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Old March 10th, 2015, 12:55 AM   #5741
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Because so far there hasn't been a need. Office workers live within range of the metro. Rich house owners can afford to drive cars everyday. Only in the biggest sprawls like Beijing and SH are commuter trains starting to be built.
Ah I see , I forgot about the Sprawlness of most Chinese cities. Some of the new Beijing Suburban lines are Diesel , is there a reason behind that?
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Old March 10th, 2015, 01:32 AM   #5742
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Old March 10th, 2015, 01:42 AM   #5743
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9.1km. Opening in early 2015.
huge tunnel...
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Old March 10th, 2015, 07:42 AM   #5744
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I assume the question you are asking is why are some Chinese cities building Urban Rail systems instead of the cheaper alternative Suburban Rail?

Smaller Chinese cities while having smaller populations but have high population densities high land costs etc that make Urban Rail systems the perferred model of transportation.

In larger cities as they expand their networks outwards to outlying areas may find Suburban Rail to be more cost effective especially when connecting to outlying cities. Hence their networks will be a combination of both.
Not only cheaper alternatives but often more efficient for longer, less heavily trafficked lines. Commuter rail allows for express services that get far flung commuters into the city centre very quickly. If one tried to get into central Beijing or Shanghai from the suburbs on the edge of the city, it'd take a very long time using only the current metro style all-stops systems.
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Old March 10th, 2015, 08:59 AM   #5745
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I assume the question you are asking is why are some Chinese cities building Urban Rail systems instead of the cheaper alternative Suburban Rail?

Smaller Chinese cities while having smaller populations but have high population densities high land costs etc that make Urban Rail systems the perferred model of transportation.

In larger cities as they expand their networks outwards to outlying areas may find Suburban Rail to be more cost effective especially when connecting to outlying cities. Hence their networks will be a combination of both.
But they often donīt need to build rails - they are there. Sometimes not even stations, because they also have been built. All that is needed is actually use the stations well.
Look at, for example, Kowloon-Canton railway. 183 km Kowloon to Canton.
The stations are:
  1. Hung Hom - 1975
  2. Mong Kok East - 1910
  3. Kowloon Tong - 1982
  4. Tai Wai - 1983
  5. Sha Tin - 1910
  6. Fo Tan - 1985
  7. University - 1956
  8. Tai Po Market - 1983
  9. Tai Wo - 1989
  10. Fanling - 1910
  11. Sheung Shui - 1930
  12. Lo Wu - 1949
  13. Shenzhen - 1910
  14. Sungang - 1962
  15. Shenzhen East - 1911
  16. Pinghu
  17. Shigu - 1911
  18. Tangtouxia
  19. Zhangmutou
  20. Changping - 1911
  21. Hengli - 1911
  22. Nanshe - 1911
  23. Chashan - 1911
  24. Shilong
  25. Honghai - 1989
  26. Shitan - 1911
  27. Xiancun - 1910
  28. Shapu - 1917
  29. Xintang - 1910
  30. Nangang - 1910
  31. Xiayuan - 1975
  32. Jishan - 1916
  33. Shipai
  34. Guangzhou East
  35. Yunlu - 1911
  36. Guangzhou - 1974

So - where are the passenger trains regularly connecting, say, Yunlu and Xintang?
How many railways exit Kunming? And how many passenger stations do they have in first, say, 50 km out of Kunming?
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Old March 10th, 2015, 12:32 PM   #5746
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Beijing - Bejing West Underground Tunnel to open 2015.3.20

It will take about 15 minutes for the "shuttle" train to run the 9.15km line.
When opened, the Shijiazhuang - Chengde K7743/2, K7744/1 will be through trains connecting the two stations, and passengers can use this service to connect their trains at Beijing and Beijing West.

Not much further info was given.
http://auto.news18a.com/news/20150310/story_815166.html
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Old March 10th, 2015, 01:12 PM   #5747
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Ah, I've heard about this tunnel.

Too bad I only ever use Beijing South due to HSR, I don't think there's ever a time I'd need to fo from Beijing station to Beijing West, but I'm glad its' there.

Now the Beijing CDB People mover in the works, there's a system I would use frequently.
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Old March 10th, 2015, 06:05 PM   #5748
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It will take about 15 minutes for the "shuttle" train to run the 9.15km line.
When opened, the Shijiazhuang - Chengde K7743/2, K7744/1 will be through trains connecting the two stations, and passengers can use this service to connect their trains at Beijing and Beijing West.

Not much further info was given.
http://auto.news18a.com/news/20150310/story_815166.html
Cool, it's flown way under the radar lately. Totally forgot that it existed.

