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Old October 6th, 2017, 04:25 AM   #6141
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What is the maximum speed of a 1435/1520 mm Talgo car on 1435 mm?
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Old October 6th, 2017, 11:00 AM   #6142
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The Iberian gauge is 1,668 mm, not 1,672.
Here I explain in more detail, and I'm sure you understand Spanish well:
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La variación de ancho en España desde 1.674 a 1.668 mm
El ancho ibérico de seis pies castellanos, fijado en el Informe Subercasse en 1844, corresponde a 1.671 mm, que terminaron siendo 1.674 por la necesaria traducción a las medidas británicas, según acabamos de ver (#77 ); sin embargo actualmente el ancho oficial es el de 1.668 mm. Veamos el cómo y el porqué de dicha variación.

En marzo de 1955 se publica el informe “Reducción del juego de vía”, del Departamento de Estudios y Reconstrucción de Renfe, donde se explica la necesidad de reducir la holgura o “juego de vía” entre las pestañas de las ruedas y los carriles para mejorar las condiciones de rodadura. Según el informe, en 1926 la Oficina de Unificación de Material Ferroviario había decidido calar las ruedas de coches y automotores a 1.596 mm, y posteriormente la Dirección de Material de Renfe fijó en 1.588 mm distancia entre arcos de las locomotoras; de ello resultaba un juego en la pestaña de 13 mm para coches y de 21 mm para locomotoras. El redactor considera excesivos estos juegos por lo que propone unificarlo a 7 mm para todos los vehículos, resultando superior en 1 mm al recientemente aprobado por la SNCF para la renovación de vías con traviesas de hormigón.
Tras ello, se llega a la conclusión de que adoptando los 1.668 mm como ancho de vía, solo existiría una diferencia de 3 mm con el ancho portugués (1.665 mm) y esta medida disminuiría el juego de la vía a 7 mm. Este ancho se adoptó en todas las renovaciones de vía desde que se aplican traviesas de hormigón (primero bibloque y luego monobloque). Sin embargo, en las líneas en las que no se ha renovado la vía desde 1955 el ancho sigue siendo de 1.674 mm; por otros motivos, ése continúa siendo el ancho de la línea 1 del Metro barcelonés (TMB).
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Old October 6th, 2017, 07:33 PM   #6143
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Through the lens: Chinese photographer captures traces of time on the train



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When Wang Fuchun steps inside a train carriage, he pays no mind to where his seat is, but instead directs his lens towards the faces that inhabit the train.

He has been doing this for over 30 years.

Wang Fuchun was destined for the railway. After graduating from the photography department at Harbin Normal University, he began to work in the railway system. One day, his superior asked him to take photos for the workers. This was the beginning of his career as a professional photographer.

Over the past three decades, he has captured travelers' lives, and with it the traces of what society looked like at various moments in time.

During the 1980s and 90s, when waves of migrant rural workers traveled to find work, the steam locomotives carried whole communities of people leaving and returning to their hometown. During Spring Festival travel rushes, it wasn't even possible to get on the train through the doors, forcing people to climb through the windows. But Wang's photos show people looking delighted – the passage of going home by train was itself worth celebrating.

Wang describes trains as spaces that are like temporary micro societies – travelers from all across the country, speaking different dialects must share a single space together.

Wang's focus on people reflects his belief that every photo is a story, and every person has a story to tell. He has an intimate and poetic approach to photography that turns each photo into a story.

His photos also reflect the country's transformation. Green and steam locomotives have been replaced by bullet trains. People now carry smart phones and tablets instead of brick cell phones. "You can find traces of all eras on the train," says Wang.

Nowadays, 74-year-old Wang Fuchun is still an active photographer. "Actually, I take photos on the train out of my affection," he explains. "Had it not for the affection for the railway, I couldn't have made it this far."

