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Old December 6th, 2010, 08:10 AM   #4061
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operation speed is designed to be the same as the 380A, so my guess is that top speed a unmodified train set will be similar, seeing as how weight and power on both designs are fairly similar. I guess we'll have to wait till 2012 to see.
well, rumor said 380BL achieved slower max speed than 380AL did in the late November tests.
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But is it just me or dose it look like the Chinese MOR is pulling the same crap as Usain Bolt, holding back a little every time just so they can make a new record a few months later.
it probably is not what you suspect. The higher standard of Beijing-Shanghai Line contributed a lot to the improved results. Basically MOR has always been using the best train on the best available line to set an official record.
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Old December 7th, 2010, 01:34 AM   #4062
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Anyone have pictures from Modern Railways 2010?
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Old December 7th, 2010, 06:28 AM   #4063
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Old December 7th, 2010, 08:03 AM   #4064
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Even as model kits, these trains look awesome. I love high speed trains. The one on the right, is it a new design or upgrade of 380B?
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Old December 7th, 2010, 08:46 AM   #4065
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Even as model kits, these trains look awesome. I love high speed trains. The one on the right, is it a new design or upgrade of 380B?
well, there are different type of rumors about this design, some says it is CIT400, some says it is 8 car version CRH380B, some says it is a new series CRH380D that planned to be used in plateau region
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Old December 7th, 2010, 10:24 AM   #4066
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Crazy, total crazy, 600km/h next year...... announced by CSR official at world congress of HSR

Chinese news

http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2010-12-07/124521595947.shtml

English News

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english201...c_13638760.htm

watch out, Alstom......

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Old December 7th, 2010, 11:04 AM   #4067
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Construction work of Golmud–Korla railway set to begin in the second half of 2011

http://www.chinanews.com.cn/cj/2010/12-06/2702096.shtml

Geku Railway
• Golmud to Korla
• Construction to begin in the second half of 2011
• Set to open in the first half of 2016
• Length: 1182.487 km
• 501.497 km in Qinghai; 680.990 km in Xinjiang
• Investment: CN¥36.728 billion (estimated)
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Old December 7th, 2010, 02:40 PM   #4068
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how fast will it be?
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Old December 7th, 2010, 10:39 PM   #4069
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So Philippe Mellier's stupid call is gone with the wind?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...629cb82c86.301
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Alstom, Bombardier sign rail agreements with China

(AFP) – 9 hours ago

BEIJING — Alstom and Bombardier on Tuesday signed agreements with China's railways ministry to speed up development of rail transport in the vast country and also in overseas markets, the companies said.

French engineering group Alstom said it had signed a "long-term cooperation agreement" with the ministry to develop inter-city and high-speed trains as well as signalling equipment for China and "defined international markets".

"China is a strategic market for our transport activities, due to its size and its high growth potential," Alstom chief executive Patrick Kron said in a statement.

Separately, Bombardier also signed a memorandum of understanding with the ministry to step up development of "various products and systems" in high-speed rail for the Chinese and overseas markets.

The agreements are not binding. However China is rapidly expanding and upgrading its railway network amid increased pressures on its transportation system.

Railways Minister Liu Zhijun said Tuesday that the country had the world's longest high-speed network, at 7,531 kilometres (4,670 miles), state media reported.

The railway authority said in July that China would spend about 120 billion dollars to nearly double the country's high-speed rail network by 2012.

China has been accused of wanting to close its rail industry to foreign manufacturers and of profiting from stealing their technology -- charges it has denied.

Alstom Transport chief executive Philippe Mellier last year reportedly called for a boycott of Chinese-made trains, claiming the country blocked bids from foreign manufacturers.

"The (Chinese) market is gradually shutting down to let the Chinese companies prosper," Mellier said in an interview with the Financial Times.


"We're starting to see Chinese companies answering tenders around the world with Chinese freight locomotives, some of them being based on transferred technology."
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Alstom, Chinese Partners May Jointly Bid on U.S. Rail Contracts, CEO Says
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Alstom SA may bid with Chinese partners for high-speed rail contracts in the U.S., Brazil and Argentina under an agreement to boost cooperation, according to Patrick Kron, chief executive officer of the French trainmaker.

“We have a two-prong approach, both to cooperate on the Chinese market where there are massive needs, and on export markets,” Kron said today in a telephone interview from Beijing. Joint bids in the Americas are “among the things we will study,” he said.

