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Old September 29th, 2013, 01:00 PM   #5441
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Hi guys, I have a burning question that I'd like to resolve...

I intend to travel to Hunchun City in Jilin Province (and then on to Fangchuan Township) next year. Fangchuan Town is rather well known for being the tri-point where Russia, China and DPRK meet. My trip there is to experience and conduct sightseeing of the Yanbian Korean Autonomous Region.

I have so far planned the following... All train trips are on different dates.


T 0271: Beijing (北京站) → Jilin (吉林站)
K 7369: Jilin (吉林站) → Tumen (图们站 · 도문역)
—————Tumen-Hunchun—————
—————Hunchun-Tumen—————
K 7374: Tumen (图们站 · 도문역) → Yanji (延吉站 · 연길역)
K 7368: Yanji (延吉站 · 연길역) → Changchun (长春站)
Z 0062: Changchun (长春站) → Beijing (北京站)

The main break is between Tumen and Hunchun v.v., but I understand that Hunchun has a railway station. There are also online news sites which report that services between Hunchun and the Russian Far East have commenced. However, I am unable to find trains from Tumen to Hunchun v.v. or any where else in China from Hunchun for that matter.

Could someone advise me on how I might be able to conduct the Tumen — Hunchun journey by rail? Is there really no thru-connection?
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Old October 5th, 2013, 04:16 AM   #5442
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China's railways see record traffic

BEIJING, Oct. 1 (Xinhua) -- China's railways carried a record high of 10.33 million passengers on Tuesday, the first day of the seven-day national holiday, according to China Railway Corporation.

The volume marked a year-on-year increase of 13 percent, the corporation said.

To cope with surging demands during the period, China has put thirty-one pairs of additional trains into temporary service.

The Ministry of Transport expects more than 610 million passengers to travel on roads and waterways during the period.
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Old October 5th, 2013, 10:43 AM   #5443
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Hi guys, I have a burning question that I'd like to resolve...

I intend to travel to Hunchun City in Jilin Province (and then on to Fangchuan Township) next year. Fangchuan Town is rather well known for being the tri-point where Russia, China and DPRK meet. My trip there is to experience and conduct sightseeing of the Yanbian Korean Autonomous Region.

I have so far planned the following... All train trips are on different dates.


T 0271: Beijing (北京站) → Jilin (吉林站)
K 7369: Jilin (吉林站) → Tumen (图们站 · 도문역)
—————Tumen-Hunchun—————
—————Hunchun-Tumen—————
K 7374: Tumen (图们站 · 도문역) → Yanji (延吉站 · 연길역)
K 7368: Yanji (延吉站 · 연길역) → Changchun (长春站)
Z 0062: Changchun (长春站) → Beijing (北京站)

The main break is between Tumen and Hunchun v.v., but I understand that Hunchun has a railway station. There are also online news sites which report that services between Hunchun and the Russian Far East have commenced. However, I am unable to find trains from Tumen to Hunchun v.v. or any where else in China from Hunchun for that matter.

Could someone advise me on how I might be able to conduct the Tumen — Hunchun journey by rail? Is there really no thru-connection?
Hmmm..
You can get Yanji (Hunchun) from Vladivostok (Russia, need a visa). You can get 吉林 or 长春 by plane, after 延吉 by train. There are a lot of buses or taxi from 延吉 Rail Hub to any where up to the border (better, if day time). Buses are some tens of RMB, taxi around 100. From 1 to 2 hours route.
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Old October 5th, 2013, 01:59 PM   #5444
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Hi guys, I have a burning question that I'd like to resolve...

I intend to travel to Hunchun City in Jilin Province (and then on to Fangchuan Township) next year. Fangchuan Town is rather well known for being the tri-point where Russia, China and DPRK meet. My trip there is to experience and conduct sightseeing of the Yanbian Korean Autonomous Region.

I have so far planned the following... All train trips are on different dates.


