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Old December 23rd, 2010, 04:54 AM   #4141
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Expensive railway set for its maiden journey

By Guo Rui (China Daily)
Updated: 2010-12-22

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BEIJING - The Yichang-Wanzhou railway, which goes through some of the most difficult terrain in the country and is considered one of China's most expensive rail projects, will begin operations on Wednesday, though the line will not become fully operational until Jan 11, said Guo Bing, an official of the Yichang section of the Wuhan Railway Bureau. The maiden journey on the line will depart from Yichang city of Hubei province on Wednesday morning and arrive two hours later in Wanzhou district of Chongqing municipality. The railway will cut the travel time between Chongqing and the central industrial hub of Wuhan in Hubei province from 22 hours to just five hours. Journeys from other central or eastern Chinese cities to Southwest China will also be greatly reduced, railway officials said.

A 22.57 billion yuan ($3.4 billion) project, the 377-kilometer railway features 253 bridges and 159 tunnels, including 34 that run through karst topography, or landscape formed by the dissolution of soluble rocks. The length of track that runs through bridges and tunnels is 278 km, or 73 percent of the line's total length. "It was the hardest project I have ever worked on," Hu Ziping, the railway's chief designer, told China Daily. Initially begun in 1909, the project was repeatedly abandoned due to technical problems, until the central government decided to relaunch it in 2003. "Karst collapse was something we worried about the most," Hu said. Engineers and workers took seven years to complete the railway, which runs along a stretch of mountains on the eastern edge of the Yunnan-Guizhou Plateau. In one of the most difficult phases of the project, it took nearly six years to drill a tunnel for the route through the Qiyue Mountain. Hu said the railway's designed speed in 2003 was 160 km per hour - the fastest for its time. "It seems much slower now in this high-speed age," he said.

The Yichang-Wanzhou Railway is China's most expensive railway in terms of cost per km. It cost about 60 million yuan to build each km of the railway, compared to 29 million yuan for each km of the Qinghai-Tibet Railway, which began operations in 2006. Officials hope the trains will open up new opportunities for residents who live in the steep and remote Wuling Mountains.

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Old December 23rd, 2010, 10:16 AM   #4142
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Yichang-Wanxian railway is marked as the "most difficult railway having built", "bridge/tunnel museum". With 253 bridges (highest 140m) and 159 tunnels, Yichang-Wanxian railway sepnt 50,000 workers 7 years to build.

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Old December 23rd, 2010, 04:30 PM   #4143
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The Yichang-Wanzhou Railway is China's most expensive railway in terms of cost per km. It cost about 60 million yuan to build each km of the railway, compared to 29 million yuan for each km of the Qinghai-Tibet Railway, which began operations in 2006.

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I guess any HSR costs more than 60 million yuan per km. Why they keep saying it is most expensive railway? (probably conventional railway?)
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Old December 23rd, 2010, 05:24 PM   #4144
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I guess any HSR costs more than 60 million yuan per km. Why they keep saying it is most expensive railway? (probably conventional railway?)
That is a good point. The Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR has cost 116.6 billion yuan for a length of 968 km (according to Wikipedia). That makes 120 million yuan per km and is twice as much. The Beijing-Shanghai HSR is even 168 million yuan per km (220.9 billion yuan for 1318 km).
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Old December 23rd, 2010, 07:48 PM   #4145
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That is a good point. The Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR has cost 116.6 billion yuan for a length of 968 km (according to Wikipedia). That makes 120 million yuan per km and is twice as much. The Beijing-Shanghai HSR is even 168 million yuan per km (220.9 billion yuan for 1318 km).
Does anyone have an idea what is the most expensive railway in china? I digged a little bit further and found the answer is surprising.

Beijing tianjin HSR (350 km/h) 20.42 billions 117KM 174.5 millions/km
Shanghai Hangzhou HSR (350 km/h) 29.29 billions 202KM 145 millions/km
Wuhan Guangzhou HSR (350 km/h) 116.6 billions 968km 120 millions/km
Beijing shanghai HSR(350 km/h) 220.9 billions 1302km 169 millions/KM
Zhenzhou Xian HSR (350 km/h) 35.31 billions 456 km 77 millions/km
Chengdu Dujiangyan HSR (220 km/h) 13 billions 65 km 200 millions/km

Chengdu Dujiangyan HSR is the most expensive railway, only hong kong section of guangzhou-hong kong HSR can top that. Comparing chengdu DujiangYan HSR with Zhenzhou Xian HSR, CCP should investigate this project, some corrupt local officers should be executed.
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Old December 23rd, 2010, 08:34 PM   #4146
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I dont know the cost side of it but even that single picture in ANR's post shows the challenge of Yichang-Wanzhou railway; river, mountain etc... but a straight railroad Cool picture.
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Old December 23rd, 2010, 08:48 PM   #4147
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Chengdu Dujiangyan HSR is the most expensive railway, only hong kong section of guangzhou-hong kong HSR can top that. Comparing chengdu DujiangYan HSR with Zhenzhou Xian HSR, CCP should investigate this project, some corrupt local officers should be executed.
Before you rush to your conclusion, you gotta understand this is a political project.

