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Old April 22nd, 2016, 06:17 PM   #5941
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Are there any plans to connect Tibet with Yunnan? Xinjiang?
that would be some low ridership between 2 of the poorer less populated areas
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Old April 22nd, 2016, 06:25 PM   #5942
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mwuah it would be a nice N-S and both are very popular tourist destinations.

too mountainous alas and not dense enough
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Old April 22nd, 2016, 06:45 PM   #5943
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If that is the case, it is great. More on power lines less on rails. Also, waterlines are bless for China. Can you imagine the CO2 emission if that was carried over by trucks!

The proving ground for LNG trucks is China, where there are more than 330,000 medium- and heavy-duty trucks on the road, according to Shell—and that number is expected to triple in the next five years . That compares to about 23,000 in the U.S. and only 2,000 in Europe. ...
“There are Chinese engines on the way which will meet EPA standards in the U.S. market in the next couple of years,” Abraham told Fleet Owner in a follow-up interview. ...


- Jun 12, 2015 http://fleetowner.com/fuel/natural-g...ing-soon-china


Sept. 5, 2014 http://www.wsj.com/articles/china-tr...ver-1409913743



By the end of June 2013, 121 ships (115 inland ships and 6 seagoing ships) had been approved by China Maritime Safety Administration (MSA) to conduct ship conversion; 107 of which are currently undergoing major modifications. Moreover, according to a document (Ministry of Transport of China 2014) published on October 21, 2014, there will be another 979 newly built LNG-fueled ships and more than ten LNG-filling stations by the end of 2016. The main ship types include bulk cargo ships, container ships, and port tugs.


- April 2015 http://link.springer.com/article/10....437-015-0080-6
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Old April 22nd, 2016, 08:46 PM   #5944
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that would be some low ridership between 2 of the poorer less populated areas
Qinghai has fewer people than either Yunnan or Xinjiang.
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Old May 2nd, 2016, 07:22 PM   #5945
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Old May 6th, 2016, 12:45 AM   #5946
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That rail line will be passing an impassible geography. It will be a great scenic route.
Umm, how much will you actually see from the train? Nice scenery along the Chengdu-Kunming line, but 430+km of the 1100 is inside tunnels, often arranged so you get 3 seconds daylight max from inside one mountain to inside the next. With nothing to see they often run pax trains overnight. And tunnelling has got a lot better with the HSR experience. Sorry I'm seeming gloomy, but they put those lines inside the mountains to stop rocks falling on the rails, and the mountains in Tibet are moving, inside...
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Old May 6th, 2016, 03:35 AM   #5947
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Remaining time from the tunnels will be enough
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Old May 6th, 2016, 06:41 PM   #5948
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China Railway debt reaches $US 640bn
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CHINA Railway Corporation (CRC) has almost twice as much debt as the Greek government, according to an external audit of the company's first quarter results, which reveals total debts reached Yuan 4.14 trillion ($US 640bn) at the end of March, a 10.4% year-on-year increase

Beijing-based business publisher Caixin reported on May 5 that the auditor's findings were posted on the website of China Central Deposit and Clearing Company on April 29

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Old May 6th, 2016, 07:57 PM   #5949
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Caixin .

Beijing clamping down on speculative property prices. Caixin starts bitching about trains. It's predictable.
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Old May 14th, 2016, 09:50 AM   #5950
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Caixin .

Beijing clamping down on speculative property prices. Caixin starts bitching about trains. It's predictable.
Can I ask why you feel that this invalidates the news? Do you not feel that if there are significant debts it might have a knock-on effect on the investment in new lines and long-term sustainability of the current business model? (These are just questions, I don't know the answer).
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[img]http://media.***********.com/photos/may-17-2016-passengers-board-the-train-running-from-urumqi-capital-of-picture-id531997222[/img]
URUMQI, May 17, 2016 -- Passengers board the train running from Urumqi, capital of northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, to Shenzhen of south China's Guangdong Province, at Urumuqi South Railway Station in Urumuqi, on May 17, 2016. The first through train connecting Urumqi and Shenzhen started to operate on Tuesday.

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URUMQI, May 17, 2016 -- A passenger passes by the train running from Urumqi, capital of northwest China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, to Shenzhen of south China's Guangdong Province, at Urumuqi South Railway Station in Urumuqi, on May 17, 2016. The first through train connecting Urumqi and Shenzhen started to operate on Tuesday.

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Old May 18th, 2016, 09:50 AM   #5953
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Can I ask why you feel that this invalidates the news? Do you not feel that if there are significant debts it might have a knock-on effect on the investment in new lines and long-term sustainability of the current business model? (These are just questions, I don't know the answer).
It's not a business. It's mainly about getting things built right now in China. The debts are just psychological.

China is still developing. Per capita wise, there is still a lot of work to do.
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Old May 18th, 2016, 04:30 PM   #5954
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It's not a business. It's mainly about getting things built right now in China. The debts are just psychological.

China is still developing. Per capita wise, there is still a lot of work to do.
Economics is 90% psychological. As soon as somebody, anybody, thinks the debt is real, it is.
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Old May 25th, 2016, 07:39 PM   #5955
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CRRC opens European office in Budapest
25 May 2016



HUNGARY: The CRRC Industrial Investment Co subsidiary of Chinese rolling stock manufacturing conglomerate CRRC has opened a European office in Budapest.

The company said it is aiming to ‘explore European state-of-the-art technologies and industries’, and invest in them though technical co-operation ventures

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Old May 26th, 2016, 08:08 AM   #5956
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Economics is 90% psychological. As soon as somebody, anybody, thinks the debt is real, it is.
Dept is really not real Government taking from one pocket and putting into another. Banks are public, infrastructure companies are public, train producers are public. At max, you can see this as government dept to the people. Risk is extremely low.
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Old May 26th, 2016, 08:58 AM   #5957
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agreed

Are the SOEs really going to default on their financial obligations to the central government without fearing the consequences?
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Old May 26th, 2016, 06:28 PM   #5958
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agreed

Are the SOEs really going to default on their financial obligations to the central government without fearing the consequences?
If we look at what happened last time, the wirst ones will be liquidated, and government can float additional shares in the stock market to raise funds. (during last round, funds are raised by selling SOE subsidized rental to renters at discount, both alleviating a huge burden on the SOE and increase homeownership in China)

Right now, Rail Corp is not floated in the market, unlike Sinopec etc, akd it owns vast amount of land and other assets around the country.
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Old June 5th, 2016, 07:42 AM   #5959
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Old June 7th, 2016, 03:01 PM   #5960
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China's Longest Railway Starts Operation
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The launch of the first Urumqi-Qiqihar railway, K1084, on Sunday marks a new era for China.

The line stretches for 4,818 kilometers, the longest one in China until now.

It passes through 40 stations across 8 provinces and the city of Tianjin before arriving in Urumqi.

The ticket prices vary from 439 yuan to 1,244 yuan.

Also on Sunday, China put an additional 3,400 new passenger trains into service.

This is the largest increase in passenger rail services in a decade.

More than half of them will be on high-speed rail lines.

Most of the newly added high-speed services will be added to routes which service small-and-medium-sized cities and in the country's western regions.

Around 100 new inter-city trains are also going to be added to the lines to help people commute between big cities and their neighboring small towns.
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