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Old November 27th, 2008, 01:28 AM   #1041
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Almost completely untrue.

The CRH1 and CRH2 runs in hundreds of routes all across China. Although you're right about the Guangzhou-Shenzhen line operating mainly CRH1s for its commuter transit featured design.

CRH5 was introduced in the same time as the CRH1 and CRH2 and it runs mainly in northern China due to its superior ability to operate in colder and harsher weather. The CRH5 family was plagued with problems at its introduction, so it'll most likely stay in northern China until it proves its worthiness to other regions.

The CRH3 is not exclusively for the Beijing-Tianjin line; the Beijing-Tianjin line just happens to be the first line to use this family of trains. CRH3 will most likely be also used on other 300-350km/h high-speed passenger only lines that are currently under constructions; that is unless the CRH3 proves to be a complete failure and the railway ministry decides to drop the family out of service completely.

A bit more information, although the CRH2s all look alike, there are at least 5 sub models to the family. The CRH2-XXXA is the original 8 carriage trains designed in Japan. There are also CRH2-XXXB, XXXC, XXXD and XXXE that designates other models such as ones with 16 carriages instead of the original 8, 8 carriage models with sleeper cars, 16 carriage models with sleeper cars and models capable of operating at 350km/h, instead of the original designed 250km/h. The 350km/h models currently operate on the Beijing-Tianjin line along side of the CRH3.
Thanks, however, I've been in a CRH2 at 350km/h, so even though they travel on regular rail, they have a higher top speed than 200km/h CRH1. And I meant CRH3 is only at Beijing Tianjin for now, of course it will be placed in other lines later. Anyway, it's obvious that you're the expert, thanks for the info.
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Old November 27th, 2008, 06:39 AM   #1042
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Thanks, however, I've been in a CRH2 at 350km/h, so even though they travel on regular rail, they have a higher top speed than 200km/h CRH1. And I meant CRH3 is only at Beijing Tianjin for now, of course it will be placed in other lines later. Anyway, it's obvious that you're the expert, thanks for the info.
They're a different CRH2s. The ones that travel on regular rail only look similar to the 350km/h ones, but they are configurated differently. The ones that you're talking about are the CRH2-XXXC.

The 250KM/h ones are configured DT+M+M+T+T+M+M+DT.

The 350KM/h ones are I believe configured as DT+M+M+M+M+M+M+DT.
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Old November 27th, 2008, 06:50 AM   #1043
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so you put your view of politics into this thread, expect us to accept it and just "stop on your part".

Really funny.....and the Transrapid Maglev deal failed, because the germans didnt want to hand out the core technology, not because of a monk.
they brought the first line without tech transfer didn't they? Believe what you will, but everything always have everything to do with everything else. Be it politics, economics, social structure or just plain not paying enough under the table.

The technology transfer is but one of the issues out standing. But if you think this is the only reason that's stopping them from buying the line, then you're underestimating both the Chinese and Transrapid.

And for your information Shanghai have, until now, approved the Transrapid Maglev extention (as far as I counted) at least 3 times, neither of which had Transrapid agreed to transfer technology. Shanghai do care about the technology, they also want the line. They even included the Maglev in the design of the Hongqiao Transit Hub, currently under construction. But the construction of the Maglev line still hasn't started. Can you tell me why?
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Old November 27th, 2008, 06:56 AM   #1044
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Is there a map of China's vision of how the railway system will be like in 10 or 15 years? Which parts of the country is planning to build HSR?
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Old November 27th, 2008, 02:51 PM   #1045
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Is there a map of China's vision of how the railway system will be like in 10 or 15 years? Which parts of the country is planning to build HSR?
here it is :lastest version
Bold blue lines and bold red lines are all high speed railway
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Old November 27th, 2008, 10:03 PM   #1046
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Great map! Thanks! What are the stippled lines? Are they visions?
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Old November 28th, 2008, 09:16 AM   #1047
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$730b plan to expand railways

2008-11-28


The national rail network is set to grow by 41,000 km by 2020, thanks to a 5 trillion yuan ($730 billion) government spending plan, a senior railways official said on Thursday.

By 2020, the country's rail network will stretch 120,000 km, Lu Dongfu, vice-minister of railways, said at a press conference in Beijing.



The large-scale projects will be good news for passengers, as journey times between capital cities will be "cut in half", he said.

The increased spending is part of the country's mid- to long-term railway plan, revisions to which were approved by the State Council on Oct 31, but announced only yesterday.

The project will include the construction of new rail lines, "doubling" existing ones, and the electrification of certain other sections, Lu said.

"By 2020, 41,000 km of new lines will be in place, up from the original plan to build 16,000 km of track," he said.

The massive plan will include the construction of routes linking China to Russia, Mongolia and other neighboring countries, and the expansion of cross-country routes, he said.

The high-speed rail network will also be extended by 16,000 km, rather than 12,000 km as originally planned, he said.