As one of the post-earthquake reconstruction projects, its construction only started in Nov. 2008 and it must be operational before May 12, 2010(two year anniversary of the earthquake) at any cost. To finish a high speed ICL in about 1.5 years naturally costs more, much more since it is in an earthquake zone. As a matter of fact, the construction company did not make profit on this line because it is a political task. It is still not making any money during operation but that is not the concern. The government is subsidizing heavily on it because it is a earthquake-hit zone and this is only part of the disaster relief program.
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Old December 23rd, 2010, 08:53 PM   #4148
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I dont know the cost side of it but even that single picture in ANR's post shows the challenge of Yichang-Wanzhou railway; river, mountain etc... but a straight railroad Cool picture.
Other than the possibility of using different standards of 'the most expensive' for conventional railway and HSR, I am suspecting that the RMB 60-70 million/km may refer to pure construction cost for Yiwan railway. HSR such as Wuhan-Guangzhou HSR sure had a higher overall cost per km, but a lot of the money goes to relocation and land acquisition.

PS: Is the '22.57 billion yuan' budget money in 2003 or is it converted to money in 2010?
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Old December 23rd, 2010, 09:38 PM   #4149
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Before you rush to your conclusion, you gotta understand this is a political project.

As one of the post-earthquake reconstruction projects, its construction only started in Nov. 2008 and it must be operational before May 12, 2010(two year anniversary of the earthquake) at any cost. To finish a high speed ICL in about 1.5 years naturally costs more, much more since it is in an earthquake zone. As a matter of fact, the construction company did not make profit on this line because it is a political task. It is still not making any money during operation but that is not the concern. The government is subsidizing heavily on it because it is a earthquake-hit zone and this is only part of the disaster relief program.
Yeah, i know it is a kind of white elephant political project but didn't pay too much attention to its price tag

It is reasonable that cost is higher if it was built from wreck, but majority of the line is outside of earthquake badly hit area.

shanghai hangzhou line with triple length only took 20 months to complete.

None of reason you list above should be the excuse of very high cost.

Considering no tough terrain in chengdu plain, no big rivers, no tunnel, no underground section, no mega railway station to built, much less relocation expense comparing with Yangtze delta, it should be one of the cheapest HSR in China.

BTW, i am from chengdu.
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Old December 23rd, 2010, 10:37 PM   #4150
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I doubt the relocation expense is much less than Yangtze delta, both Shanghai-Nanjing and Shanghai-Hangzhou lines are on viaduct to minimize land usage.
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Old December 23rd, 2010, 10:58 PM   #4151
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I doubt the relocation expense is much less than Yangtze delta, both Shanghai-Nanjing and Shanghai-Hangzhou lines are on viaduct to minimize land usage.
Most part of ChengDu Dujiangyan line is on viaduct too. Guess all the HSR lines are like that.

I don't have statistics of land expense. But if you compare suburb property price of Chengdu to Shanghai, Dujiangyang to Hangzhou, Pixian to Jiangxing, the price will be 1/2-1/3 cheaper NOW, keep in mind that the property price along ChengDu Dujiangyan line line has almost doubled since it was opened.
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Old December 23rd, 2010, 11:09 PM   #4152
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It is reasonable that cost is higher if it was built from wreck, but majority of the line is outside of earthquake badly hit area.
It costs more because it has higher anti-earthquake standard. even if the construction site was not hit by earthquake, it lies in an earthquake zone.

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shanghai hangzhou line with triple length only took 20 months to complete.
Shanghai-Hangzhou HSR built 169 km from Hangzhou to Hongqiao.

The 13 billions budget for Chengdu Dujiangyan ICL covers the cost for renovating Chengdu Railway Station and constructing additional platforms etc in Chengdu. You cannot simply compare it to Shanghai-Hangzhou HSR since the latter budget does not include the cost to build Hongqiao Railway Station--it is hard to break the cost to three HSRs anyway.
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Beijing tianjin HSR (350 km/h) 20.42 billions 117KM 174.5 millions/km
also this budget does not include construction cost of Beijing South Station.
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Old December 24th, 2010, 02:25 AM   #4154
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It costs more because it has higher anti-earthquake standard. even if the construction site was not hit by earthquake, it lies in an earthquake zone.
I read some news of adding special measures to enhance earthquake resistance for this line. But it doesn't explain its high cost.