"You take a photo today, it will become history tomorrow. You can't repeat it, nor can others."
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Old October 8th, 2017, 07:32 PM   #6144
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Old October 9th, 2017, 06:06 AM   #6145
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So this just happened... I am expecting more quad tracking and new conventional railways to be built to handle the new demand. It does rise a good question about possible "needs improvements" of China's railways. It mentioned that shipping goods from Xingtai, Hebei to Zhejiang and Jiangsu provinces takes two days by truck but a week by rail. At such long distances rail should be faster and more cost effective. Something should be done to improve freight rail transport.

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Thousands of small factories in China, making everything from steel to chemicals, are scrambling for access to the country’s clogged rail network as Beijing curbs the use of diesel trucks in an effort to tackle air pollution.
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Old October 9th, 2017, 08:04 AM   #6146
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Locomotives are diesel, too.
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Old October 9th, 2017, 04:37 PM   #6147
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Old October 10th, 2017, 12:52 AM   #6148
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Over 132 million railway trips made during holiday

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BEIJING, Oct. 9 (Xinhua) -- Over 132 million railway trips were made during the past 11 days of holiday travel rush, up 11.6 percent year on year, according to the China Railway Corporation (CRC).

The travel rush of the National Day holiday lasted from Sept. 28 to Oct. 8, with the holiday extended by one day this year as the traditional Mid-Autumn Festival fell on Oct. 4.

Several railway traffic indices set new highs, with the daily average number of passengers over 10 million for nine consecutive days. Oct.1 alone witnessed 15 million trips, the highest ever on a single day.

During the holiday, on average 7,852 trains were scheduled each day, 713 more than the same period last year, including 5,273 high-speed trains, 788 more than that of 2016.

More than 700 million tourists traveled around the country and generated 584 billion yuan (about 88 billion U.S. dollars) in revenue, according to the China National Tourism Administration.
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Old October 10th, 2017, 04:02 AM   #6149
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Locomotives are diesel, too.
Some of them. And the electric ones are powered by new "clean coal" stations away out on the coast where they can't be seen. It's a pity the industry is in such flux you can't get stable stats on proportions of solar, wind, hydro, coal, and nuclear...
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Old October 10th, 2017, 04:09 AM   #6150
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Is this line going to be only for slow trains?
Answering my own post, bad etiquette but I've recollected the reason for this to stay standard: they'll be running "fast" (160km/hr?) freight trains on this line for the "Belt and Road" business. Double track and easy grades sure beats humping over the single track Qinling Pass to Baoji, then back up thru the hills via Dingxi.
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Old October 10th, 2017, 05:41 PM   #6151
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Locomotives are diesel, too.
Yes some of them, but the ecological advantages of using DMUs on rural lines to serve villages instead of roads you keep harping about all day applies here. A a diesel freight train locomotive may be 2-3 times more polluting than a truck but it also hauls way more than 2-3 times the amount of freight so on a pollution emitted per km-ton hauled basis, longer high volume trips are better on rail. The difference is that entire cities are just sending cargo between each other on massive fleets of trucks when the same could be accomplished with a few trains, a smaller fleet of trucks and train to truck transfer facilities.
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Old October 10th, 2017, 06:34 PM   #6152
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Yes some of them, but the ecological advantages of using DMUs on rural lines to serve villages instead of roads you keep harping about all day applies here. A a diesel freight train locomotive may be 2-3 times more polluting than a truck but it also hauls way more than 2-3 times the amount of freight so on a pollution emitted per km-ton hauled basis, longer high volume trips are better on rail.
Yes. The true advantage of rail is lower rolling friction of steel on steel compared to rubber.

