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Old September 13th, 2012, 05:19 PM   #4901
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Beijing has one, Pearl River Delta has some like GZ-Zhuhai intercity, Guangshen Railway, and Guangdong Through Train.
According to Wikipedia's definition of "commuter rail", GZ-Zhuhai, Guangshen and Guangdong Through Train are not "commuter rail". The train connects Shanghai and Luchaogang might be a candidate.
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^ The Yamanote line he gave as an example is also not "commuter" rail...it is for all intents and purposes a metro line using the definition of a metro vs commuter rail. The only difference is it isn't underground (subway).

For commuter rail Shanghai has this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huhang_Railway
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Old September 14th, 2012, 12:47 AM   #4903
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According to Wikipedia's definition of "commuter rail", GZ-Zhuhai, Guangshen and Guangdong Through Train are not "commuter rail". The train connects Shanghai and Luchaogang might be a candidate.
GZ-Zhuhai, Guangshen and Guangdong Through Train would be more regional rail
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Old September 14th, 2012, 02:16 AM   #4904
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Is slower speed rail going to phase out as CRH grows over time? I know it's a bit of a ridiculous question because places like France and Italy have high speed rail yet they still have conventional rail lines. I ask because some of the conventional rail lines in China are parallel to the CRH lines.
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Old September 14th, 2012, 03:20 AM   #4905
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I think it won't happen in the foreseeable future (next 20 years). The network is vastly comprised of slower electrified lines. The high speed lines have yet to form a complete network to justify replacing slower, longer train routes. Also there are areas that needs passenger railway coverage but the terrain and population cannot justify HSR service. Judging from the recent large 25T order I think the MOR is pretty happy with the current setup.
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Old September 14th, 2012, 04:36 AM   #4906
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Well, it is partially happening where there are multiple parallel high speed lines, i.e. high-speed intercity railway lines.
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Old September 14th, 2012, 09:22 AM   #4907
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Well, what are the commuter services like?

Guangzhou-Shenzhen railway, 147 km, is not only electrified throughout, but also 4 tracked all the way. It is said that 2 of the 4 tracks were reserved for slower trains.

Over these 147 km, there are 4 freight only stations - Yunlu, Xiayuan, Honghai and Sungang. There are also 3 abolished stations somewhere - Tutang, Lincun, Lilang.

The existing passenger stations are:
Guangzhou East, Shipai, Jishan, Nangang, Xintang, Shapu, Xiancun, Shitan, Shilong, Chashan, Nanshe, Hengli, Dongguan, Zhangmutou, Tangtouxia, Tiantangwei, Pinghu, Buji. 18 in total - 8 km average distance between stations.

How many passenger trains daily actually stop at, say, Tiantangwei Station?

I hear that there are trains called "pu kuai", having termini like, Shenzhen-Zhaoqing. What are their schedules like?

On Shenzhen-Guangzhou, high speed railway and low speed railway are actually very far away from one another and do not meet at all south of Guangzhou North. (But the low speed railway Guangzhou-Zhaoqing surely has to cross the high speed railway somehow?)

Whereas how about Shanghai-Nanjing?

I hear that during the 6th Speedup Campaign back in 2007, the 47 km stretch of Shanghai-Nanjing railway Shanghai-Kunshan was upgraded to 200 km/h - of which 20 km stretch Shanghai West-Anting was upgraded to 250 km/h.

Is that part of railway just 2 tracks, or have any parts of it been supplied with 3 or more tracks?

Now, Shanghai-Kunshan is closely but not quite parallel to 2 high speed railways.

Shanghai-Nanjing high speed railway has intermediate stations Shanghai West, Nanxiang North, Anting North and Huaqiao, and goes to Kunshan South. From Anting North, a branch goes to Hongqiao Station.

Shanghai-Beijing high speed railway also goes to Kunshan South, but is nonstop between Kunshan South and Hongqiao.

From high speed railway schedules, I observe that the stations between Shanghai and Kunshan seem to be poorly served. From Shanghai, there is a single daily train stopping at Nanxiang North and Huaqiao (different nonstop trains each) and 2 trains daily stopping at Anting North (different trains again).

