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Old November 21st, 2008, 10:46 PM   #1021
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I wished the U.S. cared as much about investing in rail as China.

Chinese rail>>>>U.S. rail
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Old November 22nd, 2008, 09:43 AM   #1022
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Most of the 820 km are moutainous areas. Plus the cost to build a rail is moe expensive now than 5 years ago.

i.e. the building of 1km subway costs Beijing about 100 mln yuan in year 2000 but costs 800 mln now.
what's behind the jump.
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Old November 22nd, 2008, 12:47 PM   #1023
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I assume the soaring land cost and labor cost are the major factors.
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Old November 22nd, 2008, 10:08 PM   #1024
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The pictures of Beijing South Station are cool, but I've been to Chinese railway stations before and I've had to wait for trains at the station sometimes and the worst thing about them is not the surroundings, architecture etc, it was the pure boredom of being in some of the stations. Aside from a couple of stations, Beijing West being one of them I think, there are very few stores or restaurants in the station itself, very few facilities for us to chip away at the time.

I really hope that after they've built the basic infrastructure, that they start looking at doing something about that. Not a priority now, but something for the future.

Another thing they should also look at dealing with is the unavoidable 'surge' when gates open. It is ridiculous being squashed and pushed by a crowd because they want to board 'faster'. Even the police don't have control half the time of what I can only kindly term a mob! Chinese railways need more crowd control and instill an understanding that pushing won't cause tickets to be checked faster or boarding to be done any quicker.

That being said, I will still be looking forward to doing Beijing to Wuhan in Soft Sleeper

Does anyone know if Beijing to Wuhan has a Deluxe Soft Sleeper with only two beds?
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Old November 23rd, 2008, 10:43 AM   #1025
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Isnt this the platform of the new Tianjin Train station?


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Old November 23rd, 2008, 10:44 AM   #1026
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Oh when riding on these CRH do different train types go to different cities or they basically serve the same route?
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Old November 23rd, 2008, 05:08 PM   #1027
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Isnt this the platform of the new Tianjin Train station?


Yes, good eye, took me a few minutes to realize it. Beijing South station has recessed doors, but Tianjin station has doors right at the wall.

Here's a few of my pics of Tianjin Station, very modernist Soviet-style station:



















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Oh when riding on these CRH do different train types go to different cities or they basically serve the same route?
CRH1 is in use in Guangzhou-Shenzhen line, CRH2 is in use for Shanghai-Hangzhou and Shanghai-Nanjing lines, along with Beijing-Tianjin, CRH3 is exclusively Beijing-Tianjin, and CRH5 is under development, rumored to be used for Beijing-Harbin.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 06:11 AM   #1028
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CRH1 is in use in Guangzhou-Shenzhen line, CRH2 is in use for Shanghai-Hangzhou and Shanghai-Nanjing lines, along with Beijing-Tianjin, CRH3 is exclusively Beijing-Tianjin, and CRH5 is under development, rumored to be used for Beijing-Harbin.

Almost completely untrue.

The CRH1 and CRH2 runs in hundreds of routes all across China. Although you're right about the Guangzhou-Shenzhen line operating mainly CRH1s for its commuter transit featured design.

CRH5 was introduced in the same time as the CRH1 and CRH2 and it runs mainly in northern China due to its superior ability to operate in colder and harsher weather. The CRH5 family was plagued with problems at its introduction, so it'll most likely stay in northern China until it proves its worthiness to other regions.

The CRH3 is not exclusively for the Beijing-Tianjin line; the Beijing-Tianjin line just happens to be the first line to use this family of trains. CRH3 will most likely be also used on other 300-350km/h high-speed passenger only lines that are currently under constructions; that is unless the CRH3 proves to be a complete failure and the railway ministry decides to drop the family out of service completely.