Alstom signed a long-term cooperation agreement with China’s Railway Ministry to develop infrastructure in the country and elsewhere, the Levallois-Perret, France-based company said today in a statement. Alstom and Chinese companies “will accelerate new areas of the cooperation on a wide spectrum,” including intercity rolling stock, high-speed trains, locomotives and signaling, it said.

The French manufacturer, the world’s second-largest trainmaker by revenue, is trying to grow in China, the world’s biggest market for rail infrastructure, as budget constraints may hurt sales in Europe. Orders at its transport unit fell 16 percent in the six months through September from a year earlier.

Alstom and Chinese companies including China CNR Corp. will discuss partnerships and investments, and see which markets they can target together, Kron said. The talks could translate into “tangible projects” within three months, he said.

Design, Efficiency

“We could co-design” high-speed trains and other equipment “to provide more efficient offers,” the Alstom CEO said. “This framework agreement is the opportunity to create a real step-change in our business in China.”

Alstom, which is also the world’s third-largest maker of power equipment and power-transmission gear, rose 4.5 percent to 34.09 euros in Paris trading today. That pared the stock’s drop this year to 31 percent, valuing the manufacturer at 10 billion euros ($13.3 billion).

The French company’s expansion outside its home country includes teaming up with Russian railway-equipment maker Transmashholding to tap markets in the former Soviet Union.

Both Alstom, whose products include France’s high-speed TGV train models, and the Chinese ministry have separately expressed interest in the past three years in a railway project to link Los Angeles and San Francisco.

Alstom has held off from some Chinese orders because it has refused to transfer bullet-train technology to Chinese manufacturers. Contracts won by competitors include a $4 billion order for 80 high-speed trains awarded in September 2009 to Montreal-based Bombardier Inc. and a 750 million-euro, 100-train purchase from Siemens AG.

Alstom is the second-largest maker of rolling stock by sales after Munich-based Siemens, according to Bloomberg data.
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Old December 7th, 2010, 10:56 PM   #4070
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Did Philippe Mellier get replaced?
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Old December 7th, 2010, 11:39 PM   #4071
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Did Philippe Mellier get replaced?
Nope.
http://www.alstom.com/about/corporat...lippe-Mellier/
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Old December 8th, 2010, 12:10 AM   #4072
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how fast will it be?
My guess would be standard main line speed, 160kph max.
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Old December 8th, 2010, 03:55 AM   #4073
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well i guess its an alternate route from Lanzhou to Wulumuqi, redundancy is always useful
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Old December 8th, 2010, 07:57 AM   #4074
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Old December 8th, 2010, 12:21 PM   #4075
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operation speed is designed to be the same as the 380A, so my guess is that top speed a unmodified train set will be similar, seeing as how weight and power on both designs are fairly similar. I guess we'll have to wait till 2012 to see.

But is it just me or dose it look like the Chinese MOR is pulling the same crap as Usain Bolt, holding back a little every time just so they can make a new record a few months later.
Increasing little by litle is only due to adquire a sustained confidence in the hardware as they push forward ...
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depends. The CRH380BL is not any faster than the 380AL. It infact may actually be alittle bit slower.

Keep in mind that these trains are designed for 380.
What is their difference in such things as:

Power output of the transformers
Power output of the traction motors
Gear ratio on the transmissions
Wheel diameter
and so on ...


the maximum speed is just a matter of matematical/numerical specifications and phisical abilities of the hardware in question.

If a given power suply feeds a traction motor with certain capabilities who pushes a wheel of certain diameter at a given rpm ... then we gfet a definitive speed ... nothing more and nothing less.
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Old December 8th, 2010, 02:48 PM   #4076
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If a given power suply feeds a traction motor with certain capabilities who pushes a wheel of certain diameter at a given rpm ... then we gfet a definitive speed ... nothing more and nothing less.
Really nothing more? Are you sure??



1) What about the problem of HUNTING on the HST Bogie Wheels during high speed travel?


FACTS:

:: The higher the speed (even by just a 5 km/h extra) will cause severe Hunting problem which may derail the train. As of now, CRH380AL -- 16 Cars Set has achieved (Operating Speed = 486+ km/h), which is equal to the extra (66+ km/h) from the nearest competition.

:: By next year around 2011 APR, China CSR Sifang will introduce an improved version of CRH380AL -- 16 Cars Set where it will run at (Operating Speed = 550+ km/h).


2) One of the major question is -- When can the other manufacturers quickly solve the severe Hunting problem on the Bogie Wheels ( & other technical barriers), thus they can compete with CSR Sifang?



