daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Railways

Railways (Inter)national commuter and freight trains



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old March 4th, 2014, 01:38 PM   #5541
chornedsnorkack
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,978
Likes (Received): 388

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pansori View Post
I wonder, however, if there will be any under 7 hour services between Shenzhen/Guangzhou and Shanghai once the missing parts of 350km/h track are built between Changsha and Shanghai? It just doesn't seem right not to have direct G train services between PRD and Shanghai.
It looks wrong even now. There are 2 daily G trains Guangzhou-Jinan via Wuhan, Hefei and Bengbu - G276 and G280 - and G280 goes all the way to Qingdao with total trip time 12:37. But no G trains Guangzhou-Wuhan-Nanjing or Guangzhou-Wuhan-Shanghai.
chornedsnorkack está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old March 4th, 2014, 06:33 PM   #5542
Pansori
planquadrat
 
Pansori's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: London - Vilnius
Posts: 9,973
Likes (Received): 6911

Quote:
Originally Posted by chornedsnorkack View Post
It looks wrong even now. There are 2 daily G trains Guangzhou-Jinan via Wuhan, Hefei and Bengbu - G276 and G280 - and G280 goes all the way to Qingdao with total trip time 12:37. But no G trains Guangzhou-Wuhan-Nanjing or Guangzhou-Wuhan-Shanghai.
You're right. Guangzhou-Shanghai probably wouldn't take more than 10 hours and technically there should be no reason not to have such service via Wuhan.

I guess the reason is that there are very few passengers who would actually go all the way from Guangzhou to Shanghai. 10 hours (that's what it would take from Guangzhou to Shanghai with a G train via Wuhan ) is just not competitive with air transport. Average speed is around 200km/h (which is pretty good but still it just takes too long). So perhaps it is understandable why there are no G or D services between Guangzhou/Shenzhen and Shanghai besides the Coastal Corridor.

Once Hangzhou-Changsha is completed the distance between Guangzhou and Shanghai will be 1700km. A G train service going at 310km/h max could do an average speed of up to 270km/h which means that the journey would take 6.5 hours. If one day the speed will come back to originally used 350km/h then it could take perhaps just 5 hours and 30-40 minutes. That would get to a level where it could be competitive with airlines and would actually make sense having at least one or two G services with few stops.
Pansori no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 4th, 2014, 07:10 PM   #5543
chornedsnorkack
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,978
Likes (Received): 388

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pansori View Post
You're right. Guangzhou-Shanghai probably wouldn't take more than 10 hours and technically there should be no reason not to have such service via Wuhan.

I guess the reason is that there are very few passengers who would actually go all the way from Guangzhou to Shanghai. 10 hours (that's what it would take from Guangzhou to Shanghai with a G train via Wuhan ) is just not competitive with air transport. Average speed is around 200km/h (which is pretty good but still it just takes too long). So perhaps it is understandable why there are no G or D services between Guangzhou/Shenzhen and Shanghai besides the Coastal Corridor.
Not by comparison.

Wuhan-Guangzhou: distance nominally 1069 km, actually by new line 969 km. Fastest time 3:39 (2 trains)
Wuhan-Xian: distance nominally 1050 km
Fastest time 4:00 (G96)
Wuhan-Beijing: distance nominally 1229 km
Fastest time 4:19 (G66)
Wuhan-Taiyuan: distance nominally 1172 km
Fastest time 5:31 (G622)
Wuhan-Jinan: distance 956 km
Fastest time 5:18 (G258)
Wuhan-Shanghai: distance 811 km
Fastest time 4:59 (G578)

Service frequency:
Guangzhou-Wuhan-Xian: 7 direct trains daily, 7:40 (G96) to 9:22 (G840)
Guangzhou-Wuhan-Beijing: 5 direct trains daily, 8:00 (G66) to 9:54 (G68)
Guangzhou-Wuhan-Jinan: 2 direct trains daily, 9:47 (G276) and 9:58 (G280)
Guangzhou-Wuhan-Taiyuan: 1 direct train daily, 9:36 (G622)
Guangzhou-Shanghai: no service