T 0271: Beijing (北京站) → Jilin (吉林站)
K 7369: Jilin (吉林站) → Tumen (图们站 · 도문역)
—————Tumen-Hunchun—————
—————Hunchun-Tumen—————
K 7374: Tumen (图们站 · 도문역) → Yanji (延吉站 · 연길역)
K 7368: Yanji (延吉站 · 연길역) → Changchun (长春站)
Z 0062: Changchun (长春站) → Beijing (北京站)

The main break is between Tumen and Hunchun v.v., but I understand that Hunchun has a railway station. There are also online news sites which report that services between Hunchun and the Russian Far East have commenced. However, I am unable to find trains from Tumen to Hunchun v.v. or any where else in China from Hunchun for that matter.

Could someone advise me on how I might be able to conduct the Tumen — Hunchun journey by rail? Is there really no thru-connection?
1. Beijing South to Tanggu by CRH, 56 minutes
2. Boat to Dalian, 13 hours, usually depart at 6pm, service may be available only in peak seasons, this year from late August
3. Dalian to Jilin by CRH, 4 hours
4. Jilin to Yanji or Tumen by train, 7 hours
5. From Yanji to Hunchun, no passenger train right now
6. On the Russian side, the town near China border is Kraskino, the train station serving the town is called Makhalino, the town near Korea is called Hasan, as of this September, there are one or two local trains daily from Ussuriysk to the Korean border. Train 5090 runs daily to Hasan, train 652 to Tumengan only on Sep. 1, 7, 11, 18, 22, 23 & 27, 2013.

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Old October 5th, 2013, 03:29 PM   #5445
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He's better not go by train, but plane Beijing - Yonggei (Yanji) directly (just 1,5 hours around, around USD100-150, less as for rail), after buses or taxi (a lot a day time).
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Old October 5th, 2013, 10:42 PM   #5446
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It looks like he wants to go all the way by train,
stopping at the various towns he listed.
Problem is the gap between Tumen - Hunchun.
There used to be a train there, there ought to be
a train to service the Hunchun special economic zone.
There is under construction a new HSR line Changchun - Tumen - Hunchun.
The interwebs are not revealing to me what happened to this train.
Maybe for the few kilometres he'll have to take a bus
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Old October 6th, 2013, 10:34 AM   #5447
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Not sure if some one posted this old news already in this forum. But it
seems to be interesting to (classical) train and geography buffs.
There is a recently opened K train route K1124 from Harbin to Haikou.
It takes 2 days 17 hours 42 minutes to cover 4458 km. Since
winter temperature in Harbin easily gets to -35 C and that in Haikou
+25C, it ought to be the single train run that spans the biggest temperature difference in the world: 60C or more. Am I right?
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Old October 6th, 2013, 11:11 PM   #5448
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Does Paul Theroux know about this?
Take off the last three hours for the ferry crossing,
but a T train is faster on a similar run, T36/37
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Old October 7th, 2013, 09:42 AM   #5449
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I am not sure if he knows. He did not go to China in 1975 during his
journey from UK to Japan and back. Some one should write about
train journeys around China. A few years ago, there was a Japanese
TV series on a young actor spending several months traveling around China by train. This train ride from Harbin to Haikou could also be a
theme for an action movies, such as 007, Mission impossible....
Imagine the hero and his companion chasing the villain for 2 and half
days, going from a subarctic locale to a palm lined beach, passing big cities with towering skyscrapers and tiny villages, crossing white frozen rivers and green tropical waters.

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Old October 7th, 2013, 11:13 AM   #5450
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Does Paul Theroux know about this?
Take off the last three hours for the ferry crossing,
but a T train is faster on a similar run, T36/37
Not just the 3 hours for ferry crossing - Guangzhou-Haian is also slow.