How about low speed railway? Are there any small stations at Anting and between Anting and Kunshan? And do trains stop there? Like, are there any pu kuai trains operating?
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Old September 17th, 2012, 05:41 AM   #4910
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Well, what are the commuter services like?

Guangzhou-Shenzhen railway, 147 km, is not only electrified throughout, but also 4 tracked all the way. It is said that 2 of the 4 tracks were reserved for slower trains.

Over these 147 km, there are 4 freight only stations - Yunlu, Xiayuan, Honghai and Sungang. There are also 3 abolished stations somewhere - Tutang, Lincun, Lilang.

The existing passenger stations are:
Guangzhou East, Shipai, Jishan, Nangang, Xintang, Shapu, Xiancun, Shitan, Shilong, Chashan, Nanshe, Hengli, Dongguan, Zhangmutou, Tangtouxia, Tiantangwei, Pinghu, Buji. 18 in total - 8 km average distance between stations.

How many passenger trains daily actually stop at, say, Tiantangwei Station?

I hear that there are trains called "pu kuai", having termini like, Shenzhen-Zhaoqing. What are their schedules like?

On Shenzhen-Guangzhou, high speed railway and low speed railway are actually very far away from one another and do not meet at all south of Guangzhou North. (But the low speed railway Guangzhou-Zhaoqing surely has to cross the high speed railway somehow?)

Whereas how about Shanghai-Nanjing?

I hear that during the 6th Speedup Campaign back in 2007, the 47 km stretch of Shanghai-Nanjing railway Shanghai-Kunshan was upgraded to 200 km/h - of which 20 km stretch Shanghai West-Anting was upgraded to 250 km/h.

Is that part of railway just 2 tracks, or have any parts of it been supplied with 3 or more tracks?

Now, Shanghai-Kunshan is closely but not quite parallel to 2 high speed railways.

Shanghai-Nanjing high speed railway has intermediate stations Shanghai West, Nanxiang North, Anting North and Huaqiao, and goes to Kunshan South. From Anting North, a branch goes to Hongqiao Station.

Shanghai-Beijing high speed railway also goes to Kunshan South, but is nonstop between Kunshan South and Hongqiao.

From high speed railway schedules, I observe that the stations between Shanghai and Kunshan seem to be poorly served. From Shanghai, there is a single daily train stopping at Nanxiang North and Huaqiao (different nonstop trains each) and 2 trains daily stopping at Anting North (different trains again).

How about low speed railway? Are there any small stations at Anting and between Anting and Kunshan? And do trains stop there? Like, are there any pu kuai trains operating?
commuter rail is almost non-exsistant in china, only a single Beijing line and a Shanghai line that's opening soon. Though I feel that after the main HSR grid is complete it would be the next logical step for MOR to put in local/commuter services on the freed up slots, cause it helps support HSR ridership.
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Old September 17th, 2012, 10:03 AM   #4911
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the next few decades will be a hoot, china will have no choice but to build hundreds of subway lines and hundreds of suburban rail lines

also, they will begin constructing tramways in the medium size cities
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Old September 17th, 2012, 10:36 AM   #4912
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How about answering the direct questions like - which trains actually serve the small stations on Guangzhou-Shenzhen railway, like Tiantangwei?

Now, example for suburban railways from Japan.

Odawara is connected to Tokyo with at least 4 railway lines.

Tokaido Shinkansen - 76,7 km Tokyo-Odawara. 2 intermediate stations (Shinagawa and Shin-Yokohama). 51,2 km railway between Shin-Yokohama and Odawara has no stations.

Tokaido Main Line - 83,9 km Tokyo-Odawara. 14 intermediate stations. Includes Shinagawa, but also Shimbashi station between Tokyo and Shinagawa. The station intervals go to as much as 12,1 km Yokohama-Totsuka.

Odakyu Odawara Line - originates at Shinjuku instead of Tokyo Station. Distance 82,5 km Shinjuku-Odawara. 45 intermediate stops. Longest station interval between Shibusawa and Shin-Matsuda is 6,2 km.

Oh, and there is the separate Tokaido Freight Line, too.