But what you need is rural/suburban branch lines designed for efficient mixture of freight and passenger traffic. And that cannot be built in a month - it takes several years.
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China has a long term plan to expand the network to 274,000 km (170,000 mi) by 2050
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Old October 11th, 2017, 08:04 AM   #6154
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China has a long term plan to expand the network to 274,000 km (170,000 mi) by 2050
US railway network was expanded from 80 000 km to 140 000 km from 1870 to 1880, and from 140 000 km to 260 000 km from 1880 to 1890. Largely by Chinese, too.
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Old October 11th, 2017, 11:56 AM   #6155
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I have other figures, although similar:
Year: 1835 1840 1850 1860 1870 1890 1913
km: 1,500 6,000 14,517 49,286 85,155 208,845 457,000

What is happening is that it is not the same to put tracks and sleepers through almost uninhabited places, than to build a line with the very rigid current standards of densely populated areas.
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Old October 11th, 2017, 04:28 PM   #6156
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Crowdfunded Train Rescues Stranded Travelers

http://www.caixinglobal.com/2017-10-11/101154979.html

Hundreds of Chinese vacationers in interior Shaanxi province are new converts to “crowdfunding” after their local rail operator used the high-tech tactic to get them home at the end of the recent weeklong National Day holiday.

The Oct. 1 National Day is one of the busiest periods in China, with many passengers finding themselves unable to get tickets home as they compete with hundreds of millions of other Chinese travelers.

Liu Hongyan, from the small Shaanxi city of Yulin, was one such passenger, becoming stranded in the provincial capital of Xi’an after discovering that all tickets back to her hometown were sold out.

With no better alternatives, she was told to take a chance using a new crowd funding service, the China Youth Daily reported. That service, provided by the local rail operator, promised to provide trips home on an extra train if more than 50% of seats were sold from travelers using a crowdfunding-style event on Weibo, China’s equivalent of Twitter.

The new service eventually attracted 122 people, far fewer than the 50% needed to fill the train. But in the end, the Xi’an rail operator decided to run the train anyway, and ultimately sold every one of the 1,200 seats using traditional, low-tech ticket windows.

The new trial won praise from people online and ordinary citizens, who have long criticized the rail operator for ignoring passengers’ real needs.

In the past, it was often difficult to gather such customer information, but recently it has become much easier thanks to the internet, Zhang Yujing, a representative from the Xi’an rail operator, told the Beijing Youth Daily.

Despite praise for the extra train, there is still a lot of room for improvement to the program, Wang Jianlin, an official from the Xi’an operator told China Youth Daily. For example, he added, the crowd funding platform was limited to Weibo, so it excluded anyone without an account.

“Because the country is pushing supply-side reform, we should let passengers have a say in what they want,” he said. “We are improving our services based on their needs.”
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A life on the line: Veteran train driver’s career from steam to bullet trains

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In China, every generation has its own memory of trains.

People born in the 1970s are familiar with smoky and noisy steam locomotives, while those born in the 1980s will have a lasting impression of the crowded green trains with no air conditioning from that era. The memories of the post-90s generation are likely to be entwined with clean, fast electric trains. And youngsters born after 2000 will know little other than high-speed bullet trains.

A handful of train drivers still in the business have sat in the cab of many of these trains over the decades. In a career that has lasted 31 years with no terminus yet called, Xue Jun has acquired six different licenses necessary to drive each new type of train.

Xue, from Jinan in east China’s Shandong Province, dreamed of being a train driver from a very early age. In 1987, after graduating from a railway school, he got his first driving license to operate steam locomotives running at 60 km/h.

However, the reality did not match his dreams – steam trains were dirty and smelly, and driving one was a tough gig.

As the train proceeded into the teeth of the wind, Xue’s cab would be filled with dust and coal ash. The drivers even made up a doggerel saying to make light of the grueling experience: “He looks like a sloppy beggar, or a dirty miner, but when he comes close, he’s actually a train driver.”

In the 1980s, with the popularity of diesel locomotives, steam trains receded. In 1992, as Xue says, he "kept up with the times" by obtaining his second driving license for diesel locomotives with a speed of 90 km/h.

In 1997, China launched a campaign to step up the speed of railway networks to 160 km/h. Against this backdrop, Xue got his third license in 1998. Compared with before, working conditions on diesel locomotive were improved a lot. "There was at least a fan and an electric stove. I could also drive the train in clean clothes," Xue said.

In 2006, he acquired his fourth license when electric locomotives were zooming across the country. He was so satisfied with the comfortable new berth that he determined to keep driving until he retires.

