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Old September 15th, 2013, 07:12 AM   #5421
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Ooo yeah Even riskier than the one being fancied.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 07:29 AM   #5422
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I don't believe anybody devised a double gauge transfer
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Like the line linking Chongqing and Duisburg, the Zhengzhou-Europe railway has to change gauges twice, a feat that is accomplished by crane.

The first transfer is a change to the Russian broad gauge line at the Alataw Pass on the border between China and Kazakhstan. The second is a transfer to standard gauge at the Poland-Belarus border.
... unless, however, by "double gauge transfer" you mean the following cannot be practiced in -uhm- business:



At any rate, those Asian places there really ought to set about at excelling in diplomacy, otherwise the Urumqi route will remain forever doomed. Even Russia can't overcome its defensive stance by sorting out its gauge impediment. All in all as it currently stands, it would make for the crappiest of investments
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Old September 15th, 2013, 08:01 AM   #5423
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On Chinese side, I'd make politic measures to obtain back a part of Russian Far East, cause year by year population is dropping, & around 2030 year will drop to 3-4 million only (now 6). It is a good chance for China now attract poor people of Russia there on her side. After this, they can build railways anywhere till even Japan.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 04:47 PM   #5424
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One of the daftest ideas around ... so many would-be saboteurs along much of this wished route ... and what's with the repetitious gauge changes ... must be a crummy news outlet writing that one

Better off sticking with the trans-Siberian line ... hell, even the parallel Mongolian segment's worthier
The Central Asian countries have a vested interest in this line. The article mentioned Kazakhstan was particularly interested, as it will make imports and exports far easier. They don't get any benefits from a Siberian rail line, and they certainly don't want over-reliance on Russia. Ironically, this over-reliance argument is a major reason why Mongolia wants to strengthen its infrastructure with Russia rather than have its minerals reach out to the world through China.

None of those Central Asian countries are in turmoil like Afghanistan and Iraq. Seems like some readers have a crummy knowledge of geopolitics and current events.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 05:57 PM   #5425
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What part of "wait" can you not understand ... or maybe better yet, what's discernable between news whiteout and blackout, right ...
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Old September 15th, 2013, 07:05 PM   #5426
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What's up with the altitude, trainrover? Take it easy. It is only a logistical train service. It is more like trial operation on existing lines.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 07:54 PM   #5427
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He's not capable of giving a more intelligent contribution to SSC anyway. No need to lose sweat over how these blokes work.

It would be silly to run a single line from end to end on this new Europe-Asia route anyway. It won't work from a logistical efficiency perspective. I envision shorter lines that will still connect through Central Asia, which would make changing gauges twice or more not necessary. I suspect the Kazakhs see that opportunity to build themselves as a transfer traffic hub.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 08:35 PM   #5428
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More? You must be greedier than I'd have cared to suppose ... or lazier, coz lobbing the topic in the corresponding inter-country thread would've been exciting ...
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Old September 15th, 2013, 08:46 PM   #5429
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More? You must be greedier than I'd have cared to suppose ... or lazier, coz lobbing the topic in the corresponding inter-country thread would've been exciting ...
Don't see why an international railway which includes connecting China and having China pay for part of the construction should not be discussed in the China thread. If you think otherwise, I wonder why you posted an article on increased US inspections on US railways in the Canada Railways thread with a faint reference to Lac Megantic despite the fact the inspections are not part of the disaster's investigation or how trains travel on Canadian soil.

Had you been not so lazy but to actually read the contents of the China Daily article, you would quickly realize it has more to do with the Chinese side, especially the impact on Chongqing and Zhengzhou, than an international one, thus here it is in this thread.

Feel free to cross-post in the Eurasia thread.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 09:08 PM   #5430
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One of the daftest ideas around ... so many would-be saboteurs along much of this wished route ... and what's with the repetitious gauge changes ... must be a crummy news outlet writing that one

Better off sticking with the trans-Siberian line ... hell, even the parallel Mongolian segment's worthier
Man someone needs to go out and see the world more often.