I personally hope to see some fierce Top Operating Speed competitions from other nations to compete with China as soon as possible. This absolutely will be awesome to watch.
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Old December 8th, 2010, 05:24 PM   #4077
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National Rail Network (2010-12-08)



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Update since November 17:
• Added Yaan–Ganluo Railway
• Corrected Quning Railway (Quzhou–Nanping–Ningde)
• Status update for Baoxi Railway (Baotou–Xi'an)
• Added Huoshigang–Panjin Railway
• Dongping Railway opened
• Corrected Changliu Railway (Changsha–Liuyang)
• Tiance Railway opened (Tian'ehuWest–Ceke)
• Corrected Lince Railway (Linhe–Ceke)
• Added Hainan West Ring Railway
• Renovation of Sanhui–Nanchuan Railway
• Added Lanzhou–Chongchuan Airport Intercity Railway
• Added Hunchun–Dongning Railway
• Corrected Jingshen HSR (Beijing–Shenyang)'s route and stations
• Added Tongyu Railway (Tongren–Yuping)
• Double track upgrade for the Fuling–Huaihua section of Yuhuai Railway
• Added Jingshen HSR's connecting line with Tongliao and Chifeng

Legend:
• Green: Planned (long-term plan)
• Yellow: Construction to start soon (in one or two years)
• Red: In construction
• Brown: Completed, yet to open
• Blue: Recently opened
• Black: Existing lines
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Old December 8th, 2010, 05:58 PM   #4078
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Update since November 17:
• Added Yaan–Ganluo Railway
• Corrected Quning Railway (Quzhou–Nanping–Ningde)
• Status update for Baoxi Railway (Baotou–Xi'an)
• Added Huoshigang–Panjin Railway
• Dongping Railway opened
• Corrected Changliu Railway (Changsha–Liuyang)
• Tiance Railway opened (Tian'ehuWest–Ceke)
• Corrected Lince Railway (Linhe–Ceke)
• Added Hainan West Ring Railway
• Renovation of Sanhui–Nanchuan Railway
• Added Lanzhou–Chongchuan Airport Intercity Railway
• Added Hunchun–Dongning Railway
• Corrected Jingshen HSR (Beijing–Shenyang)'s route and stations
• Added Tongyu Railway (Tongren–Yuping)
• Double track upgrade for the Fuling–Huaihua section of Yuhuai Railway
• Added Jingshen HSR's connecting line with Tongliao and Chifeng

Legend:
• Green: Planned (long-term plan)
• Yellow: Construction to start soon (in one or two years)
• Red: In construction
• Brown: Completed, yet to open
• Blue: Recently opened
• Black: Existing lines
Notably, what has NOT changed is the status of Yichang-Enshi-Wanzhou railway and Hainan East Ring. Both are completed, yet to open and delayed.

Any news about these two?

More observations:
There is a railway in construction a short stretch east of Zhenjiang. What is it?
Why is Guangzhou-Shenzhen completed? What is the status of the Pearl River tunnel?
Besides the Golmud-Korla line, was there some list of planned railways in Xinjiang?
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Old December 8th, 2010, 06:44 PM   #4079
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Update since November 17:
• Added Yaan–Ganluo Railway
• Corrected Quning Railway (Quzhou–Nanping–Ningde)
• Status update for Baoxi Railway (Baotou–Xi'an)
• Added Huoshigang–Panjin Railway
• Dongping Railway opened
• Corrected Changliu Railway (Changsha–Liuyang)
• Tiance Railway opened (Tian'ehuWest–Ceke)
• Corrected Lince Railway (Linhe–Ceke)
• Added Hainan West Ring Railway
• Renovation of Sanhui–Nanchuan Railway
• Added Lanzhou–Chongchuan Airport Intercity Railway
• Added Hunchun–Dongning Railway
• Corrected Jingshen HSR (Beijing–Shenyang)'s route and stations
• Added Tongyu Railway (Tongren–Yuping)
• Double track upgrade for the Fuling–Huaihua section of Yuhuai Railway
• Added Jingshen HSR's connecting line with Tongliao and Chifeng

Legend:
• Green: Planned (long-term plan)
• Yellow: Construction to start soon (in one or two years)
• Red: In construction
• Brown: Completed, yet to open
• Blue: Recently opened
• Black: Existing lines


Greet Job! I heard that ChengDu to Guiyang HSR already started construction few days ago
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:: By next year around 2011 APR, China CSR Sifang will introduce an improved version of CRH380AL -- 16 Cars Set where it will run at (Operating Speed = 550+ km/h).
Can you elaborate?
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