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Old July 11th, 2008, 09:04 AM   #821
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Old July 11th, 2008, 01:22 PM   #822
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Although, they look very very nice next to each other, acquiring high speed trains and their tech from more than one country probably isn't very economical. It might create logistical problems and decrease your bargaining possibilities, since you have to divide the number of trains you are going to buy from a country/company. So, why? I mean it is not like military or other strategic capabilities, you hardy have requirement for different sources in case of an unexpected event.
I think the market is large enough to sustain various technology.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 02:21 PM   #823
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Although, they look very very nice next to each other, acquiring high speed trains and their tech from more than one country probably isn't very economical. It might create logistical problems and decrease your bargaining possibilities, since you have to divide the number of trains you are going to buy from a country/company. So, why? I mean it is not like military or other strategic capabilities, you hardy have requirement for different sources in case of an unexpected event.
1) Don't put all your eggs in one basket if you don't have to.
2) Production availability at the various manufacturers - it is unlikely any single manufacturer would be able to devote their production line to build hundreds and hundreds of trains for China all in one go - they are busy fulfilling other contracts already.
3) The trains purchased are not bespoke models - they are off the shelf albeit with a few unique mods - so whilst economies of scale are lost on the purchase price, what this won't include is development costs for each type of vehicle due to that already having been done, making the poorer economies of scale much less of a problem than they could have been.

Saying that though now they have the license for the Velaro and the construction models appear to work they may now change tack.
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Old July 11th, 2008, 05:45 PM   #824
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Old July 12th, 2008, 06:05 PM   #825
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Shanghai - Nanjing high speed

While this article from the Shanghai Daily on 7/10/08 provides no new details it does give a good indication of the ongoing changes in China, especially Shanghai.



High-speed rails leave many folks behind

Created: 2008-7-10
Author:John Gong


THE Yangtze River delta area is one of the most vibrant economic regions in China, with a total annual GDP that probably exceeds that of many sovereign countries.

And nothing epitomizes its spectacular economic growth in the last 20 years more than the expansion of its transport system.

The Shanghai-Nanjing corridor is one of the world's busiest. On an average day, 250,000 people in 60,000 cars and buses show up on the Shanghai-Nanjing highways. Another 70,000 people travel by rail.

The Shanghai-Nanjing highways have a total capacity of nine lanes in each direction, and three more are to be added in the near future.

As for railways, the trains run much faster. Aside from a few green-colored "kowtow'' dinosaur trains (so called because they "kowtow'' or stop at every little station along the way, taking forever to reach Nanjing), much of the traffic is handled by the bullet trains. Technically, these are called Multiple Unit trains, MU, or Dongche as pronounced in Mandarin Chinese.

These bullet trains travel at about 150 kilometers an hour, taking two hours to reach Nanjing from Shanghai. During rush hour, a train leaves Shanghai for Nanjing every eight minutes.

What is truly breathtaking is the future of the railway. Ground was broken just a few days ago on an entirely new Shanghai-Nanjing inter-city railway.

"Railway'' is actually a misnomer, as it is modeled after the city metro or subway system, with the interval between trains to be under three minutes.

A more appropriate name, in my opinion, should be the Shanghai-Nanjing subway, except it does not travel underground.

Then there is the famous Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway, which will pass through Nanjing. It is designed for a maximum speed of 350 kilometers an hour, cutting the total travel time between Shanghai and Nanjing to less than an hour.

It will also be the longest single phase high-speed railway ever built in the world.

Given the high property prices in Shanghai, it may not be a bad idea to buy a condo in Nanjing, and commute to work in Shanghai every morning.

In summary, on the railway side there will be three options within two years with the travel time from Shanghai to Nanjing ranging between one and two hours.

Highway capacity of 12 lanes in each direction and three railway systems connecting two cities are impressive achievements by any standard in the world.

A comparable comparison in the United States is the New York-Washington, DC, route. The old I-95 has been serving the northeast corridor for decades, and there is nothing on the drawing board any time soon to ease the frequent traffic congestion.