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It would be silly to run a single line from end to end on this new Europe-Asia route anyway. It won't work from a logistical efficiency perspective. I envision shorter lines that will still connect through Central Asia, which would make changing gauges twice or more not necessary. I suspect the Kazakhs see that opportunity to build themselves as a transfer traffic hub.
Exactly, if the project was just for Sino-EU Freight only then it would be like the keystone XL pipeline; Only the ends of the line support it and everyone else on the ROW is against it. However it is not the case for the "new silk road", everyone can use it. That is why the countries on the route support it, a lot of countries want to trade with other countries on the line, particularity with China (just like the old silk road).

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What's up with the altitude, trainrover? Take it easy. It is only a logistical train service. It is more like trial operation on existing lines.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 09:47 PM   #5431
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No sweat ... your dismissiveness of both my informative indexing of and fun ridiculing the exposé of shortsighted, greedy powerbrokers' being caught red-handed is quite acceptable although, I would hardly refer to a matter whereat the FBI is willingly complying with Le Sûreté du Québec's investigative requests faint ...
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Old September 15th, 2013, 09:49 PM   #5432
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No sweat ... your dismissiveness of both my informative indexing of and fun ridiculing the exposé of shortsighted, greedy powerbrokers' being caught red-handed is quite acceptable
You should stop looking at yourself in the mirror.
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Old September 15th, 2013, 09:57 PM   #5433
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It's 1-way, no reflection necessary ... besides, you really needn't muddle me in with that awfully vain, unclassy Montrealer habit of obsessing himself with his appearance in the nearest available reflection
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Old September 16th, 2013, 12:10 AM   #5434
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... unless, however, by "double gauge transfer" you mean the following cannot be practiced in -uhm- business:

Home Made Dual Guage Points
Home Made? Says it all ...
You could always ask the Australians what they think of multi-gauge lines. The Chinese have had the good sense to put them in a museum.

BTW do you know how many times goods were transferred from one (camel) train to another along the original Silk Road?
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China's Guangxi becoming hub for China-ASEAN trade
9 September 2013
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NANNING -- Over the past decade, China has been striving to build the remote Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region into an international transportation hub that can support the increasingly frequent exchanges between China and the ASEAN.

China and the ASEAN established a strategic partnership in 2003, and the two sides have witnessed their bilateral trade volume increase fivefold and the scale of two-way investment expand threefold since then.

Serving as a gateway to the ASEAN, Guangxi has played an important role in improving transportation connecting the two sides and boosting bilateral trade and exchanges.

Early in 2005, an expressway linking Nanning, capital city of Guangxi, and Friendship Pass, a pass bordering Vietnam, was put into use, marking the first highway that connects China and the ASEAN countries.

Over the past decade, extensive highway construction has taken place in the region to give more cities of the ASEAN member countries better access to Guangxi. Approval has been granted in the region to 28 international roads, 11 of which have been opened for freight and passenger transport.

The first train route linking Nanning and Hanoi, Vietnam's capital, has served more than 130,000 passengers since it started running in 2009.

The Debao-Jingxi Railway, the second train line linking Guangxi and Vietnam, which opened in December, 2012, has also played a great role in boosting bilateral trade.

In addition, Guangxi now has 12 international airlines with regular flights flying to major cities of eight ASEAN countries. The region is now trying to speed up construction of airport facilities and open to more international airlines.

Meanwhile, the port cluster in the Beibu Gulf now has more than 30 container shipment routes that link over 200 global ports. Its handling capacity hit 174 million tonnes last year, making it a new highlight in China-ASEAN cooperation.(XBW)
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Old September 22nd, 2013, 02:35 AM   #5438
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very pretty.
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Old September 27th, 2013, 11:37 AM   #5439
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September 26th

636 km Xiangtang-Putian Railway opens


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12.11 Xiangtang-Putian Railway (向莆铁路) tracklaying completed, opening in September 2013

-- 中国铁路

Length: 635.861km
Design Speed: 200km/h
Stations: 24

Xiangtang-Putian Railway connects Jiangxi Province directly to Fujian Province, providing a 3-hour seaport access to inland province of Jiangxi. With its opening Nanchang to Fuzhou's travel time will be reduced from current 11 hours to 3.5 hours.



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Old September 29th, 2013, 03:36 AM   #5440
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Thats a lot of time savings from 11 to 3.5 hours
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