As matter of fact, any new expressway, HSR, major train station are among one of highest earthquake resistance categories (9 degree damage proof) in China's construction code (just second to major hospital) regardless where they are built, this line cannot be that special

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The 13 billions budget for Chengdu Dujiangyan ICL covers the cost for renovating Chengdu Railway Station and constructing additional platforms etc in Chengdu.
This might be one of reasons why it is so costly. But as i know, chengdu north railway station renovation hasn't started yet, it is hard to believe it will be still part of earthquake relief package, you have source for this?

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Old December 24th, 2010, 03:06 AM   #4155
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This might be one of reasons why it is so costly. But as i know, chengdu north railway station renovation hasn't started yet, it is hard to believe it will be still part of earthquake relief package, you have source for this?
this is part of the official environmental impact assessment for that line.
http://www.schj.gov.cn/index.php?opt...d=2985&id=7178

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4、主要建设内容:

(1)线路:安靖至青城山新建正线双线长59.135km,引入成都枢纽相关工程涉及的增建二线、改建线长15.415km;

(2)轨道:安靖至青城山段正线为抗震型框架板式无渣轨道;

(3)路基、桥梁:新建路基28.177km,桥梁18座;涵洞119座;

(4)车站:新建金牛、犀浦、红光、郫县东、郫县、郫县西、安德、聚源、都江堰、青城山10座车站,预留崇义、中兴2个车站,改建成都、郫县(即改建后的安靖站)2个车站

5、项目总投资及环保投资:总投资1100000万元,其中环保投资24374.52万元,占总投资的2.22%。
I am not sure if it is part of the earthquake relief package, but it is definitely part of the ICL project.

Just for comparison, this is from the environmental impact assessment for Shanghai-Hangzhou HSR:
(the official link is expired, but here is a copy:http://club.metrofans.sh.cn/thread-51027-1-1.html)
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2 工程概况与工程分析
2.1工程概况
2.1.1项目范围:
(一)正线
上海虹桥站(不含)CK2+210至杭州东站(不含)CK155+016.85,新建线路长度约153.427km。
....
2.1.9主要工程项目简况
(1)车站概况
本工程沿线新设松江南、枫泾南、嘉兴南、桐乡、余杭南等5个车站,车站性质、类型见表。
(2)轨道工程
①轨道类型
上海虹桥站(不含)~杭州东站(不含)正线采用框架板式无碴轨道,道岔区采用轨枕埋入式无砟轨道;春申至莘庄联络线、笕桥联络线、动车走行线采用有碴轨道。
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Old December 24th, 2010, 05:34 AM   #4156
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Ministry of Railways Vice-Minister Wang Zhiguo said China will complete an 110,000-kilometer railway network by 2012, including 13,000 kilometers of high-speed rail.

Ultimately, China plans to construct a 120,000-kilometer railway network, including 50,000-kilometers of high-speed rail track, by 2020.
So, China shall have 97 000 km slow railways by 2012 and 70 000 km slow railways by 2020.

Does this mean that China shall close 27 000 km railways in 8 years?
I guess slow railways will be upgraded to HSRs. Many slow railways were built with upgrading capacity in considerations.

by 12/24 (today), 7,531km HSR has been built and opened in China. (source)
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Old December 25th, 2010, 04:26 PM   #4159
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Green light for city to Nantong rail link
21 December 2010
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WORK on a direct railway link between Shanghai and Nantong in neighboring Jiangsu Province is expected to start early next year - cutting the journey time from five hours to barely 60 minutes.

The 250-kilometer link will connect the cities directly by a railway bridge over the Yangtze River. Its construction has just been approved.

Vehicles will also be able to use the bridge, according to Nantong railway authorities.

At the moment, most people take buses to Nantong, in the north of Jiangsu, as there's no direct railway route between Shanghai and the city. People have to transfer in Nanjing if they want to travel by train, meaning a journey of around five hours.

The direct railway, designed with a traveling speed of about 200 kilometers per hour, will cost an estimated 48.68 billion yuan (US$7.50 billion), and tickets will be priced at about 70 yuan, Shanghai Evening Post reported yesterday.

Meanwhile, bullet trains will be available to rail travelers by next month along the Shanghai-Sichuan and Shanghai-Chongqing routes, rail authorities said.

The fast train services are expected to cut the journey from more than 25 hours to about 15 hours.

One service will be based at city's Hongqiao Railway Station. Each train carries around 600 passengers.
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Old December 25th, 2010, 05:36 PM   #4160
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Well China already tried with double deck DMUs in the past decade, for example the pictures below, but most of them can only go up to 180kph, I'm sure sometime down the road a double deck CRH380 will be justified when demands start to outpace supply.

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