Looking at the facts and statistics like these makes me wonder if China is still a developing country. Yet on the way to my office every morning, the band of rag-tag beggars at the subway entrance still reminds me that China is far from being an affluent society.

As we marvel at China's economic growth and engineering achievements, let's not forget that many ordinary citizens are still struggling to make ends meet every day.
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Old July 13th, 2008, 01:09 PM   #826
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China high speed rail plans

The two items below provide a good background of the plans for high speed rail in China including cost (at time of chart $1USD = 7RMB):



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Old July 13th, 2008, 01:58 PM   #827
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That's 9799km, the world hasn't seen railway building on that scale for a hundred years, if ever.
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Old July 13th, 2008, 02:33 PM   #828
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do you know what the travel time between Beijing and Shenzen on that 300kmh high speed rail line will be?
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Old July 13th, 2008, 06:01 PM   #829
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all of them already started, that is immense.
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Old July 13th, 2008, 09:28 PM   #830
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Railways expect first summer passenger peak this weekend

2008-07-13


BEIJING - Railways are expected to see this summer's first peak ridership this weekend, the Ministry of Railways (MOR) said here on Saturday.

"There is a big increase of travelers this year," an official with the MOR said. "The number of passengers has been high since the summer holiday began."
Trains have carried an average of 4.5 million passengers per day since the beginning of this month.

On July 5, the MOR said, 4.76 million people traveled by train, almost the same as last year's record of 4.76 million.

Beijing, Shanghai and Zhengzhou, where many students finished their school terms, saw more than 100,000 passengers per day, and the number was expected to rise in late July as more students went home.


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...nt_6842250.htm
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Old July 14th, 2008, 01:54 AM   #831
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The two items below provide a good background of the plans for high speed rail in China including cost (at time of chart $1USD = 7RMB):

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8...ilwaymamn3.png

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/8...ilwayprjy4.png
Thank you very much, I've been looking for something like that for ages.
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Old July 14th, 2008, 02:32 AM   #832
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How does Hong Kong fit into this, if at all?
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Old July 14th, 2008, 05:20 AM   #833
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How does Hong Kong fit into this, if at all?
Not much at all ... the CRH network stops at Shenzhen, although there are plans to extend it to Hong Kong's West Kowloon, with a new terminus now under construction. Eventually, there will be a high-speed link between Hong Kong and Guangzhou.

Project Thread : http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=506990

However, for cities further north, such as Shanghai and Beijing, Hong Kongers tend to favour airplanes instead.
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Old July 14th, 2008, 04:27 PM   #834
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Bullet trains to shuttle between Beijing and Tianjin

Source: China Daily     Editor: Yang Fan.

Northeast.cnJuly 2 -- China's first inter-city express railway will undergo a one-month trial from July 1 on the route line Beijing and Tianjin, the Ministry of Railway said in Beijing on Monday.

The Beijing-Tianjin express railway is the country's first self-developed express railway, with a designed speed exceeding 300 kilometers per hour. The 115 km journey would only take 27 minutes.

The trial, to be run without passengers, would include spot repairs, train management system control, cleaning and catering services. From July 1 to 10, three pairs of trains will run the route to collect data such as departure and arrival times, said a ministry statement. In the next 10 days, four pairs of trains will run continuously at five-minute intervals while simulating emergency situations, such as power failures, communication signal blackouts, equipment errors and bad weather. The last 10 days, four pairs of trains would run the route at five minutes intervals to ensure coordination of all departments.

The express service is scheduled to begin on August 1.


A stewardess shows the inside of a bullet train at a railway station in Tianjin July 1, 2008. The high-speed trains, to run as fast as 300 kilometers per hour between Beijing and Tianjin, begin test runs on Tuesday. The shuttle train servcie will be provided before the Beijing Olympic Games in August.(Xinhua Photo)


Two stewardesses stand beside a bullet train at a railway station in Tianjin July 1, 2008. The high-speed trains, to run as fast as 300 kilometers per hour between Beijing and Tianjin, begin test runs on Tuesday. The shuttle train servcie will be provided before the Beijing Olympic Games.


