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Old June 7th, 2016, 06:22 PM   #5961
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Is that an Urumqi-Guangzhou/Hong Kong line at the bottom? How long is it?

How long do these two services take?
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Old June 7th, 2016, 07:23 PM   #5962
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Do you know the cost to build it?
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Old June 7th, 2016, 08:00 PM   #5963
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Is that an Urumqi-Guangzhou/Hong Kong line at the bottom?
Actually Urumqi-Shenzhen.
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How long is it?
Urumqi-Shenzhen 4657 km, of which Urumqi-Guangzhou 4510 km.
For comparison, Urumqi-Qiqihar is 4818 km, of which Urumqi-Harbin 4530 km
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How long do these two services take?
Urumqi-Shenzhen, Z232: 2:00:43 - departs 18:45, arrives 19:28, 2 days later.
Urumqi-Guangzhou, Z232: 1:22:55 - arrival 17:40
Urumqi-Qiqihar, K1082: 2:19:32 - departs 23:08, arrives 18:40, 3 days later
Urumqi-Harbin, K1082: 2:15:41 - arrival 14:49
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Do you know the cost to build it?
Nothing. All parts of the lines have been built long ago. What is new is that one train connects these particular stations, rather than ending and connecting somewhere in between.
How long does it take to travel Brazilian railway system from Fortaleza to Uruguay border aboard the same, scheduled passenger train?
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Old June 7th, 2016, 08:12 PM   #5964
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Actually Urumqi-Shenzhen.

Urumqi-Shenzhen 4657 km, of which Urumqi-Guangzhou 4510 km.
For comparison, Urumqi-Qiqihar is 4818 km, of which Urumqi-Harbin 4530 km

Urumqi-Shenzhen, Z232: 2:00:43 - departs 18:45, arrives 19:28, 2 days later.
Urumqi-Guangzhou, Z232: 1:22:55 - arrival 17:40
Urumqi-Qiqihar, K1082: 2:19:32 - departs 23:08, arrives 18:40, 3 days later
Urumqi-Harbin, K1082: 2:15:41 - arrival 14:49
Thank you very much!

However, I am slightly confused. I know that the Z and K numbers designate the train, and I recognize military time on the right, but what do the three-number sets in the middle mean?

Do they refer to day:hour:minute? Would that mean that it is two days and 43 minutes Urumqi to Shenzhen?

What are the reverse arrival and departure times (ie Shenzhen to Urumqi)?
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Old June 7th, 2016, 08:42 PM   #5965
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but what do the three-number sets in the middle mean?

Do they refer to day:hour:minute? Would that mean that it is two days and 43 minutes Urumqi to Shenzhen?
Correct.
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What are the reverse arrival and departure times (ie Shenzhen to Urumqi)?
Qiqihar-Urumqi: K1084, travel time 2:13:48, departs 6:00, arrives 19:48 2 days later
Shenzhen-Urumqi: Z230, travel time 2:00:17, departs 9:30, arrives 9:47 2 days later

Another big news is that there is now a direct train Yining-Shanghai.
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Old June 7th, 2016, 09:13 PM   #5966
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Correct.

Qiqihar-Urumqi: K1084, travel time 2:13:48, departs 6:00, arrives 19:48 2 days later
Shenzhen-Urumqi: Z230, travel time 2:00:17, departs 9:30, arrives 9:47 2 days later
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Another big news is that there is now a direct train Yining-Shanghai.
Wow! Now I'm wondering how long that would take.

I would also like to know what the travel times are Peking-Pyongyang. I am attempting to figure out what a (theoretical post-Kim) Pusan-Urumqi conventional (non-HSR) route would take (and eventually going out the Silk Road towards Europe but that's not relevant here).

It is 5:30 Pusan-Seoul on a conventional train. Does anyone have a pre-WWII timetable that shows how long it took to get up to Mukden/Shenyang?
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Old June 7th, 2016, 10:50 PM   #5967
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Wow! Now I'm wondering how long that would take.
2:07:16 for 4742 km.
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I would also like to know what the travel times are Peking-Pyongyang.
1:01:03. But this includes station stops of 2:20 in Dandong and 3:30 in Sinuiju.
Beijing-Dandong is 13:55 by the K27 that continues to Pyongyang - and 6:13 by G397.
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Old June 8th, 2016, 12:12 AM   #5968
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2:07:16 for 4742 km.


1:01:03. But this includes station stops of 2:20 in Dandong and 3:30 in Sinuiju.
Beijing-Dandong is 13:55 by the K27 that continues to Pyongyang - and 6:13 by G397.
Thank you very much!