A bit more information, although the CRH2s all look alike, there are at least 5 sub models to the family. The CRH2-XXXA is the original 8 carriage trains designed in Japan. There are also CRH2-XXXB, XXXC, XXXD and XXXE that designates other models such as ones with 16 carriages instead of the original 8, 8 carriage models with sleeper cars, 16 carriage models with sleeper cars and models capable of operating at 350km/h, instead of the original designed 250km/h. The 350km/h models currently operate on the Beijing-Tianjin line along side of the CRH3.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 06:17 AM   #1029
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Thanks for detailed information.
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Old November 24th, 2008, 07:46 AM   #1030
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The CRH-1 train

The CRH1 electric multiple units is a Chinese high-speed train based on Bombardier technology and built by a Chinese-Canadian joint venture between Bombardier and Sifang at Bombardier Sifang Power Transportation factory in Qingdao, Shandong Province, People's Republic of China.
Its highest speed reaches 250km/h.


















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Old November 24th, 2008, 07:51 AM   #1031
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China Development maglev sistem? When begin the construction of maglev sistem?
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Old November 24th, 2008, 09:49 AM   #1032
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There was a proposal to build a Beijing-Shanghai maglev line with Transrapid technology, but that was changed to regular steel wheels HSR. A proposal to build Shanghai-Hangzhou Transrapid has been cancelled, reinstated, cancelled, reinstated, and cancelled. No one know what will happen, but a regular HSR is already under construction so it may never be built.
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Old November 25th, 2008, 03:18 AM   #1033
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China Development maglev sistem? When begin the construction of maglev sistem?
A long ranged one will probably be delayed indefinately for the foreseeable future.

The extention of a current Shanghai line to the city's other airport/transit hub may still have a chance of coming into existance.

This, ofcourse, rest almost solely onto good politics played and practiced by the German leaders, whom until recently have showned uncontrolled rudeness towards the Chinese; especially during the Olympics.
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Old November 25th, 2008, 03:34 AM   #1034
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This, ofcourse, rest almost solely onto good politics played and practiced by the German leaders, whom until recently have showned uncontrolled rudeness towards the Chinese; especially during the Olympics.
I don't follow, what are you talking about in particular.
Please elaborate.
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Old November 25th, 2008, 04:57 AM   #1035
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I don't follow, what are you talking about in particular.
Please elaborate.
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Old November 25th, 2008, 06:18 AM   #1036
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DL is friend of Germany. China should accept that.
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Old November 25th, 2008, 07:36 PM   #1037
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Please don't ruin this thread with politics.
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Old November 26th, 2008, 04:03 AM   #1038
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China to invest 120 bln yuan in second railway for Xinjiang

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URUMQI, Nov. 25 (Xinhua) -- China will spend 120 billion yuan (17.6 billion U.S. dollars) to build a second railway linking the northwestern Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region with inland cities, according to information from a meeting of the Xinjiang committee of the Communist Party of China on Tuesday.

Construction is expected to begin next year, with investment from the central and local governments and other sources.

The new line will be parallel to the existing Lanxin Railway linking Gansu, Qinghai and Xinjiang. Only passenger trains will run on it.

When the new line is completed, the old Lanxin railway, running1,892 kilometers, will be used by cargo trains only.

Xinjiang, a vast region in China's far west, boasts rich oil, coal and other resources and is the country's major cotton producer. Lanxin is currently the only railway linking Xinjiang and other parts of China.

Railway officials said the new rail line will break the bottleneck of transport for Xinjiang in its economic development, ease the pressure on the Euro-Asian continental bridge and facilitate exchanges between China and its west neighbors.

Another 100 billion yuan would be injected to improve Xinjiang's highway network between 2009 and 2013, according to information from the meeting.
(http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...t_10410141.htm)
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Old November 26th, 2008, 05:59 AM   #1039
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DL is friend of Germany. China should accept that.
not gonna go into anything. But the acceptence of the fact that German busineses will miss out on potential contracts should be mutual. That mentioned, I feel very sad that the Transrapid Maglev may become a victum of this.

i'll stop it here on my part.
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Old November 26th, 2008, 05:17 PM   #1040
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so you put your view of politics into this thread, expect us to accept it and just "stop on your part".

Really funny.....and the Transrapid Maglev deal failed, because the germans didnt want to hand out the core technology, not because of a monk.
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