+ese) Anglo Saxon are trembling and
extremely jealous at the prospect of Peaceful Rising China, thus many, many (pro American+ese) Anglo Saxon
are bending over backward to create malicious manipulation and outright lies when it comes to
all good things in China.

They always show up with the back door evil hope of sabotaging China amazing progress.

-------------------------------------------------------

Those who attack Luli Pop --- could very well be an UNEMPLOYED Joe Blow
from US or UK who is living off on a welfare line.

Stop being a lower life parasite, and get to work as a general laborer.

I am not sure if "Watchernada" is also on the same category as the above ??

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Now back to the thread INVIGORATING topic of "China Railway Development News"
Why doesn't anything ever happen to this troll? He offers up baseless stuff and insults without proof with the sole purpose of trying to start a flame war.
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Old November 12th, 2010, 05:57 PM   #3796
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Is Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway due to open in 2012 or in 2011?
I am not sure if this was posted already, but apparently a recent news piece reported that the Beijing-Shanghai HSR construction was ahead of schedule. So it is originally scheduled to open in 2012, but will possibly open in 2011.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90...2/7193403.html

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Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway may open next October
15:12, November 09, 2010

Track construction for the Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway in Jiangsu Province and Shanghai has been finished ahead of schedule, drastically shortening the planned construction time, which means it is possible for the high-speed railway to open by the National Day on Oct. 1, 2011, according to sources from the Ministry of Transportation.

The construction of the 1,318-kilometer-long Beijing-Shanghai high-Speed railway began in March 2008. The railway adopts ballast-less tracks that are already used on the Shanghai-Nanjiing Intercity Railway. The 500-meter-long tracks are welded together so there will be no gaps on the 1,318-kilometer-long track. This guarantees a smooth and comfortable ride for passengers.

After open to traffic, a ride from Beijing to Shanghai will take just four hours, 10 hours less than the current time. It will transport more than 80 million passengers on the one-way railway one year.

The high-speed Railway is compatible with the 200-kilometer-long existing railway, which allows trains running at 200 kilometers per hour or above use the high-speed railway too.
  
Sources said a new-generation bullet train that will travel up to 380 kilometers per hour is now under development for the high-speed rail link.

The high-speed railway between China's two most important metropolises is part of China's ambitious high-speed railway program. Ministry of Railways Vice-Minister Wang Zhiguo said China will complete an 110,000-kilometer railway network by 2012, including 13,000 kilometers of high-speed rail.

Ultimately, China plans to construct a 120,000-kilometer railway network, including 50,000-kilometers of high-speed rail track, by 2020.

By People's Daily Online

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Track construction for the Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway in Jiangsu Province and Shanghai has been finished ahead of schedule...The railway adopts ballast-less tracks that are already used on the Shanghai-Nanjiing Intercity Railway.
My understanding is that they probably share the same track and concrete bed manufacturing and laying facilities set up for the Shanghai-Nanjing ICL, so they didn't have to start from scratch. This may have greatly sped up the track-laying procedure.
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Old November 13th, 2010, 12:34 AM   #3797
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Why doesn't anything ever happen to this troll? He offers up baseless stuff and insults without proof with the sole purpose of trying to start a flame war.
Baseless stuff? Have you looked in the mirror?
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Old November 13th, 2010, 12:59 AM   #3798
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Baseless stuff? Have you looked in the mirror?
Please take white knighting to pms.
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Old November 13th, 2010, 01:06 AM   #3799
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Every new news is a new and contradictory plan:

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HSR lines that planned to open before 2012
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-1...ail-plans.html
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A 1,318-kilometer rapid railroad linking Beijing and Shanghai, due to open in 2012,
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90...2/7193403.html
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Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway may open next October
15:12, November 09, 2010

Track construction for the Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway in Jiangsu Province and Shanghai has been finished ahead of schedule, drastically shortening the planned construction time, which means it is possible for the high-speed railway to open by the National Day on Oct. 1, 2011, according to sources from the Ministry of Transportation.
...this last story is actually 2 contradictory dates: "next October" means after 1st of October, while "by the National Day" means before 1st of October, in september.

Which month is planned, then? June 2011, September 2011, October 2011, sometime in 2012?
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