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Old January 10th, 2013, 10:49 PM   #5041
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Jan-9 Reuters: Chinese Ministry of Railway (MOR) will be merged into Ministry of Tranport (MOT).
This is big news! Those are two of the largest ministries in the government. It will be a major reorganization of the national government. One benefit I see is that it will reduce factionalism and competition between modes of transport. With separate ministries for different transportation modes there was a fight for resources and regulations to favor one mode. Now, hopefully, the single minister will be able to more efficiently allocate resources between all transportation modes.

Combining ministries should also reduce staffing and cut costs.
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Old January 11th, 2013, 06:41 PM   #5042
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The two ministries are too big to merge in their current forms, I would guess that the railway bureaus will be spun off and form a state owned railway operating corporation.
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Old January 11th, 2013, 08:05 PM   #5043
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It definitely makes both political and economic sense to merge the two ministries for the long run. However, I am not sure the timing is right for now for a number of reasons.

First, there are still a lot of work outstanding to complete the national high-speed rail network. In fact, the current and next year will be the critical years to make this happen. A lot of efforts need to be focused on this to make this happen ranging from securing financing to actual construction and commissioning. So any large scale re-organization will no doubt create problem on this front.

Second, as mentioned in Hmmwv's post, the current ministries are way too big to combine together at their present form. There are a lot of so called "commercial" entities embeded within the ministries. The approaches or solutions on how to divest these entities out of the ministries will take time to sort out and I do not believe the central government has already figured out a plan to do that.

Third, high-speed railway transportation and its associated technologies/industrial bases are part of the core transformation strategy to move China to the next level of manufacturing value chain and national competitiveness. Although China and its industrial bases have accomplished a lot in the past ten years (no small achievement by any means), it is definitely far from being established. So major governmental focus and support (as the Chinese say it "whole nation's effort") are still needed to ensure this transformation and upgrade journey is completed.

Fourth, a major reason why the ministry of railway has been on its own since the founding of the republic was/is the importance of the rail network in the overall defense strategy of the nation. The Chinese military are very much embeded into all core operations of the ministry ranging from route planning, route construction, standards and even the management and operation of train schedules and routes. There are still military liason offices deployed at every control centers throughout the nation. All train routes and schedules will need to be agreed upon by the military before finalization. Again, I am not sure the military is ready to loosen their control and switch to a different mode of operation.

Having said all above, perhaps the Chinese governement has already invested and spent a lot of planning effort into this and is at a stage of readiness to execute according to plan. IMHO, they are not based on what little information is avaible on this front. In addition, bold preditions has been made by western media sources almost every time there was a leadership transition in China, and how many of them turned out to be true.

Just my personal two cents !

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Old January 12th, 2013, 05:42 AM   #5044
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It definitely makes both political and economic sense to merge the two ministries for the long run. However, I am not sure the timing is right for now for a number of reasons.

First, there are still a lot of work outstanding to complete the national high-speed rail network. In fact, the current and next year will be the critical years to make this happen. A lot of efforts need to be focused on this to make this happen ranging from securing financing to actual construction and commissioning. So any large scale re-organization will no doubt create problem on this front.

Second, as mentioned in Hmmwv's post, the current ministries are way too big to combine together at their present form. There are a lot of so called "commercial" entities embeded within the ministries. The approaches or solutions on how to divest these entities out of the ministries will take time to sort out and I do not believe the central government has already figured out a plan to do that.

Third, high-speed railway transportation and its associated technologies/industrial bases are part of the core transformation strategy to move China to the next level of manufacturing value chain and national competitiveness. Although China and its industrial bases have accomplished a lot in the past ten years (no small achievement by any means), it is definitely far from being established. So major governmental focus and support (as the Chinese say it "whole nation's effort") are still needed to ensure this transformation and upgrade journey is completed.

Fourth, a major reason why the ministry of railway has been on its own since the founding of the republic was/is the importance of the rail network in the overall defense strategy of the nation. The Chinese military are very much embeded into all core operations of the ministry ranging from route planning, route construction, standards and even the management and operation of train schedules and routes. There are still military liason offices deployed at every control centers throughout the nation. All train routes and schedules will need to be agreed upon by the military before finalization. Again, I am not sure the military is ready to loosen their control and switch to a different mode of operation.