It looks like Pyongyang-Sinuiju is five hours. Pyongyang is about half-way between the DMZ and the Yalu. Assuming that the tracks are upgraded to modern standards, then it would probably be about five hours all the way through (which coincides with a six-hour trip on regular trains from Seoul to Pusan).

I found this online at Seat61.com. It looks like Beijing-Urumqi is about 27 hours by Z train (is that completely non-stop?) and 40 hours by T train:

Beijing, Xian ► Ürümqi
Westbound...
Train Z69 10:00 day 1 18:09 day 2


Ürümqi ► Xian, Beijing
Eastbound...
Train Z70 13:06 day 1 20:20 day 2

Train T178 17:08 day 1 09:36 day 3

Wow. All told, it appears to be about 60 hours Pusan-Urumqi. That's a little over 2.5 days.
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Old June 8th, 2016, 09:37 AM   #5969
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Thank you very much!

It looks like Pyongyang-Sinuiju is five hours. Pyongyang is about half-way between the DMZ and the Yalu. Assuming that the tracks are upgraded to modern standards, then it would probably be about five hours all the way through
The distance Pyongyang-Sinuiju, 225 km, also matches the distance Dandong-Shenyang (224 km).
For 277 km on old line, K27 takes 3:42. For 208 km on new line G395 takes 1:15.
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I found this online at Seat61.com. It looks like Beijing-Urumqi is about 27 hours by Z train (is that completely non-stop?) and 40 hours by T train:

Beijing, Xian ► Ürümqi
Westbound...
Train Z69 10:00 day 1 18:09 day 2
No. Z69 does not pass through Xian (makes a shortcut via Taiyuan) and makes 18 intermediate stops.
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Old June 8th, 2016, 06:58 PM   #5970
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The distance Pyongyang-Sinuiju, 225 km, also matches the distance Dandong-Shenyang (224 km).
For 277 km on old line, K27 takes 3:42. For 208 km on new line G395 takes 1:15.
What does that 277 km represent? And where does G395 come from (I saw G397 before)?

How long do you think that it would take for the run through North Korea if the tracks were upgraded?

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No. Z69 does not pass through Xian (makes a shortcut via Taiyuan) and makes 18 intermediate stops.
Sorry.

I took that off of Seat61.com and was just copying parts of a table.
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Old June 8th, 2016, 11:09 PM   #5971
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The distance on the old Shenyang-Dandong railway between old Shenyang station and old Dandong station is 277 km. This is now served by 8 slow trains, the fastest of which is K27m taking 3:42.
The distance between old Shenyang station and old Dandong station on the new, 250 km/h line is 223 km.
The fastest trains cover that 223 km distance with 1 stop in 1:16.
There are a total of 29 D and G trains between Shenyang and Dandong stations.
There are also 6 D and G trains which travel to Dandong from other stations in Shenyang - Shenyang South and Shenyang North. None of these 6 also stops at Shenyang station.
Train G395 comes from Beijing and skips Shenyang station but stops at Shenyang South.
How much upgrading do you plan for railways of North Korea?
The old railway Shenyang-Dandong is 277 km as stated, and the old railway Sinuiju-Pyongyang is 225 km. When a new 250 km/h rail line is built between Dandong and Pyongyang, it may be shorter than the existing one. But in any case, I expect Danddong-Pyongyang should not take over 1:15 at 200 km/h, and Beijing-Pyongyang should be feasible in 7:30.
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Old June 13th, 2016, 07:40 PM   #5972
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Old June 24th, 2016, 03:21 PM   #5973
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Tourism booms on plateau after 10 years of Qinghai Tibet Railway
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LHASA, June 23 (Xinhua) -- Tuotuohe River Station maybe small but it is an important stop along the Qinghai-Tibet railway, the world's highest altitude train line, which links the Tibetan capital Lhasa in southwest China and Xining, capital of Qinghai in the northwest.

Tuotuohe is about 4,000 meters above sea level in Qinghai Province. After Tuotuohe, the trains climb even higher along Kunlun Mountain. It is the last stop for many tourists on their way to Tibet.

Medical workers are on standby at the station to treat those who fall ill. "All kinds of people come by train and many insist on continuing with their journey if they fall with altitude sickness," said Phurdo Tashi, 40, who sells food near the station. Many people get off the train at Tuotuohe, to try and catch a glimpse of the rare plateau animals like the Tibetan gazelle, and to take in the unparalleled beauty of the source of the Yangtze River.

"During the summer season, all the carriages are full to bursting. The number of people on one day is more than we saw over six months just a few years ago," said Tashi. The 1,956-kilometer railway, which at its highest point is 5,072 meters above sea level, turns 10 on July 1.

