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Old May 7th, 2012, 08:16 PM   #4781
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^ Now it makes much more sense. From Almaty it could reach Europe via Uzbequistan, Iran and Turkey.
Uzbekistan and Iran do not have a border.

The shortest route would go via Turkmenistan.
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I wonder if that line to Almaty is being built in standard gauge. If yes, then with some more building one could make all the way from China to Europe in standard gauge.
I understand that the break of gauge would be in Khorgos. Narrow gauge railway into Kazakhstan is yet to be started.

I see that in Inner Mongolia, a railway to Arxan is depicted.

Would building a railway Arxan-Choibalsan make sense?
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Old May 8th, 2012, 11:56 PM   #4782
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China's railways handle 606 mln passengers in first 4 months

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BEIJING, May 6 (Xinhua) -- A total of 606.48 million people traveled via China's railways during the first four months of 2012, a year-on-year increase of 2.8 percent, the Ministry of Railways said Sunday.

Passenger numbers increased the most in April due to rising travel demand during the Qingming Festival (April 2 to 4) and Labor Day holiday (April 28 to May 1), the ministry said.

The number of passengers traveling on trains rose 8.6 percent year-on-year in April, 7.4 percentage points higher than the growth registered in the first quarter, the ministry said.

Railways carried 1.33 billion tonnes of cargo in the first four months, up 3.8 percent from the previous year, the ministry added.

The ministry said it has increased support for the transport of important production materials and living necessities such as coal, grain, oil and chemical fertilizer.

The railways carried 785.34 million tonnes of coal, up 6.6 percent year-on-year in the first four months, while the transport of grain increased 15 percent to 35.96 million tonnes during the period, the ministry said.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 05:27 AM   #4783
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Uzbekistan and Iran do not have a border.

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I understand that the break of gauge would be in Khorgos. Narrow gauge railway into Kazakhstan is yet to be started.

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Narrow gauge? China has standard gauge, ex-USSR countries broad gauge.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 05:41 AM   #4784
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China's railways handle 606 mln passengers in first 4 months
Following this and my earlier post:
606 mln in first 4 months:
606 / (31 + 29 + 30 + 31) days = 606 mln / 121 days ~= 5 mln / day
Following the International Labor Day statistics (see my another earlier post):
29.99 mln in 4 day period, Saturday - Tuesday

Saturday, April 28th = ? (it was a working day, afternoon/evening could see increased traffic)
Sunday, April 29th = 8.2 mln
Monday, April 30th = ?
Tuesday, May 1st = 8.05 mln

29.99 mln - (8.2 mln + 8.05 mln) = 13.74 mln
13.74 mln / 2 days (Sat + Mon) = 6.87 mln
Anyone got any links to the official railway statistics? I really wonder, on an average day (excluding any holidays), how many people does the Chinese railway carry.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 06:29 AM   #4785
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China to restore confidence in high-speed trains

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BEIJING - China will continue with research and development into its new generation high-speed trains despite the industry's tarnished image due to a spate of operation faults last year, according to a plan for the country's rail traffic equipment manufacturing industry.

The new generation trains will run at speeds of more than 300 km an hour, according to the five-year plan for the industry for the 2011-2015 period, which was released by the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology on Monday.

The plan underscores the reliability, comfort and maintainability of passenger rail transportation equipment. It requires thorough research and development of key technologies and systems related to rail traffic.

The fast development of high-speed trains came under question after frequent operation failures and a fatal crash.

On July 23 last year, a high-speed train slammed into a stalled train near the eastern city of Wenzhou, leaving 40 people dead and 172 injured. The incident was blamed on faulty signaling equipment.

Construction of high-speed trains and railways cooled sharply after the State Council, or China's cabinet, ordered slower operational speeds in the wake of the crash.

Trains with a maximum speed of 350 km per hour (kph) were ordered to run no faster than 300 kph, while those with a maximum speed of 250 kph had to run at no more than 200 kph.

Some analysts then predicted the accident would hamper the nation's exports of high-speed train technologies.

But contrary to these concerns, China has continued to export a wide range of equipment including electric multiple units, urban rail vehicles, steam locomotives, large road maintenance equipment to many countries such as Russia, Australia, Brazil, India, Argentina, Turkey, Iran and Malaysia.

"Compared to other high-end equipment manufacturing industries, the high-speed rail sector has a better industry foundation. It is also the easiest in terms of safety control," said Yuan Gangming, a researcher with Tsinghua University.

From 2006 to 2010, China enjoyed an average annual growth rate of 31.9 percent in the sales value of rail traffic equipments. The nation is capable of producing 2,000 high-power locomotives, 8,000 passenger rail vehicles and 60,000 freight wagons every year.

Nevertheless, like in other high-end equipment manufacturing industries, the nation lacks independent property rights in the rail transportation equipment sector.

For instance, about 80 percent of equipment that make integrated circuit chips were imported, according to previous media reports.

The nation has called for more investment and innovation to boost independent manufacturing. The plan revealed that in 2010, the nation's rail traffic equipment producers put nearly four percent of their sales revenue into research and development of new technologies.

The plan says that the nation's rail traffic will boom in coming five to 10 years with a large demand for various equipments. It estimates that the nation will consume more than 1,000 electric multiple units and about 5,000 locomotives from 2011 to 2015.