Any word on what kind of tunnel or rail line it is?
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Old March 10th, 2015, 06:21 PM   #5749
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Does it have intermediate stops or connections, for example to the metro? Looks like an opportunity to build an RER-type system...
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Old March 10th, 2015, 06:54 PM   #5750
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Does it have intermediate stops or connections, for example to the metro? Looks like an opportunity to build an RER-type system...
On the other hand, it is a connection of major railways. Compare the 8 km tunnel between Shenzhen North and Futian stations.
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Old March 10th, 2015, 08:54 PM   #5751
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But they often donīt need to build rails - they are there. Sometimes not even stations, because they also have been built. All that is needed is actually use the stations well.
Look at, for example, Kowloon-Canton railway. 183 km Kowloon to Canton.
The stations are:
  1. Hung Hom - 1975
  2. Mong Kok East - 1910
  3. Kowloon Tong - 1982
  4. Tai Wai - 1983
  5. Sha Tin - 1910
  6. Fo Tan - 1985
  7. University - 1956
  8. Tai Po Market - 1983
  9. Tai Wo - 1989
  10. Fanling - 1910
  11. Sheung Shui - 1930
  12. Lo Wu - 1949
  13. Shenzhen - 1910
  14. Sungang - 1962
  15. Shenzhen East - 1911
  16. Pinghu
  17. Shigu - 1911
  18. Tangtouxia
  19. Zhangmutou
  20. Changping - 1911
  21. Hengli - 1911
  22. Nanshe - 1911
  23. Chashan - 1911
  24. Shilong
  25. Honghai - 1989
  26. Shitan - 1911
  27. Xiancun - 1910
  28. Shapu - 1917
  29. Xintang - 1910
  30. Nangang - 1910
  31. Xiayuan - 1975
  32. Jishan - 1916
  33. Shipai
  34. Guangzhou East
  35. Yunlu - 1911
  36. Guangzhou - 1974

So - where are the passenger trains regularly connecting, say, Yunlu and Xintang?
How many railways exit Kunming? And how many passenger stations do they have in first, say, 50 km out of Kunming?
To answer your question there are stations 50 kms out of Kunming but as the city is sprawling outwards and taking the metro with it those areas will be intergrated into the metro footprint by 2030


The cities lying more than 100 kms will connect to the HSR in the future. The intercity lines to cities between 50 to 100 kms will be a mixture of commuter rail then urban rail once in the downtown area though those are long term projects.
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Old March 10th, 2015, 08:58 PM   #5752
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Ah, I've heard about this tunnel.

Too bad I only ever use Beijing South due to HSR, I don't think there's ever a time I'd need to fo from Beijing station to Beijing West, but I'm glad its' there.

Now the Beijing CDB People mover in the works, there's a system I would use frequently.
Any more details on the proposed Beijing APM?
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Old March 10th, 2015, 09:02 PM   #5753
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Should a seprate thread set up for commuter rail projects in China?
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Old March 10th, 2015, 10:26 PM   #5754
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Should a seprate thread set up for commuter rail projects in China?
No , each City thread is enough for now. Down the road if there's an explosion in projects then I think it would be good to setup a new thread.
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Old March 11th, 2015, 06:17 PM   #5755
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No , each City thread is enough for now. Down the road if there's an explosion in projects then I think it would be good to setup a new thread.
China already has metro lines of no specific city: between Guangzhou and Foshan, and between Shanghai and Suzhou. While many cities are big enough to run commuter trains within their borders, many densely settled areas with lines fit for commuter service span city boundaries.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 12:38 PM   #5758
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Too bad I only ever use Beijing South due to HSR, I don't think there's ever a time I'd need to fo from Beijing station to Beijing West, but I'm glad its' there.
From which direction do you go to Beijing South?

Which stations shall Beijing-Zhangjiakou high speed railway use in Beijing?
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Which stations shall Beijing-Zhangjiakou high speed railway use in Beijing?
Construction of a high-speed line linking Beijing and Zhangjiakou, co-host cities bidding for the 2022 Winter Olympic Games, will start later this year.

Covering 174 kilometers, the line will have nine stations between Beijing North and Zhangjiakou South and is scheduled to be complete in four-and–a-half years, said Zhu Huigang, vice executive chief of the Beijing railway bureau, Beijing Youth Daily reported on Tuesday.

The section around Badaling, the most difficult part of the line, will start construction this year, Zhu said.

Extending 15.44 km, the Badaling section will go through a tunnel from Juyongguan to Badaling, with an investment of 1.7 billion yuan.

China Railway Corp, relaunched from the former Ministry of Railway, approved the project in December following a feasibility study for the Badaling section which got the go ahead from the National Development and Reform Commission a month earlier, the newspaper said.

The Beijing-Zhangjiakou project, which had been scheduled to start in August 2009, was shelved due to a change in the country's overall plan for high-speed rail.

In other developments, Zhu said three more rail lines will be opened in the Beijing-Tianjin-Hebei region this year, covering 800 km, or 10 percent of the country's rail network goal for 2015.

The new lines are an extension of the Beijing-Tianjin link and the ones connecting Tianjin with Baoding and Zhangjiakou with Tangshan.

Zhu said they will relieve Beijing's pressure as a traffic hub, quoting as an example the Tianjin-Baoding line, where passengers from the north will in future have the option to travel directly south instead transferring in Beijing.
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Old March 12th, 2015, 05:13 PM   #5760
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I am waiting for an eurasian railway between Europe and China trough Central Asia ( Turkmenistan,Kazakhstan )
Technically, there are trains that pass through Kazakhstan. I've taken the train from Urumqi to Almaty. From there, I could have taken a train to Astana and thence to Moscow. There's also trains heading from Moscow to Tashkent in Uzbekistan and Bishkek in Kyrgyzstan. From Tashkent there is a sexy high speed train called "Afrosiyob" that goes to Samarkand. As for Turkmenistan, it has lines that go close to the border, but from memory I don't believe any actually *cross* the border. Taking an iron silk road trip is one of my dreams, but some of the paperwork (visas, etc) make it a bit daunting.
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