Even if the trains do take over 9 hours, seeing that both trains Guangzhou-Jinan and also all trains Guangzhou-Xian and Guangzhou-Beijing save one express on each line do the same, it should be an option for Guangzhou-Shanghai as well. Yet it is not.
chornedsnorkack está en línea ahora   Reply With Quote
Old March 8th, 2014, 09:28 AM   #5544
flankerjun
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Shenyang/Wuhan
Posts: 461
Likes (Received): 1230

those 9600KW powerful locomotives,HXD2B AND HXD3B



__________________

Equario, big-dog, geometarkv liked this post
flankerjun no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 8th, 2014, 10:55 AM   #5545
flankerjun
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Shenyang/Wuhan
Posts: 461
Likes (Received): 1230

NEW HXD3D,very very new one.
__________________

foxmulder, geometarkv liked this post
flankerjun no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 8th, 2014, 11:10 AM   #5546
flankerjun
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Shenyang/Wuhan
Posts: 461
Likes (Received): 1230



A CAT under the locomotives
__________________

CP11, foxmulder, Equario, geometarkv liked this post
flankerjun no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 9th, 2014, 09:27 AM   #5547
Pansori
planquadrat
 
Pansori's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: London - Vilnius
Posts: 9,973
Likes (Received): 6911

Quote:
Originally Posted by flankerjun View Post
NEW HXD3D,very very new one.
How does it differ from HXD3B?
Pansori no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 9th, 2014, 10:00 AM   #5548
flankerjun
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Shenyang/Wuhan
Posts: 461
Likes (Received): 1230

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pansori View Post
How does it differ from HXD3B?
HXD3B is a cargo locomotive,with a top speed of 120km/H,power 9600KW,it is one of the most powerful locomotives.HXD3D is a passenger locomotives,with a top speed of 160KM/H,power 7200KW,and has the ability to supply power(DC600V) to the coach.
for the technology,HXD3B is from bombardier,HXD3D is a mix of Toshiba and Chinese own technology.
flankerjun no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 9th, 2014, 10:08 AM   #5549
flankerjun
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Shenyang/Wuhan
Posts: 461
Likes (Received): 1230

to tell the cargo and passenger locomotive,the best way is to look at the face of locomotives.the two red things in the face is the socket to supply power,with a output DC600V,BUT cargo ones do not have these things.
__________________

foxmulder, 3737 liked this post
flankerjun no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 14th, 2014, 12:28 PM   #5550
dimlys1994
Moderator
 
dimlys1994's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Dniepropetrovsk
Posts: 16,343
Likes (Received): 26132

From Railway Gazette:

Quote:
http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/i...ge-begins.html

Construction of 2·2 km Amur bridge begins
14 Mar 2014









ASIA: A ceremony on February 26 officially launched construction of a 2 209 m railway bridge across the River Amur or Heilong between Nizhneleninskoye in Russian's Jewish Autonomous Oblast and Tongjiang in China's Heilongjiang province. Construction is expected to take 2½ years, for opening in December 2016.

The bridge is intended to provide a much shorter rail route between the regions to support growing traffic between China and Russia, and will have a greater capacity than the existing ships and seasonal pontoon road crossing. Traffic is predicted to start at 5·2 million tonnes/year and grow to 20 million tonnes/year.

The bridge has been designed by Institut Giprostroymost to meet both Russian and Chinese standards. It will carry gauntletted 1 435 mm and 1 520 mm gauge tracks, offset by 800 mm and thus allowing only a single train to cross at once.

The two governments signed an agreement to build the bridge in October 2008.

Heilongjiang province and China Railway Corp will provide US$422m for the Chinese portion of the bridge and associated works, while Russia's Far East & Baikal Region Development Fund is supporting the US$500m cost of works on the Russian side. This will include an upgrade of the branch to Nizhneleninskoye from Birobidzhan on the Trans-Siberian line
__________________

big-dog, CP11, Tk.Alv-87, geometarkv liked this post
dimlys1994 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 14th, 2014, 03:35 PM   #5551
Cosmicbliss
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Small towns enthusiast
Posts: 4,913
Likes (Received): 368

How much trade/people to people contact exists between the border areas of Russia and China?
Cosmicbliss no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 15th, 2014, 08:40 AM   #5552
flankerjun
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Shenyang/Wuhan
Posts: 461
Likes (Received): 1230

NEWS:yesterday China had succeed in pulling 31500-tons with four locomotives.this train has totally 315 C80 freight cars.
flankerjun no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 15th, 2014, 07:28 PM   #5553
Surel
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 2,702
Likes (Received): 2155

Quote:
Originally Posted by dimlys1994 View Post
From Railway Gazette:
Quote:
ASIA: A ceremony on February 26 officially launched construction of a 2 209 m railway bridge across the River Amur or Heilong between Nizhneleninskoye in Russian's Jewish Autonomous Oblast and Tongjiang in China's Heilongjiang province. Construction is expected to take 2½ years, for opening in December 2016.