Having said all above, perhaps the Chinese governement has already invested and spent a lot of planning effort into this and is at a stage of readiness to execute according to plan. IMHO, they are not based on what little information is avaible on this front. In addition, bold preditions has been made by western media sources almost every time there was a leadership transition in China, and how many of them turned out to be true.

Just my personal two cents !
For #1 HSR should be planned together with expressways and new airports as a whole. While focusing is important for large project funding and implementaion, closer cooperation and complementation are equally, if not more important.

For #3 I recently watched a documentary showing the inefficiency of domestic logistics concerning the much needed cooperation between rail and road transport. The ministry combination will definitely serve the purpose of digging the potentials of the new traffic pattern and improving manufacturing efficiency and national competitiveness.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 06:23 PM   #5045
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CSR wins Argentina train set contract

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BEIJING, Jan. 12 (Xinhua) -- CSR Sifang Co. said Saturday that the company has obtained a contract worth over 3.4 billion yuan (539.68 million U.S. dollars) to supply electric multiple unit (EMU) train sets for Argentina.

The deal represents CSR's single largest rail equipment order in South America, the company said in a statement filed to the Shanghai Stock Exchange.

CSR Sifang is expected to deliver the first batch of train sets in May 2014, with the remainder to be delivered in six months.

The EMU train sets will be used on the Sarmiento and Mitre train routes in Buenos Aires, the statement said.

CSR Sifang, based in the port city of Qingdao, is a subsidiary of China South Locomotive and Rolling Stock Corporation, the country's biggest train maker.

CSR's overseas orders increased substantially in 2012, as overseas demand for its products outstripped domestic demand. The total value of its overseas orders surged 148 percent year on year in 2012.
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Old January 12th, 2013, 10:29 PM   #5046
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For #1 HSR should be planned together with expressways and new airports as a whole. While focusing is important for large project funding and implementaion, closer cooperation and complementation are equally, if not more important.

For #3 I recently watched a documentary showing the inefficiency of domestic logistics concerning the much needed cooperation between rail and road transport. The ministry combination will definitely serve the purpose of digging the potentials of the new traffic pattern and improving manufacturing efficiency and national competitiveness.
Not disagreeing with the need, just questioning the timing of it. There is just too many things that need to be sorted out before this can happen.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 12:10 PM   #5047
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Following CAAC's precedent of forming airline corporations in 1988, the current MOR could let go of its operations department and form three railway operating companies based on its existing brands, CRH (铁路高速, HSR), State Railway (国铁, conventional passenger rail), China Rail Freight (中铁货运, freight and logistics). Everything else of the ministry has already been corporationized, such as various research institutes, construction corps, and equipment manufacturers.
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Old January 17th, 2013, 06:47 AM   #5048
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1.16 Chengdu-Shanghai direct train opens

This is the fastest train between Chengdu and Shanghai, shortening travel time by 8 hours.



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Old January 17th, 2013, 06:56 AM   #5049
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Old January 17th, 2013, 07:18 AM   #5050
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1.16 Chengdu-Shanghai direct train opens

This is the fastest train between Chengdu and Shanghai, shortening travel time by 8 hours.

--Weibo.com
Thank you, big-dog, for the pictures. Previous fastest train, K1157/1156, made this 2,100km route in over 29 hours. What did they do to speed up this connection?
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Old January 17th, 2013, 08:19 AM   #5051
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new train (25T) and less stops.

BTW the new Z121/Z124 are all sleeper coaches with catering coach in the middle of the train.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 04:17 AM   #5052
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China to invest 650bln RMB in rail network in 2013.

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BEIJING, Jan. 18 (Xinhuanet) -- China's railway construction boom looks to continue in 2013. The government plans to invest 650 billion yuan, or 103.6 billion U.S. dollars in railway construction this year, up slightly from the 630 billion yuan spent in 2012.

The ministry will diversify financing channels by encouraging local governments, enterprises and private investors to participate in railway construction. A national railway development fund will also be established as an investment platform for social and private capital. In a guideline issued last May, the ministry vowed to offer fair treatment for private railway investors.

