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Old June 11th, 2007, 06:41 AM   #461
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The pinyin font is horrible.
Chinese still do not have a taste for latin letter font. They still think cursive font from 19th century is pretty.

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Old June 11th, 2007, 03:49 PM   #462
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I think thats not so much a chinese problem, but a general problem in Asia, and in areas, where economy and technology are developing faster than society is able to deal with.

Thats where bad taste comes from.
Just compare downtown Tokyo or downtown Seoul with downtown Paris or downtown Prague.

You have so many good designers in China, like Luigi Collanin and many others---you could easily just let them do a good job, by designing all that stuff. Who is doing that now? Some bureacrat from the CCP?

Transportation design and everything that comes along with it is one of the most interesting fields of study in our time.
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Old June 13th, 2007, 12:07 PM   #463
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Made-in-China trains will debut on Shanghai subway
(Shanghai Daily)
Updated: 2007-06-13 09:00

Shanghai will use subway trains that are made in China by a Chinese-owned company for the first time on Metro Line 9, which is set to open by the end of this year, subway officials announced yesterday.
All of the subway trains currently used in the city are either imported or produced by foreign joint ventures in China.

"The purpose of developing our own subway cars is to lower costs and promote overall industrial capacity," said Wu Xinyi of Shanghai Shentong Holdings Company - a major investor in the city's Metro system.

The cheaper trains won't lead to lower subway fares, however.

"The investment in subway trains only accounts for a small part of our overall investment in the subway," said Wu.

Officials wouldn't say yesterday how many of the domestically produced trains they plan to buy.

Several of the new subway trains are being exhibited at the China International Urban Rail Transport Expo at the Shanghai New International Expo Center.

The six-carriage trains, which look like the current trains operating in the city, were developed by Shanghai Rail Traffic Equipment Company, an arm of Shanghai Electric.

According to Chen Chao, a project manager at Shanghai Metro Operation Company's department of new subway trains, the new trains will be tested for around six months before they are put into use.

The test will check if they work well with current trains and study the levels of electromagnetic fields they create.

"If they produce too much electromagnetism, they will affect all the other moving trains and their inter-communication system," Chen said.

Han Bin, a manager at Shanghai Electric, said domestically made cars will cost "tens of thousands of yuan" less than imported cars or those produced by joint ventures.

The new cars will also be equipped with cameras to monitor each carriage.

The first phase of Metro Line 9 - linking rural Songjiang District with Xuhui District - will open late this year.

Metro operators have spent US$326 million on 51 six-carriage subway trains from the Canada-based Bombardier Transport for the new line.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...ent_893115.htm
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Old June 13th, 2007, 02:09 PM   #464
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Homemade 350 kmh trains to start service next year
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Updated: 2007-06-13 16:37

Commuters traveling between Beijing and Tianjin will be able to take swift China-produced passenger trains next year running at speeds up to 350 kilometers per hour, the manufacturer said on Wednesday.

Design of the high-speed train has been completed and the first train will roll off the production line at the end of 2007, according to a spokesman at Sifang Locomotive and Rolling Stock Co Ltd based in Qingdao, East China's Shandong Province.

The eight-car trains, which can seat around 600 passengers, will operate on the 115-km-long Beijing-Tianjin route before the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games. Travel between the two cities will be reduced from the current 70 minutes to less than 30 minutes.

The same trains will also run on the Beijing-Shanghai and Wuhan-Guangzhou lines.

Sifang Locomotive, a subsidiary of China Southern Locomotive and Rolling Stock Industry (Group) Corporation, will deliver 10 such trains to the Ministry of Railways in the first half of next year, said the company.

China launched its sixth train speed boost on April 18 bringing the country more firmly into the era of high-speed train travel. Trains run on the Beijing-Harbin, Beijing-Shanghai and Beijing-Guangzhou routes at speeds up to 250 kilometers per hour.

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Old June 13th, 2007, 03:05 PM   #465
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Very interesting. Does anyone know if these trains replace the CRH #3 Velaro trainsets from Siemens which were to be built in Tangshan?
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Old June 14th, 2007, 03:54 PM   #466
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Yeah... there seems to be an open season on Siemens in China...
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Old June 14th, 2007, 06:21 PM   #467
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Thursday, June 14, 2007 at 09:29
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China plans environmental assessment on maglev extension

Beijing (dpa) - China plans to conduct an environmental impact assessment before deciding whether to extend the world's first commercial magnetic levitation (maglev) line, the government said on Thursday, following protests by local residents.

"The project impacts the direct interests of people living along the route, and some residents, scholars and organizations have been questioning (its environmental impact)," Zhang Lijun, deputy head of the State Environmental Protection Administration (SEPA), told the official government website.

The government would decide the future of the project "based on scientific evaluation, after thoroughly studying opinions of experts and the public," Zhang was quoted as saying.

Officials in Shanghai suspended preparatory land clearances for a planned extension of the line last month because of nearby residents' health concerns.

Concerns over electromagnetic radiation from the line were a major reason for the suspension, an official from the Shanghai Municipal People's Congress said.

Uncertainty had already surrounded long-term plans to extend the existing 30-kilometre maglev line between the city's financial district and the main Pudong airport.

The Chinese operator and Germany's Transrapid consortium, led by Siemens and ThyssenKrupp, were unable to agree on a price and technology transfers for a planned extension.