However, Xue had to upgrade his skills once again when China ushered in a new era of high-speed trains in 2007. Bullets trains capable of 250 km/h were put into operation. In 2009, he got a fifth license to drive these vehicles. For the first time in his life, Xue felt what he calls the “Chinese speed” – "The trains can go 83 meters per second".

China is now one of the few countries in the world with the ability to develop bullet trains running at 350 km/h.

In 2011, a new national campaign to further speed up the trains shortened the time needed to travel between Jinan in Shandong Province and Nanjing in the eastern Jiangsu Province from 10 hours to merely 130 minutes. It was in the same year that Xue got his sixth driving license.

As Xue has pursued his childhood dreams with his own increasingly awesome train set, he has kept in mind that high speed could also mean high risk. He concentrates hard on his driving at all times to ensure safety.

The highly qualified driver always remembers "There are more than 1,000 passengers on board, and their families are waiting for them.”

Named by the Jinan Railway Bureau as a model member of the Communist Party of China (CPC), Xue has made many sacrifices in his career. He has even kept a strict diet to avoid any digestive crises which might lead to delays. "No 'incidents' for me!" said the 49 year old.

The record is not only a sign of regard for his health, but also of Xue’s professional devotion and commitment to the hard-working and selfless principles of the CPC.
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Electrified Railway Length in Operation Ranking in the World

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Rank/ Country Date of information/ Electrified Railway Length in Operation(km)

1 China (2016) 80,000

2 South Africa (2014) 24,800

3 India (2016) 23,883

4 Germany (2010) 19,973

5 Poland (2008) 17,358

6 Japan 92009) 16,702

7 Italy (2007) 16,683

8 France 2008 15,140

9 Ukraine (2010) 9,752

10 Spain (2012) 9,623


United States (2014) 1,600

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List of countries by rail transport network size


Rank/ Country/Railway Length in Operation(km)/Date of information

1 United States 250,000[2] 2014

2 China 124,000 2016

3 Russia 86,000 2013

4 India 68,525 2016

5 Canada 46,552 2008

6 Germany 43,468 2010

7 Australia 38,445 2008

8 Brazil 37,743 (2014)

9 Argentina 36,966 2008

10 South Africa 31,000 2014
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World % electrified

Data of the UIC:

% electrified 2005 2010
SWITZERLAND 99 99
LUXEMBOURG 95 95
BELGIUM 84 86
NETHERLANDS 73 76
SWEDEN 77 71
ITALY 69 71
AUSTRIA 62 68
JAPAN 61 61
POLAND 61 60
KOREA 49 60
SPAIN 56 60
GERMANY 57 59
U.E.-15 52 56
FRANCE 50 52
PORTUGAL 51 52
U.E.-25 50 52
FINLAND 46 52
RUSSIA 49 51
SOUTH AFRICA 42 48
CHINA 31 46
BULGARIA 69 44
SLOVAKIA 43 44
SLOVENIA 41 41
TURKEY ? 38
ROMANIA 37 37
HUNGARY 36 36
REP. 32 34
UNITED KINGDOM 32 33
INDIA 28 29
DENMARK 28 24
AUSTRALIA 20 23
ESTONIA 14 17
GREECE 3 14
LATVIA 19 14
LITHUANIA 7 7
IRELAND 3 3
USA 1 1
CANADA 0 0
WORLD TOTAL 30 35
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Hundreds of Chinese vacationers in interior Shaanxi province are new converts to “crowdfunding” after their local rail operator used the high-tech tactic to get them home at the end of the recent weeklong National Day holiday.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20..._136671971.htmhttp://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20..._136671971.htm
The "on-demand service" is a pilot program set up by Shaanxi Railways Bureau, which allows them to add additional train services based on real-time bookings. At this stage it is only available on the Xi'an - Yulin route, which is owned and managed by the provincial authority.....
....The bureau said the new service is an innovation in regional train services, but it will be difficult to extend it to the national level as adding extra services would require advanced coordination between different rail authorities and train stations.
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