This year, new railways totalling 5,200 kilometers will go into operation. Analysts see continued investment in the rail system - the kind that shielded China from the worst of the financial crisis - are necessary for continued growth. But this comes at a cost - China's railways ministry is one of the biggest borrowers in the country, with debt of some 300 billion U.S. dollars at the end of 2012.
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Old January 18th, 2013, 04:31 PM   #5053
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What happened to plans to bring in Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia and other neighbouring countries into China's railway network? Are those plans on on still and what stage are they at? Also, is there scope for cross border trade booming thanks to growth in railways at border areas?
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Old January 18th, 2013, 06:39 PM   #5054
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new train (25T) and less stops.

BTW the new Z121/Z124 are all sleeper coaches with catering coach in the middle of the train.
Yup that's the brand new revised 25T design.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 04:54 AM   #5055
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Railway Photography

Fengtai-Shacheng railway (near Beijing) after the weekend snow



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Old January 21st, 2013, 11:44 AM   #5056
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What happened to plans to bring in Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia and other neighbouring countries into China's railway network? Are those plans on on still and what stage are they at? Also, is there scope for cross border trade booming thanks to growth in railways at border areas?
Are you talking about Trans-Asian Railway (TAR)?

There are 3 links of TAR China section, all starting from Kunming, Yunnan Province:

West link: Kunming to Myanmar
Middle link: Kunming to Laos
East link: Kunming to Vietnam


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West link: Kunming to Myanmar
  • Kunming-Dalin railway is operational
  • 12/4/2012 Dali-Baoshan-Ruili (Myanmar border) is under construction
    329.379km, Dali-Baoshan section is 75% completed
  • 12/30/2012 Guangtong-Dali double line renovation started
    174.34km, 13.93bln yuan, completes in May 2017
Middle link: Kunming to Laos
  • Kunming-Yuxi railway is operational
  • Yuxi-Mohan (Laos boder) railway is at preparation stage
    504km
East link: Kunming to Vietnam
  • Kunming-Yuxi railway is operational
  • Yuxi-Mengzi railway completed at the end of 2012
  • 1/3/2013 Mengzi-Hekou (Vietnam border) railway tracklaying started
    141km, 6.93 bln yuan, design speed 120km/h
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Old January 21st, 2013, 12:02 PM   #5057
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Are you talking about Trans-Asian Railway (TAR)?

There are 3 links of TAR China section, all starting from Kunming, Yunnan Province:

West link: Kunming to Myanmar
Middle link: Kunming to Laos
East link: Kunming to Vietnam
Why all only from Yunnan?

China now has 2 railway links to Vietnam: a 1000 mm railway to Yunnan, and a 1435 mm one to Guangxi via Pingxiang.

Are there any plans to build new and faster railways between Vietnam and Guangxi? Whether new parallel lines via Pingxiang, or new lines elsewhere, like Fangchenggang?
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Old January 21st, 2013, 12:15 PM   #5058
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yes Nanning (Guangxi Province)-Pingxiang-Vietnam rail has been opened for a while but it's not part of TAR project.

2nd rail link between Guangxi and Vietnam, Debao-Jingxi (Vietnam border) railway was opened on 12/30/2012.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 05:51 PM   #5059
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The construction of Lhasa-Xigaze Railway,Jan 2013.

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Are you talking about Trans-Asian Railway (TAR)?

There are 3 links of TAR China section, all starting from Kunming, Yunnan Province:

West link: Kunming to Myanmar
Middle link: Kunming to Laos
East link: Kunming to Vietnam


wiki map

Update:

West link: Kunming to Myanmar
  • Kunming-Dalin railway is operational
  • 12/4/2012 Dali-Baoshan-Ruili (Myanmar border) is under construction
    329.379km, Dali-Baoshan section is 75% completed
  • 12/30/2012 Guangtong-Dali double line renovation started
    174.34km, 13.93bln yuan, completes in May 2017
Middle link: Kunming to Laos
  • Kunming-Yuxi railway is operational
  • Yuxi-Mohan (Laos boder) railway is at preparation stage
    504km
East link: Kunming to Vietnam
  • Kunming-Yuxi railway is operational
  • Yuxi-Mengzi railway opened at the end of 2012
  • 1/3/2013 Mengzi-Hekou (Vietnam border) railway tracklaying started
    141km, 6.93 bln yuan, design speed 120km/h
Standard gauge or meter gauge?
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