Thousands of local residents have protested against the possible expansion because of fears of noise, vibration and electromagnetic radiation from the line.

Two different plans would extend line to the nearby city of Hangzhou, some 170 kilometres away, or by a 37-kilometre link to Shanghai's second airport and the Expo 2010 site.

Some officials favour a conventional high-speed line rather than a maglev line to Hanghzou, saying the high-speed line would cost only half as much and provide services that are almost as fast as maglev trains.
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Old June 15th, 2007, 09:51 AM   #468
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in other words... if you don't give us the price that we want, we'll shelf your project behind bearucratic red tape... again
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Old June 15th, 2007, 11:37 AM   #469
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Siemens and Thyssen are long enought in the business right now, especially in China, to know whats behind it.

And they made enought deals, including the deals for the ValeroE and new high-tech coal fired power plants (with high efficiency/reduced Co2 exhaust) to know, how it works in China.
Both deals included huge technology transfers, what means, that they wont make any deals in China concerning that technology in the future anymore.

To sum it up, its very easy: Siemens, who not only produces the Shanghai Malgev, but also the Valero (ICE3/CRH-something) knows very well the qualities of their maglev and the potential for the future.

China on the other hand, who bought all high-speed trains available on that planet including their technology knows very well what the qualties of that maglev system is as well.
Otherwise they would not keep on wanting the core technology.

One wants it, the other one has it. Well, as an old european, I would say, time for a cooperation. ....
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Old June 15th, 2007, 11:42 AM   #470
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Very interesting. Does anyone know if these trains replace the CRH #3 Velaro trainsets from Siemens which were to be built in Tangshan?
altogether 60 ice3/valero were meant to be put into service betwenn 2007 and 2009, with 3 produced in Germany and 57 produced in China as a result of the tech transfer.

I am pretty sure, that the trains the article is talking about are the 57 chinese made valeros.
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Old June 19th, 2007, 03:14 PM   #471
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SEPA to review on Shanghai-Hangzhou magnetic train report



In regards to the Shanghai-Hangzhou magnetic train project, Zhang Lijun, deputy head of the State Environmental Protection Administration (SEPA), on June 13th, said that the SEPA has received the project's environmental assessment report.

Zhang Lijun said that, the National Development and Reform Commission approved the project proposal in May 2006 and agreed on the establishment of the project. Due to the adjustment of Shanghai Hongqiao International Airport's function, definition, and scale of development, Shanghai Longyang Road station in the original proposal was replaced by Hongqiao Station, indicating the future addition of a maglev line connecting to the Shanghai airport. It will be called the Shanghai extension project of the Shanghai-Hangzhou line. The line will run through the districts of Pudong, Xuhui, and Minhang. The Minhang district is a total length of 34.8-km. "The project directly impacts the wellbeing of people living along this route; thus some residents, scholars and organizations have been questioning the project," Zhang Lijun said. He also said that the SEPA will study opinions from experts and the public; make a scientific judgment according to related laws and rules; and then implement the SEPA's final decision.

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Old June 19th, 2007, 05:04 PM   #472
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It's almost hard to believe that the PRC is conducting these feasability studies!~ Usually they're all go go go and the wouldn't care about how many ppl's homes are destroyed in the process.
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Old June 22nd, 2007, 12:08 PM   #473
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Why is the ICE3 project in China so quiet?
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Old June 22nd, 2007, 09:05 PM   #474
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theres a bunch of people argueing, that the picture of the chinese-maglev "copy" is a photoshoped picture of the extisting maglev.

Any ideas if that could be true?
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Old June 24th, 2007, 06:04 AM   #475
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who cares... nobody knows anything for sure atm.

read the news when it comes out, let's not speculate it.
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Old June 30th, 2007, 04:47 AM   #476
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CRH5

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very funny
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Old June 30th, 2007, 10:17 AM   #477
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Nice video. Who is the maker of of CRH5?
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Old July 1st, 2007, 11:30 AM   #478
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Well, this whole thread has been nicely ruined. I....
You cannot just copy someone else's technology and pass it off as your own, it's theft, pure and simple. If someone can show me the details of the patents sold or leased by Transrapid that give the Chinese the right to copy the German technology then I'm absolutely willing to accept that this is legitimate. So far I have seen no such evidence...
Andrew, on ur theory, a nation must make terms with the patentor before use, otherwise it is thief. Right?
Ok, I want to question u herein, did u white guys pay for patents of the gunpowder, compass, typography, paper and lots of other Chinese inventions? They all belong to Chinese. If in terms of payment, i think u already "payed" us opium, iron&blood, and centuries of humiliations. Can China purchases ur patents with the above "payments"? If we did, would u still call us as thief?
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 01:41 AM   #479
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I would imaine none of those things actually had patents
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Old July 2nd, 2007, 05:01 PM   #480
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Nice video. Who is the maker of of CRH5?
It was reported that the Changchun Railway Company is building the the CRH5 using a Design and Technology which was purchased from the trains devision of the Fiat company in Italy. Since that contract was signed Fiat sold their trains division to Alstom which is a French comapny.


Thus we have a Chinese company building an Italian developed design which is now owned by a French comapny.

It does resemble the new ETR-600 trains in Italy.
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