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Old September 17th, 2012, 11:50 PM   #4913
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Old September 18th, 2012, 07:10 AM   #4914
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Old September 21st, 2012, 01:56 PM   #4915
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If you go to Beijing South Railway Station over the National Day holiday, don't be surprised if the name has been changed into Beijingnan Railway Station.
The change is to comply with a regulation by the Ministry of Railways to standardize the English translation of names of rail stations.
The rule, in effect since Sept 1, requires the direction in the railway stations names to be spelled in pinyin as opposed to English.
"As an intrinsic part of the railway station's name, it is for the convenience of foreign friends and locals that the direction is spelled in pinyin," said Wang Bin, the publicity officer of the ministry.
But it may take some time for railway stations nationwide to change the names.
The signs at the railway stations and the names on the train tickets will also be changed, the ministry said.
Some experts applauded the changes, saying they implemented a nationwide standard while promoting Chinese characters and culture.
"To have one uniform translation standard is better than the co-existence of both 'south station' and 'nan station'," said Yang Quanhong, a linguist professor at the Sichuan International Studies University.
"One of the most important principles when it comes to translation is being faithful to the original," he said.
Yang said because pinyin is the official system to transcribe Chinese characters and is officially recognized by the United Nations, it helps promote Chinese culture.
Minzu University of China, for example, is a translation closer to its original, he said.
However, Yang also said it made more sense for foreigners if the English translation is also added along with pinyin.
Li Jinzhao, from Beijing Foreign Studies University, also said standardizing the railway station names with pinyin might be better for practical reasons.
"A taxi driver might not understand where Beijing South Railway Station is, but he definitely could drive you to the Beijingnan Railway Station," she said.
However, pinyin will not replace English spelling of subway stations in the capital, according to the Beijing Subway.
According to Sun Lijie, a publicity officer with the Beijing Subway, the name of a subway station, "Beijing South Railway Station" will not be changed.
Despite the railway's intention to provide more convenient services to foreign friends, those alien to the country's culture, especially characters and pinyin, don't really find the changes useful.
"Many people in the country speak simple English and it's not a big problem to find your way," said Abilio Santos, a 19-year-old student from the University of International Business and Economics, who came from Spain to China two weeks ago to study the Chinese language.
"For people like me, pinyin can better help foreign students with their Chinese language study."
He said translating all stations in the city with pinyin would not necessarily help foreigners.
"It's stupid if you refer to the Olympic Park as 'Aolinpikegongyuan', its pinyin translation," he said.
The public also questions if the changes are necessary.
"It doesn't fit an international city to translate its railway stations with local characters that hardly make sense to foreign tourists," said Gong Yu, a 26-year-old editor in the capital. "And I can't see why they decided to implement the changes at this time."
铁道部:火车站名英文拼写统一用汉语拼音
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你赞成火车站英文名改成汉语拼音吗?9月1日起,北京西站和北京南站发车的车票上的站名英文名悄然发生了变化,英文拼写变成了汉语拼音。之后,车站所有的相关站牌名也都会随之发生变化。

方位词统一用汉语拼音

日前,铁道部下发通知,为规范铁路车站站名的英文译法,铁路车站站名的英文拼写统一采用汉语拼音,“东南西北”方位词作为车站站名的固有部分,不按英文音译。涉及“地名+方向”的站名,方位词统一采用汉语拼音。如“北京西站”的英文翻译为“Beijingxi Railway Station”。

通知要求,车票票面上及其他有关站名的英文标注,按照上述原则,统一采用汉语拼音。

铁道部表示,站名中方位词已经按英文意译的站名牌及其他相关设施的更换改造,在短期内完成确有困难的,可逐步完成。

北京南站车票9月起已调整

记者昨天在北京南站发现,北京南站的LED显示屏上的北京南站的英文拼写已经全部变成汉语拼音,而车站南、北进站口的大字还没有改变,仍然是“Beijingsouth Railway Station”。

记者通过对比9月1日前后从北京南站发车的车票也发现,9月1日前北京南的英文名为“BeiJingSouth”,9月1日后北京南的英文名为“BeiJingNan”。

正在北京南站候车的王先生不太赞同站名英文名字的改动。他说,地铁4号线北京南站这一站的英文名是“Beijingsouth

Railway Station”,而北京南站的英文名是“Beijingnan Railway Station”,这样会给外籍乘客带来困扰,而且外国人是否懂中国的汉语拼音,也是个问题。
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For a foreigner studying Chinese, this could be helpful... IF they also included the English translation.

Most foreigners in China aren't there to study Chinese, they are there for business. They don't want to be bothered with learning that Aolinpikegongyuan is Olympic Park.


Also, how are you ever to find out that Beijingnan is Beijing South, if it no longer says anywhere that Beijingnan means Beijing South?



As a foreigner in China, I did experience how difficult it can be to get to places, when locals don't know what you mean when you say the English name, so I understand it makes sense to transliterate the Chinese name into Pinyin. However, an English translation is still needed, so you actually know what that Pinyin means.
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Old September 21st, 2012, 04:56 PM   #4917
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Well, what are the commuter services like?

How many passenger trains daily actually stop at, say, Tiantangwei Station?

I hear that there are trains called "pu kuai", having termini like, Shenzhen-Zhaoqing. What are their schedules like?
Before building the fourth track and introducing CRH1, I believe there was a one, or two, trains a day that stopped at each of the stations. Now, they stop only at Dongguan. Even though, there are facilities at other stations, the trains do not stop there (for passenger disembarking).

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On Shenzhen-Guangzhou, high speed railway and low speed railway are actually very far away from one another and do not meet at all south of Guangzhou North. (But the low speed railway Guangzhou-Zhaoqing surely has to cross the high speed railway somehow?
If you mean the newest high speed railway, the slow track crosses the high speed lines at Shenzhen North Station (spur line to Shenzhen West Station) and near Guangzhou Jiaokou (subway station).

If you mean the "old" CRH1 line, then the slow tracks run parallel to the conventional tracks. You can change the trains at Shenzhen, Dongguan or Guangzhou East stations.
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For a foreigner studying Chinese, this could be helpful... IF they also included the English translation.
I think this move is good. Pinyin is good enough. Many countries use the local names for railway stations and do not have any problems. There is Berlin Hauptbahnhof, Paris Gare du Nord, Roma Termini, and nobody has any problems with it. I'm all for it.

Pinyin actually can help foreigners. Try to explain to a taxi driver "east railway station" or just "dong zhan". Big difference.
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Pinyin actually can help foreigners. Try to explain to a taxi driver "east railway station" or just "dong zhan". Big difference.
Which is exactly what I said as well.



But their argument "It is good for people who are learning Chinese" doesn't fly if they completely take away the English name, because you still will not know what that Pinyin actually means.
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Number of Chinese holiday travelers to rise

BEIJING, Sept. 20 (Xinhua) -- More than 660 million people are expected to travel during the week-long National Day holiday starting Sept. 30, an increase of 8.8 percent from the same period last year, according to an official estimate.

He Jianzhong, spokesman for the Ministry of Transport, said Thursday that China's railways, highways and airlines will serve a daily average of 82.5 million travelers during the holiday, which lasts from Oct. 1 to 7.

The first and last days of the holiday will be especially busy, with many people leaving and returning. However, He forecast that the peak travel day is expected to fall on Sept. 30, adding that he expects 86 million people to travel that day.

He said more than 1.6 million people will travel by ship each day during the holiday.

Minibuses will be exempt from road tolls during the holiday, which may contribute to a sharp increase in travelers, especially those travelling via private car, said the spokesman.

He said that more than 840,000 buses with 20 million seats will be operating during the National Day holiday, also dubbed the "Golden Week."

Meanwhile, 21,000 ships with nearly 900,000 seats will be operating at full steam.

He urged inter-city bus drivers to strictly abide by established regulations, including resting every four hours while driving during the day time, not overloading vehicles and driving within posted speed limits.

The Ministry of Railways has made great efforts to make traveling easier, said the spokesman, noting that all train tickets can be booked online or by a telephone hotline.

Traveling by railway is the primary transportation mode for Chinese travelers.
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