The bridge is intended to provide a much shorter rail route between the regions to support growing traffic between China and Russia, and will have a greater capacity than the existing ships and seasonal pontoon road crossing. Traffic is predicted to start at 5·2 million tonnes/year and grow to 20 million tonnes/year.

The bridge has been designed by Institut Giprostroymost to meet both Russian and Chinese standards. It will carry gauntletted 1 435 mm and 1 520 mm gauge tracks, offset by 800 mm and thus allowing only a single train to cross at once.

The two governments signed an agreement to build the bridge in October 2008.

Heilongjiang province and China Railway Corp will provide US$422m for the Chinese portion of the bridge and associated works, while Russia's Far East & Baikal Region Development Fund is supporting the US$500m cost of works on the Russian side. This will include an upgrade of the branch to Nizhneleninskoye from Birobidzhan on the Trans-Siberian line
Would it be actually feasible for the Chinese to haul oil on rail from the Russian Far east, like it happens in the USA atm?

Could the railway make new oil wells more accessible for the Chinese market?
Surel no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 16th, 2014, 01:04 AM   #5554
hmmwv
Registered User
 
hmmwv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Seattle
Posts: 2,391
Likes (Received): 420

Quote:
Originally Posted by Surel View Post
Would it be actually feasible for the Chinese to haul oil on rail from the Russian Far east, like it happens in the USA atm?

Could the railway make new oil wells more accessible for the Chinese market?
IIRC there are already oil pipelines from Russia to China, that's going to be cheaper and quicker than hauling via rail.
__________________
The building under construction next to Shanghai Tower is Oriental Financial Center. The "plot" next to Jinmao is reserved green belt and no skyscraper will be built there.
hmmwv no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 16th, 2014, 01:09 AM   #5555
hmmwv
Registered User
 
hmmwv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Seattle
Posts: 2,391
Likes (Received): 420

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cosmicbliss View Post
How much trade/people to people contact exists between the border areas of Russia and China?
In 2013, out of the USD 89 billion China-Russia trade $22.4 billion were conducted on the border between Helongjiang Province and the Russian Far East.
__________________
The building under construction next to Shanghai Tower is Oriental Financial Center. The "plot" next to Jinmao is reserved green belt and no skyscraper will be built there.
hmmwv no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 16th, 2014, 01:37 PM   #5556
hhzz
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Guilin
Posts: 428
Likes (Received): 1274

Qinghai-Tibet Railway,2014

Tanggula railway station,5067m above sea level,is the world highest station.And the Tanggula Pass,5072m above sea level is the highest point of the railways in the world.It's respectful for those who work in such a harsh condition area with thin air and extremely cold climate.
1.

2.

3.

4.

5.

6.

From china.com.cn
__________________

CP11, big-dog, foxmulder, geometarkv liked this post
hhzz no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 16th, 2014, 01:46 PM   #5557
Sunfuns
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Basel
Posts: 2,426
Likes (Received): 361

Will trains actually be stoping at this station? As far as I have read there is absolutely nothing around to stop for and hence it will not be possible to leave or come on board the train there.

If that is so then which station would be the actual highest working station? I mean a station to which you can buy a ticket.
Sunfuns no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 16th, 2014, 04:11 PM   #5558
SerdarOrtac
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 15
Likes (Received): 1

SerdarOrtac no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 16th, 2014, 04:23 PM   #5559
hhzz
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Guilin
Posts: 428
Likes (Received): 1274

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunfuns View Post
Will trains actually be stoping at this station? As far as I have read there is absolutely nothing around to stop for and hence it will not be possible to leave or come on board the train there.
Yes,but it's extremely rare.No passenger is allowed to get it off here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunfuns View Post
If that is so then which station would be the actual highest working station? I mean a station to which you can buy a ticket.
By your standard,it's Amdo railway station,4702m above sea level.It's a Qinghai-Tibet railway station,there're several trains stop here every day,passengers can get on or get off the trains here.
hhzz no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 16th, 2014, 04:40 PM   #5560
Sunfuns
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Basel
Posts: 2,426
Likes (Received): 361

That's surely still quite a bit higher than stations anywhere else in the world.
Sunfuns no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
china, high speed train, rail, tgv

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 07:16 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium