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Old March 12th, 2011, 09:02 PM   #4401
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High-speed railway of Coastal area in the West Guangdong province(Shenzhen深圳-Maoming茂名) approved by Development and Reform Commission.

371km, 200km/h and upgradeable to 250km/h. maybe could connect with Hainan ER ICL at 2020.
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Any plans for HSR from Guangzhou to Nanning, and on to Hanoi?
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Old March 13th, 2011, 03:05 AM   #4402
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Any plans for HSR from Guangzhou to Nanning, and on to Hanoi?

Nanning-Guangzhou HSR 577km, 250km/h 2009-2013

Guiyang-Guangzhou HSR 857km, 300km/h+ 2008-2014


you can see these three HSR line

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Old March 13th, 2011, 04:53 AM   #4403
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Nanning-Guangzhou HSR 577km, 250km/h 2009-2013

Guiyang-Guangzhou HSR 857km, 300km/h+ 2008-2014


you can see these three HSR line

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5297/...346dcd409b.jpg
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Old March 13th, 2011, 01:25 PM   #4404
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Nanning-Guangzhou HSR 577km, 250km/h 2009-2013

Guiyang-Guangzhou HSR 857km, 300km/h+ 2008-2014


you can see these three HSR line

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So counting the HSR lines around Guangzhou:

Guangzhou-Changsha-Wuhan - opened December 2009
Guangzhou-Zhuhai - opened January 2011
Guangzhou-Longhua-Futian - due to open sometime in July 2011
Guangzhou-Longhua-Xiamen-Shanghai - due to open sometime in 2011, December?
Guangzhou-Nanning - due to open in 2013
Guangzhou-Guiyang - due to open in 2014
Guangzhou-Maoming - due to open when?
Guangzhou-Longhua-Futian-Hong Kong - due to open when?

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Old March 17th, 2011, 05:49 AM   #4405
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Shanghai-Nantong Railway
adjusted planned route in Shanghai:

http://www.shgtj.gov.cn/hdpt/gzcy/sj...212_432164.htm

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Old March 17th, 2011, 02:27 PM   #4406
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Shanghai-Nantong Railway
adjusted planned route in Shanghai:
And Suzhou and Nantong.

Is the fixed Yangtze crossing just above head of Chongming island complete and awaiting for the railway to be routed there, or yet to be built?
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Old March 18th, 2011, 05:48 PM   #4407
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(click to enlarge)

Legend:
* Black: Existing old lines
* Blue: recently opened
* Brown: completed, yet to open
* Red: under construction
* Orange: planned, construction to begin soon
* Green: in study

Current as of 2011-03-17
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Old March 18th, 2011, 09:01 PM   #4408
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* Brown: completed, yet to open

Current as of 2011-03-17
The current brown lines seem to be Beijing-Shanghai, Dalian-Harbin, Guangzhou-Shenzhen. Probably some inconspicuous slow ones (Lanzhou-Xining?)

Beijing-Shanghai is due to open on 20th of June, 2011, and Guangzhou-Shenzhen, I think, sometime in August 2011. When shall Dalian-Harbin open?
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Old March 19th, 2011, 01:14 PM   #4409
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So counting the HSR lines around Guangzhou:

Guangzhou-Changsha-Wuhan - opened December 2009
Guangzhou-Zhuhai - opened January 2011
Guangzhou-Luohu-Futian - due to open sometime in July 2011
Guangzhou-Luohu-Xiamen-Shanghai - due to open sometime in 2011, December?
Guangzhou-Nanning - due to open in 2013
Guangzhou-Guiyang - due to open in 2014
Guangzhou-Maoming - due to open when?
Guangzhou-Luohu-Futian-Hong Kong - due to open when?
There are some line that I have never heard. Guangzhou-Futian is just Guangzhou-Shenzhen, right?

Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Ximen-Shanghai. there are two line linked with different standard, 350km/h and 250km/h. and 8 hours+. I think the MOR will get some CRH1E sleep train into server.

Guangzhou-Maoming line, maybe construct slowly. you know, Cantonese prefer car and express way than CRH.
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Old March 19th, 2011, 04:42 PM   #4410
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Guangzhou-Maoming line, maybe construct slowly. you know, Cantonese prefer car and express way than CRH.

Luckily more and more mandarins live in Canton

I couldn't find any taxi driver in Guangzhou that spoke Cantonese and had a hard time finding one in Shenzhen.
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Old March 19th, 2011, 07:09 PM   #4411
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Luckily more and more mandarins live in Canton

I couldn't find any taxi driver in Guangzhou that spoke Cantonese and had a hard time finding one in Shenzhen.
I found that the yellow taxi cabs are mainly driven by Cantonese speakers based on my trip from last August.
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Old March 20th, 2011, 03:31 AM   #4412
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I found that the yellow taxi cabs are mainly driven by Cantonese speakers based on my trip from last August.
Hehe well i don't speak much Cantonese... but it's kinda like going to Sweden and seeing no blonde people or no Ikea
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Old March 20th, 2011, 10:43 AM   #4413
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There are some line that I have never heard. Guangzhou-Futian is just Guangzhou-Shenzhen, right?
Yes. Guangzhou-Shenzhen shall have three stations in Shenzhen: Guangming, Longhua and Futian. Longhua, also called Shenzhen North, would be the branching point to the Longhua-Xiamen line. Futian would be the last station in mainland China, before Hong Kong border.

Would Longhua and Futian stations open together in August 2011, or separately?
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Guangzhou-Shenzhen-Ximen-Shanghai. there are two line linked with different standard, 350km/h and 250km/h. and 8 hours+. I think the MOR will get some CRH1E sleep train into server.
Yes, 350 km/h Guangzhou-Longhua, 250 km/h Longhua-Xiamen-Ningbo, 350 km/h Ningbo-Hangzhou-Shanghai.

Guangzhou and Shanghai are the two richest and biggest cities of China. It seems that direct connections should be important.

It should be possible to travel Guangzhou-Shanghai now, 350 km/h Guangzhou-Changsha-Wuhan, then 250 km/h Wuhan-Hefei-Nanjing and 350 km/h Nanjing-Shanghai. But no direct trains seem to be operating that route.

Changsha-Hangzhou high speed railway is not due for completion before 2014. So when Longhua-Xiamen and Hangzhou-Ningbo high speed lines open sometime this year, what shall be the direct trip time Guangzhou-Shanghai?
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Guangzhou-Maoming line, maybe construct slowly. you know, Cantonese prefer car and express way than CRH.
Yes, but will any long distance direct trains run there? I see that Maoming-Zhanjiang is said to be under construction already. So would there be direct trains Wuhan-Guangzhou-Zhanjiang?

When in August, Guangzhou-Shenzhen high speed line opens, shall there be any direct through trains Wuhan-Shenzhen with stops in Changsha and Guangzhou?
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Old March 20th, 2011, 04:55 PM   #4414
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is there a version of that map with the names of the towns in english?
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Old March 22nd, 2011, 08:29 PM   #4415
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Can we keep the HSR discussions in the dedicated high-speed thread :
CHINA | High Speed Rail? Thanks.
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Old March 25th, 2011, 06:27 PM   #4416
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CHINA'S FIXED-ASSET INVESTMENT IN RAILWAYS UP 32.5% IN JAN-FEB

BEIJING, March 16 Asia Pulse - China's fixed-asset investments in the railway sector totaled 70.8 billion yuan (US$10.77 billion) in January-February, up 32.5 per cent year on year, statistics released by China's Ministry of Railways show.

The investment in railway infrastructure construction totaled 64.02 billion yuan in the two months, up 46.7 per cent year on year.

Chinese railways transported 318.34 million passengers in January-February, up 13.7 per cent year on year. The railway passenger turnover meanwhile totaled 182.4 billion person-km, registering a year-on-year rise of 14.9 per cent.

China's railway freight volume totaled 624.8 million metric tons (tonnes), up 7.8 per cent year on year. The railway freight turnover reached 457.9 billion tonne-km, up 5.0 per cent year on year, according to the ministry.
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Old April 29th, 2011, 08:24 PM   #4417
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China slashes 2011 rail investment plan

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BEIJING, April 29 (Reuters) - China's railway ministry has decided to cut its planned investment for 2011 to 400 billion yuan from the original 700 billion yuan after its chief was ousted on suspicion of wrongdoing, the Economic Observer, a local newspaper, reported on its website on Friday.
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so the investment is cut from $107 billion to $61 billion for 2011. this is expected since many approved projects in western China were canceled or put on hold.
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Old May 1st, 2011, 12:38 AM   #4418
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I didn't know the original budget is even more than China's official defense budget...crazy. $61B is still quite significant considering the most ambitious projects, such as Jinhu HSR and Wuguang HSR are completed.
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Old May 1st, 2011, 12:55 AM   #4419
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IMHO they should foucus more on subway plans. I mean, there're a lot of big cities (>4 million inhabitants) which according to current plans wont develop a decent subway net till 2030 or beyond. Fortunately those subway plans are revised all the time, and they accelerate the schedule very often, but even son only Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou are extending their subways at the right speed.
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Old May 1st, 2011, 01:32 AM   #4420
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MoR is currently not involved in planning, financing, constructing or operating subway systems. the only exception is Chengdu subway.

To get a subway plan approved, a city is required to have both the financial ability and an urban population large enough to support the system. For cities such as Guiyang and Lanzhou(both with a population around 4 million and a GDP around RMB 90 billion), they have to convince the NDRC that they have enough money; For cities like Kunshan(with a total population of 650k and urban population of 300k, and a GDP more than RMB 200 billion), they have more than enough money to build a subway system, but they don't have enough residents, and that's why their plans don't get approved.

Most cities meeting the two requirements are building subway lines at fast speeds. The top three systems in mainland you mentioned have been expanding like there is no tomorrow. There won't be enough money or even construction workforce if other cities want to copy their expansion patterns.
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