Long trains to Guangzhou:
Harbin-Guangzhou East
T238, via Changsha, 3647 km, 1:13:34
K1124, via Nanchang, 3656 km, 2:04:02, goes on to Haikou
Urumqi-Guangzhou
T36, 4684 km, 2:04:04
Lhasa-Guangzhou
T266, 4980 km, 2:06:57
From Guangzhou to Haikou:
T201, from Beijing to Sanya, 794 km, 10:30
K511, from Shanghai, 11:16
K404, from Changsha, 11:40
K1167, from Xian, 13:05
K1121, from Harbin, 13:25.
Hm, not counting the ferry, these 601 km Guangzhou-Xuwen take from 7:30 on T201 to 10:22 on K1121. Doesn´t it look like an obvious need for a HSR?
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Old October 7th, 2013, 11:26 AM   #5451
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Riding the Iron Rooster, ISBN-13: 978-0804104548
Shanghai Express, starring Marlene Dietrich, dir. Josef von Stermberg 1932
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Old October 7th, 2013, 11:50 AM   #5452
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Riding the Iron Rooster, ISBN-13: 978-0804104548
Shanghai Express, starring Marlene Dietrich, dir. Josef von Stermberg 1932
Back in early 1930s, before a new rail ferry on Yangtze, the trip time had been 44 hours.
What was the travel time Beijing-Shanghai on opening of the direct service, in 1913?
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Old October 7th, 2013, 09:50 PM   #5453
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Too long for some of us. It only ran once a week, and there were no stops for 网吧
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Old October 8th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #5454
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Back in early 1930s, before a new rail ferry on Yangtze, the trip time had been 44 hours.
What was the travel time Beijing-Shanghai on opening of the direct service, in 1913?
You mean when direct service was established in 1933? According to the original 1933 timetable the whole trip takes a little less than 36 hours.

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Old October 9th, 2013, 03:24 AM   #5455
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According to the original 1933 timetable the whole trip takes a little less than 36 hours.

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_643d9f1b0100yh9t.html
The timetable shown there appears to be from before (23 years before?) the 1934 Pukou - Nanking train ferry opened. Note the time Beijing - Pukou 31 hours, and Pukou - Beijing 34 hours, but this is described in the text as not an "Express".
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Old October 9th, 2013, 04:16 AM   #5456
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T 0271: Beijing (北京站) → Jilin (吉林站)
K 7369: Jilin (吉林站) → Tumen (图们站 · 도문역)
—————Tumen-Hunchun—————
—————Hunchun-Tumen—————
K 7374: Tumen (图们站 · 도문역) → Yanji (延吉站 · 연길역)
K 7368: Yanji (延吉站 · 연길역) → Changchun (长春站)
Z 0062: Changchun (长春站) → Beijing (北京站)
Quail's China Railway Atlas 3rd edition 2008
lists the Tumen - Hunchun line as freight only.
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Old October 9th, 2013, 08:39 PM   #5457
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The timetable shown there appears to be from before (23 years before?) the 1934 Pukou - Nanking train ferry opened. Note the time Beijing - Pukou 31 hours, and Pukou - Beijing 34 hours, but this is described in the text as not an "Express".
You are correct, that's the old timetable, when Pukou-Nanjing ferry opened in Nov 1933 the travel time is reduced from almost 44 hours to less than 36 hours.
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Old October 10th, 2013, 01:26 AM   #5458
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Not just the 3 hours for ferry crossing - Guangzhou-Haian is also slow.
i thought there were plans to put a bridge or tunnel to both rail and vehicles between hainan and guang dong. what happened to these plans?
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Old October 10th, 2013, 09:43 AM   #5459
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You mean when direct service was established in 1933?
No, I mean the opening of the rail line in 1912...1913. Did the express trains on Beijing-Pukou line line up with expresses on Nanjing-Shanghai line, for the passenger ferry connection?
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Old October 10th, 2013, 10:08 AM   #5460
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Beijing - Pukou ~1150km/31hrs = 37km/hr
Nanjing - Shanghai ~300km/37 = 8hr and a few minutes
From the claimed time of 44 hour subtract (31+8)
leaves a bit under 5 hours to get everyone off one train,
across the river and onto the next train. Sounds like
there's time to snatch an instant noodle pot there too.
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