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Old November 14th, 2010, 11:06 PM   #3821
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They can easily finish it within 7 months, it's the China speed you know (Beijing South looked very incomplete just weeks before it opened), plus not all stations have to be complete by the time the line opens
I do, yet Tianjin new metro lines (2 & 3) were supposed to be open in 2007, now they say in 2011 and 2012 respectively... How would you call this speed, you know, we are still in China... Tianjin West is quite far from completion as it was couple weeks ago...
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Old November 15th, 2010, 05:22 AM   #3822
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Track-laying on Beijing–Shanghai High-Speed Rail completed on November 15

http://news.xinhuanet.com/fortune/20...c_12775491.htm





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新华网快讯:15日9时10分,随着铁道部部长刘跨越和京沪高铁施工单位职工代表在安徽蚌埠南站一起拧紧全线正线最后一根钢轨的扣件螺栓,标志着京沪高铁全线铺通。
At 9:10am on November 15, Liu Kuayue, the Minister of Railway, together with workers' representatives, tightened the last bolt of Beijing–Shanghai High-Speed Railway, near Bengbu South Station.

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Old November 15th, 2010, 05:45 AM   #3823
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Look at that nice bridge.. Good job.. 6 months testing/fine tuning and then Beijing-Shanghai 4hrs.
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Old November 15th, 2010, 06:27 AM   #3824
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At 9:10am on November 15, Liu Kuayue, the Minister of Railway, together with workers' representatives, tightened the last bolt of Beijing–Shanghai High-Speed Railway, near Bengbu South Station.
It is pretty funny to nickname the Minister ‘Liu Kuayue’, but it might be confusing to others when you changed his real name to that in the quoted news.
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Old November 15th, 2010, 07:38 AM   #3825
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Look at that nice bridge.. Good job.. 6 months testing/fine tuning and then Beijing-Shanghai 4hrs.
at what time will the earliest train leave?
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Old November 15th, 2010, 09:14 AM   #3826
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11.15 Beijing-Shanghai express rail - last rail laid













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Old November 15th, 2010, 11:51 AM   #3827
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Network length

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Ministry of Railways Vice-Minister Wang Zhiguo said China will complete an 110,000-kilometer railway network by 2012, including 13,000 kilometers of high-speed rail.

Ultimately, China plans to construct a 120,000-kilometer railway network, including 50,000-kilometers of high-speed rail track, by 2020.
So, China shall have 97 000 km slow railways by 2012 and 70 000 km slow railways by 2020.

Does this mean that China shall close 27 000 km railways in 8 years?
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Old November 15th, 2010, 12:25 PM   #3828
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Impossible, the interstates are not designed with enough curve radius for the HSR lines to run along them, you need 5 miles curv radius for 250 miles/hour trains.
More like 2.5 miles. 6km curve radius is 350km/h for China and its similar elsewhere. But still, generally an interstate has tighter curves than 2.5 miles.
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Old November 15th, 2010, 01:27 PM   #3829
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Which rolling stock is planned for use on the line? Zefiro 380?
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Old November 15th, 2010, 05:41 PM   #3830
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CRH380A, the one with 16 cars. World speed record holder for commercial (unmodified) trains.
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Old November 15th, 2010, 05:44 PM   #3831
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So, China shall have 97 000 km slow railways by 2012 and 70 000 km slow railways by 2020.

Does this mean that China shall close 27 000 km railways in 8 years?
I guess some slow lines will be upgraded. As far as I know lines that are designed for 160km/h and more defined as high speed rail.
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Old November 15th, 2010, 06:43 PM   #3832
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it's 250km/h
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Old November 15th, 2010, 06:52 PM   #3833
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I do, yet Tianjin new metro lines (2 & 3) were supposed to be open in 2007, now they say in 2011 and 2012 respectively... How would you call this speed, you know, we are still in China... Tianjin West is quite far from completion as it was couple weeks ago...
Its overseen by the Ministry of Railways, not the local government, so I have more faith in their ability to finish on time. A few months ago they were just barely putting up the dome, now the entire dome is finished, and only needs the cladding and side buildings to be completed.
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Old November 16th, 2010, 07:14 AM   #3834
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China completes laying of tracks for world's longest high-speed rail line

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Graphic shows China's Beijing-Shanghai high speed railway line completed track laying on Nov. 15, 2010. (Xinhua/Zhang Liyun)

BEIJING, Nov. 15 (Xinhua) -- The laying of tracks for the high-speed railway connecting Beijing and Shanghai, China's two most important cities, was completed Monday morning, in the latest milestone in the construction of the world's longest high-speed railway. The 1,318-kilometer-long line will link Beijing, the Chinese capital in the north of the nation, and Shanghai, the country's eastern economic hub. Construction on the 220.9 billion yuan (33.3 billion U.S. dollars) project started in April 2008. The line is scheduled to open in 2012. Once completed, train travel time between the two cities will be slashed to about four hours from the current 10 hours. The line will link China's two important economic zones - the Pan-Bohai Bay area in north China and the Yangtze River Delta region - by passing through some of China's richest and fast-developing provincial-level regions - Tianjin, Shandong and Jiangsu.

China launched its first high-speed line - a service linking the capital and the port city of Tianjin - at the time of the Beijing Olympics in 2008. Since then, more fast-train lines have been put into service: the Wuhan-Guangzhou line linking central and south China; the Zhengzhou-Xi'an line connecting central and western China; and the Shanghai-Nanjing line in the country's east. Last month, a 202-km high-speed line linking Shanghai and Hangzhou, capital of east China's Zhejiang Province, came into operation, extending the nation's in-service high-speed rail network to 7,431 kilometers. The Shanghai-Hangzhou line stunned the world with one train's record speed of 416.6 kilometers per hour while on a trial run.