Three bullet trains stand ready for departure at a railway station in Tianjin July 1, 2008. The high-speed trains, to run as fast as 300 kilometers per hour between Beijing and Tianjin, begin test runs on Tuesday. The shuttle train service will be provided before the Beijing Olympic Games


A train goes on a test drive on China's first inter-city express railway between Beijing and Tianjin on July 1, 2008. The Beijing-Tianjin express railway began its month-long trial on Tuesday.

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Old July 14th, 2008, 10:15 PM   #835
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actually i prefer a train to colored with red or yellow color, debris on train will not easier to be realize.

this is just my opinion.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 03:56 AM   #836
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very cool pictures, i love bullet trains..
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Old July 15th, 2008, 04:40 AM   #837
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Maybe in 50 years we'll see those high speed trains:

Nanning - Hanoi
Shenyang - Pyongyang - Seoul
Fuzhou - Taoyuan - Taipei
Harbin - Vladivostok
Kunming - Ruili - Mandalay

We can always wish...
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Old July 15th, 2008, 06:06 AM   #838
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The current train between Hanoi and the Chinese border is a joke, so I'd love to see that Hanoi-Nanning line come true!

What about a CRH line Beijing-Helsinki?
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http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/arti...cle_366872.htm
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Express railway to link Shanghai-Hangzhou
By Yang Lifei | 2008-7-15 | NEWSPAPER EDITION

CONSTRUCTION of an express railway between Shanghai and Hangzhou, capital city of Zhejiang Province, will begin next year, the City Express reported today.

Travel time between the cities will be reduced to 30 minutes, from about two hours, once construction is completed, the report said. The line will also extend to Ningbo City in Zhejiang, the report said.

During a research conference on the line, railway authorities revealed the express route would start at the under-construction Hongqiao transport hub in Shanghai. The hub will also be the terminus on the Beijing-Shanghai Express Railway.

With a total investment of 27.6 billion yuan (US$3.9 billion), the Shanghai-Hangzhou route will cover 158 kilometers. The designed speed for trains on the line is 300 kilometers per hour. Five stations will be set up along the route – two in Shanghai and three in Zhejiang, the report said.

Construction started in April on the country's first express railway. It will link the capital to Shanghai and is scheduled to be completed in 2010. The railway will stretch 1,318 kilometers and include 21 stations. It will enable passengers to travel between Beijing and Shanghai in five hours, nine hours less than present trains.
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China High-Speed Passenger Rail Service Uses Video Analytics

May 19, 2008

NICE Systems Ltd. recently announced that it has received another follow-on order from the Ministry of Railway (MOR) in China, for NiceVision Net, the company's end-to-end solution for video security with content analytics.

The IP-based NICE solution was selected following successful implementation on the Qing Zang rail -- the railroad connecting Lhasa in Tibet to Germu in Qinghai, and the Beijing-Tianjin inter-city passenger line -- the country's first high-speed passenger rail service. NICE's business partner for the project is Smartron Technology (China) Inc.

The Hefei-Wuhan high-speed rail line, which is expected to launch in 2009, is part of a massive upgrade and expansion of China's railway system and is part of China's first high-speed train service. The Hefei-Wuhan rail line, which is part of the line which runs from the east coast of China to the heart of China's Midwest, will serve as a great contributor to the economic development of the Anhui Province of which Hefei is the capital.

The scalable IP-based video content analytics solution will be deployed to help protect the railway including its tracks and stations, to verify that there is no destruction and to prevent accidents. By providing real-time alerts to security personnel, the result will be enhanced passenger safety and better asset protection. NiceVision Net will provide with a high availability architecture that is supported by unique features, such as patent pending Zero Points of Failure encoder redundancy, ensuring non-stop surveillance under any condition for mission critical applications.

"Following the success and proven reliability in the two very important and complex projects that are already running, we are very happy to have been selected once again by China's Ministry of Rail for yet another important project," said Israel Livnat, President of the NICE Security Group. "Having been selected for this project reflects NICE's expertise in providing advanced solutions for enhancing the safety and security of mass transit systems all over the world."
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