In recent years, urban rail systems have expanded fast across China as stifling pollution and traffic congestion has become a development bottleneck of the world's second largest economy.

By the end of 2010, 13 cities opened 49 railways with a mileage of 1,425.5 kilometers. The lines are sprawling. China now tops the world in the construction of urban railways, with an average annual new mileage of 270 kilometers.

By 2015, the nation's urban rail system will have a total length of more than 2,700 kilometers, the plan says.

Meanwhile, overseas demand was forecast to grow as many countries are also building new lines or upgrading old ones.

The global rail traffic equipment market will grow by 3 percent on average each year by 2015, with an annual demand averaging more than 100 billion euros ($130 billion), the plan says, citing forecasts of the Association of the European Rail Industry.

In the five-year plan, the ministry predicted that the industry's annual sales value will exceed 400 billion yuan ($63 billion) every year and investment by backbone enterprises in research and development will exceed 5 percent of their annual sales by 2015.

By 2020, the industry's annual sales value would exceed 650 billion yuan and investment in research and development would exceed 6 percent of annual sales, it said.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/busines...t_15246909.htm
According to this article, China is still producing and exporting steam locomotives???
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Old May 10th, 2012, 04:45 AM   #4786
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According to this article, China is still producing and exporting steam locomotives???
Probably just a misinformed addition that was overlooked by editors. No railway is going to be ordering new steam locomotives for any type of revenue service anywhere.
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Old May 10th, 2012, 05:54 AM   #4787
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Does anyone know about the streamlines "Asia Express" that used to operate during Japanese occupation days?
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Old May 11th, 2012, 02:37 AM   #4788
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Hard sleeper on the Shanghai-Kowloon through train


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Old May 11th, 2012, 06:03 AM   #4789
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Thanks Woonsocket for the interiors
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Old May 11th, 2012, 06:13 AM   #4790
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Does CSR has plans to export such units overseas?
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Old May 11th, 2012, 06:57 AM   #4791
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The bogies look Germanic.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 10:41 AM   #4792
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The bogies look Germanic.
But the design is originally Chinese. Its predecessor is of Germanic roots
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Old May 11th, 2012, 12:36 PM   #4793
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From Shanghai Daily (May 11)

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Created: 2012-5-11 1:12:57

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A GERMAN railway products maker has been providing substandard equipment for use on China's high-speed railways, a magazine investigation has claimed.

Cast-in channels produced by Halfen Group would rust easily even before they were incorporated into concrete structures, posing a potential danger, a report in the Century Weekly magazine said.

The cast-in channels produced by Halfen were first used on a high-speed rail line in 2005. The company soon established a branch in Beijing as the country embarked on rapid rail development.

The company says its products have been used on more than 20 rail projects in China including the Shanghai-Beijing and Beijing-Tianjin high-speed lines.

Despite domestic manufacturers developing their own cast-in channels and other relevant technologies, Halfen retains the biggest share of the market, according to the magazine, despite its prices being higher.

The channels are used to support other equipment like wires, signals and electrical devices. They are supposed to be crush-proof and rust-proof. But the report said that along the under-construction Shanghai-Kunming line, zinc coating on the channels was defective, which would lead to rusting.

Other sources showed that the products were made in China, not imported from Germany, the report said.

A video clip acquired by the magazine showed the zinc coating was applied in Chinese factories, it said.

The German company did not reply yesterday to an e-mailed request from Shanghai Daily for an interview.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 04:30 PM   #4794
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So the problem seems to be with some part of the manufacturing process in China... strange how the headline seems to emphasize the German origin of the product.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 06:14 PM   #4795
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So the problem seems to be with some part of the manufacturing process in China... strange how the headline seems to emphasize the German origin of the product.
I was about to say that. Funny how the article makes no mention of where the products are actually made. "Oh but it's German design, it has to be their fault, the glorious hard-working chinese manufacturers couldn't put a foot wrong."
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Old May 11th, 2012, 09:58 PM   #4796
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I was about to say that. Funny how the article makes no mention of where the products are actually made. "Oh but it's German design, it has to be their fault, the glorious hard-working chinese manufacturers couldn't put a foot wrong."
Possibly, it's called foreign bashing. Sound familiar?

But since this is China's market, don't assume the bashing by Caijing is from "Chinese" competitor{s} or interests. The German's main competitors in China are the Americans, Japanese, and some other EU countries.
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Old May 15th, 2012, 12:08 PM   #4797
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The new 25G (red-skin carriage), max speed 120km/h









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The new 25G (red-skin carriage), max speed 120km/h









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DO you have specs for this train?
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Old May 16th, 2012, 12:53 AM   #4799
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Well the 25G carriage is not new, the first batch came out in 1992, the current generation (3rd gen) rolled out in 2004. Yesterday's big MOR RFP is for both 25T and 25G cars totaling of 2500 units. Four companies belong to CNR and CSR are bidding to supply those cars to 14 railway bureaus.
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Well the 25G carriage is not new, the first batch came out in 1992, the current generation (3rd gen) rolled out in 2004. Yesterday's big MOR RFP is for both 25T and 25G cars totaling of 2500 units. Four companies belong to CNR and CSR are bidding to supply those cars to 14 railway bureaus.
Thanks for the info.
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