Over the last decade, it has helped tourism boom along the rail link. "Riding on the trains, the highest in the world, is a rare experience," said Wang Songping, deputy director of Tibet tourism department.

"The train has made many unseen areas such as Yarlung Zangbo River Grand Canyon and Mount Qomolangma accessible to visitors," he said.

In 2015, 20.2 million holiday makers visited Tibet, 11 times more than before the railway started service. Moreover, tourism spending last year exceeded 28 billion yuan (about 4.3 billion U.S. dollars), 15 times more than a decade ago. More than 100,000 people in Tibet ware working in tourism, with per capita earning of more than 10,000 yuan every year.
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Old June 30th, 2016, 03:45 PM   #5974
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Old June 30th, 2016, 03:57 PM   #5975
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Plan aims for 150,000 km of rail by 2020



http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/epaper/...t_25917640.htm

China set forth new goals on Wednesday for a long-term, more comprehensive plan for the country's rail network, including 150,000 kilometers of rail lines by 2020.

The plan was approved at a State Council meeting that was presided over by Premier Li Keqiang.

It endorses rail as the country's key form of transportation and the lifeline for China's economy.

The plan also calls for more balanced rail construction to increase accessibility to more of the country, and it vows to build a comprehensive network combining rail, road, water and air transportation.

"It is still a pressing task for us to usher in the development of China's railway. It is the lifeline for China's national economy," Li said.

Compared with developed countries of a similar size, the length of China's operating railways is still not long enough, the premier said. Railway construction is important for stabilizing economic growth and structural reform, especially in central and western China, he added.

By the end of last year, China had 121,000 km of operating rail lines, including 19,000 km of high-speed railways, according to the National Development and Reform Commission.

In 2008, the NDRC issued a national rail plan that aimed for an operating rail network of more than 120,000 km by 2020.

The plan approved on Wednesday is a revision of the 2008 plan and targets a network of 150,000 km by 2020. Of this, 30,000 km will be high-speed rail.

Key measures include expanding the high-speed rail network connecting major cities and other urban areas to eight rail lines running north to south and eight going east to west.


Intercity rail lines will also be enhanced.

Once the plan is achieved, rail travel between neighboring major and medium-sized cities will take from one to four hours.

The plan also envisions boosting rail construction in central and western China.

Comprehensive rail development is vital for China in maintaining stable growth and structural reform, Li said.

"We should seek innovation in developing China's railway project with both social and economic implication in mind, and this new plan should be planned well in advance with consideration not only given to demand but also financial feasibility," Li stressed.

China will spend 800 billion yuan ($120.5 billion) this year on building railways, said Wang Dongming, deputy director of the Institute of Comprehensive Transportation of the NDRC.

Expanding the rail network is a form of investment in fixed assets to prop up slowing economic growth by providing more employment opportunities and reducing logistics costs, Wang said.

"The central government is to balance regional development, and less-developed regions will benefit from the new plan with more access to convenient railways," Wang added.

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Qinghai-Tibet Railway

10th birthday of the world's highest altitude train line
The Qinghai-Tibet railway celebrates its tenth birthday on Friday, since its second section, linking Golmud in Northwest China's Qinghai province and Lhasa in Southwest China's Tibet autonomous region, opened to traffic on July 1, 2006.
The 1,142-km section, out of the 1,956-km Qinghai-Tibet Railway, put an end to Tibet's inaccessibility by rail.

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China set forth new goals on Wednesday for a long-term, more comprehensive plan for the country's rail network, including 150,000 kilometers of rail lines by 2020.

Compared with developed countries of a similar size, the length of China's operating railways is still not long enough, the premier said. Railway construction is important for stabilizing economic growth and structural reform, especially in central and western China, he added.

By the end of last year, China had 121,000 km of operating rail lines, including 19,000 km of high-speed railways, according to the National Development and Reform Commission.

In 2008, the NDRC issued a national rail plan that aimed for an operating rail network of more than 120,000 km by 2020.

The plan approved on Wednesday is a revision of the 2008 plan and targets a network of 150,000 km by 2020. Of this, 30,000 km will be high-speed rail.

Key measures include expanding the high-speed rail network connecting major cities and other urban areas to eight rail lines running north to south and eight going east to west.


Intercity rail lines will also be enhanced.

Once the plan is achieved, rail travel between neighboring major and medium-sized cities will take from one to four hours.
This means that 29 000 km should be built, including 11 000 high speed railways and 18 000 km slow speed railways.
Does "by 2020" mean by beginning of 2020, or by end of 2020?
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This means that 29 000 km should be built, including 11 000 high speed railways and 18 000 km slow speed railways.
Does "by 2020" mean by beginning of 2020, or by end of 2020?
I think they mean by the end of 2020
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