China aims to make its high speed rail network the world's longest to boost economic growth. According to the Ministry of Commerce, China will have a rail network of 110,000 km by 2012, with 13,000 km of it high-speed rail. He Huawu, chief engineer of the Ministry of Railways, said high speed railway transportation would boost China's economic restructuring with its fast speed, large carrying capacities, convenience, and environmentally friendly nature. Zhen Feng, a professor at Nanjing University, said the advancement of transportation always results in economic development, improved division of labor, and a more balanced development between regions.

Still, the rapid expansion of the nation's railway network has met with some opposition. According to a report from the China Academy of Science (CAS), one of the country's top think tanks, the loans that have supported the rapid expansion of rail may not be sustainable. Besides, the acceleration in infrastructure investment after the launch of the stimulus package has caused disconnections between transport services across the country, leaving highways, subways, train stations and airports not properly connected, it said. The report, submitted to the State Council, China's cabinet, urged authorities to reconsider whether the government should make such massive investments in infrastructure, especially in high-speed rail.

Chinese authorities announced a 4 trillion yuan economic stimulus package in November 2008 to combat the global financial crisis. A large part of the package was for infrastructure construction.
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Old November 16th, 2010, 09:12 AM   #3835
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from today's news, the Shanghai-Beijing High Speed has confirmed to open on Oct 1 2011, 1+ years ahead of schedule.
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Old November 16th, 2010, 01:40 PM   #3836
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HSR lines that planned to open before 2012


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16. Hainan ER ICL     2010/11/30         308.1 km    250km/h   now testing 
17. Changji ICL       2011/February      108.16 km   250km/h   now testing
18. Guangshen PDL     2011/Apr or May    116 km      350km/h
19. Jinqin PDL        2011/June          257 km      350km/h
Roughly 789 km combined
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20. Jinghu PDL        2011/June         1318 km      350km/h
Now delayed to October
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from today's news, the Shanghai-Beijing High Speed has confirmed to open on Oct 1 2011, 1+ years ahead of schedule.
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21. Jingshi PDL       2011/December      281 km      350km/h
22. Shiwu PDL         2011/December      840 km      350km/h
Roughly 1121 km combined for Beijing-Wuhan
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23. Hebeng PDL        2011/December      130 km      250km/h
24. Hada PDL          2011/December      902 km      350km/h
25. Xiashen PDL       2011/December      550 km      250km/h
26. Hangyong PDL      2011/December      149 km      350km/h
27. Ninghang PDL      2011/December      249 km      350km/h
I get a total of 3101 km to open in December 2011, and a grand total of 5208 km to open by end of December. The last digit is approximate because of accumulated rounding errors. And since:
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Last month, a 202-km high-speed line linking Shanghai and Hangzhou, capital of east China's Zhejiang Province, came into operation, extending the nation's in-service high-speed rail network to 7,431 kilometers.
the total as of December 2011 shall be 12 639 km.
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According to the Ministry of Commerce, China will have a rail network of 110,000 km by 2012, with 13,000 km of it high-speed rail.
Are the missing 361 km all that shall be built in year 2012, or some unlisted lines that shall be built in 2011?
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Old November 16th, 2010, 03:03 PM   #3837
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More like 2.5 miles. 6km curve radius is 350km/h for China and its similar elsewhere. But still, generally an interstate has tighter curves than 2.5 miles.
Industrial standard for 350 km/h railways is minimum 7000 meter curve radius or 4,5 miles. Anything less will restrict the operating speed.
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Old November 16th, 2010, 06:03 PM   #3838
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Mr Zheng obviously lives in a plastic bubble in the land of pink elephants

To even compare railway construction in China where de government simply bulldoze anything in the path of the railway and force evacuate anyone that resist or simply make them disappear

In the US of A, just the cost of expropriating the land needed between New York and Chicago would deem the project uneconomical, then of cause there are the 15 to 20 years of legal battles the state need to win even before starting any construction.

And forget about building hundreds of kilometers of ugly concrete bridges that destroy the landscape, environmentalists would go postal over such a project. Not to mention the noise pollution laws which would kill any effort to run the trains at speeds high enough to complete the trip in 4 hour.

i LOVE this post. well, i don't really love it, but it's just too ironic.

in the US of A, various vested interests OPPOSED to the building of railways (i.e. airlines, airplane manufacturers, the auto industry, the fossil fuel industry, the vast majority of the sprawl developers, etc.) will seek to squelch this project. these vested interests are politically powerful and make a point of steamrolling their token granola crunching opponents to build their own projects.

ugly concrete bridges destroying the landscape? what about thousands of miles of interstates and a bigger, more intrusive, ever expanding urban footprint? yet railway tracks suddenly light a fire under environmentalists? and you bother to repeat such a facile argument?
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Old November 17th, 2010, 12:05 AM   #3839
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Which rolling stock is planned for use on the line? Zefiro 380?
Internal documents say all the CRH380A currently running on the Hu-Hang line will be transferred to the Jing-Hu line when it opens. CRH380Bs are also likely to be used.

As for Zefiro, no one knows. It's not even certain it will be service ready by the time Jing-Hu line opens.
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Old November 17th, 2010, 05:29 AM   #3840
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And forget about building hundreds of kilometers of ugly concrete bridges that destroy the landscape, environmentalists would go postal over such a project. Not to mention the noise pollution laws which would kill any effort to run the trains at speeds high enough to complete the trip in 4 hour.
The railway on viaduct saves 50-60% of land compared with the ground based railway, eliminates level-crosses, reduces the risk of accidents, lets the animal pass through the railway freely, lets the trains run more smoothly, and finally it looks gorgeous.
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