By 2020, the length of railways on which passenger trains can run at up to 200 kph will be 50,000 km, up from the planned 30,000 km, Lu said.

By linking all provincial capitals and cities with more than 500,000 residents, the network will be accessible to 90 percent of the population, he said.



The changes to the railway plan were made partly in response to the need to boost domestic demand, he said.

Yang Zhongmin, director of the railway ministry's planning department, said the project will create 6 million jobs, and consume 20 million tons of steel and 120 million tons of cement.

A number of rail projects, valued at 1 trillion yuan, are already under construction across the country, he said.

Next year, 600 billion yuan will be spent on the construction of track and 100 billion yuan on buying rolling stock, Yang said.

Also on Thursday, Zheng Jian, deputy chief engineer with the ministry, responded to recent suggestions in the media that China has a shortage of skilled manpower.

"We have about 30,000 professionals in railway design and geological surveying, which is more than enough to meet our requirements," he said.

Also, stringent control mechanisms have been developed to monitor construction quality and the use of funds, he said.

By the end of this year, the country's rail network will have grown to 79,000 km.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...nt_7249032.htm
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Old November 28th, 2008, 09:27 AM   #1048
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I hope China speeds up the development plan for the railways. They still need to catch up to European Union (236,436 km) and United states (226,612 km).
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Old November 28th, 2008, 01:53 PM   #1049
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China´s railway projects to boost GDP by 1.5%

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Railway authorities in China say they expect massive investment in the sector to boost GDP growth by as much as 1-and-a-half percent.

Speaking at a news conference on Thursday, the Ministry of Railways announced plans to build 40,000 kilometers of new lines over the next 12 years.

Total investment is expected to hit 5 trillion yuan. But 15 billion yuan is likely to be spend by the end of this year alone on 25 new projects, including several express links.

The Ministry also confirmed it had got government approval for mid-and-long term construction plans, and that it expects to sell at least 100 billion yuan of construction bonds next year.

Expanding railways is one of the key parts of China's recently announced plan to spend up to 4 trillion yuan on developing infrastructure and boosting domestic demand.
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Old November 28th, 2008, 01:56 PM   #1050
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China to operate 16,000-km passenger-dedicated lines by 2020

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BEIJING, Nov. 27 (Xinhua) -- The Chinese Ministry of Railways (MOR) on Thursday increased the mileage of passenger-dedicated lines planned to be in service by 2020 to 16,000 km in a revised Medium- and Long-term Railway Network Plan.

According to the revised plan, announced officially on Thursday, China plans to have more than 120,000 km of rail lines by 2020, about 60 percent of which are to be electrified.

This is an increase on a 2004 plan for about 100,000 km of railways and 12,000 km passenger-dedicated lines by 2020. The old plan had only 50 percent of the country's railways electrified.

At a press conference held to announce the plan, MOR vice minister Lu Dongfu said the plan was approved by the State Council, or the Cabinet, on Oct. 31.

"The 16,000-km express passenger rail network (capable of speeds of more than 200 km/hour) is designed to link provincial cities with a population of more than 500,000. The network will significantly cut journey times," Lu said.

"Construction of all railway projects in the revised Medium- and Long-term Railway Network Plan will need a total investment of some 5 trillion yuan (732 billion U.S. dollars)," Lu said.

This revised Medium- and Long-term Railway Network Plan covers the years 2004-2020, and so includes money already spent and lines already built.

In addition some of the funding for the Medium- and Long-term Railway Network Plan money will come from the 4 trillion yuan economic stimulus package announced earlier this month (which covers the period 2009-2010), but the vice minister did not elaborate on which projects they were or how much money was involved.

New lines revealed in the plan, and not part of the economic stimulus package, include a line in Liaoning Province linking Shenyang to Dandong, and a line in Henan Province linking Zhengzhou (the provincial capital) and Luoyang.

"The revised plan is set to modernize the network and help the economy achieve sound and rapid development," said Lu.

"Railway has been the weakest chain in the country's infrastructure with insufficient capacity. Railway transportation has long lagged behind the economic development," Lu said.

China's laggard railway system has been having a hard time keeping up with the huge mobility needs and booming economy, Yang said. With many trains running near or above capacity, the country's rail network is strained, but the demands on it are increasing.

By the end of this year, Lu said China would have over 79,000-km rail lines in operation, about 6,000 km more than that at the end of 2003.

China currently only has one high-speed rail line in operation - the Beijing-Tianjin link, which is 120 km in length.
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Old November 30th, 2008, 03:42 PM   #1051
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Shanghai-Beijing high-speed trains on track for next month

2008-11-24


A BEIJING-Shanghai high-speed night train is expected to debut next month, reducing travel time by more than 2 hours, a local newspaper reported today.

The Youth Daily report said railway authorities haven’t decided ticket prices or departure times yet for the approximate 9h15m trip. However, tickets are likely to be more than 500 yuan (US$73) considering the price of existing trains.

The highest current price for sleeper tickets between the two cities is 499 yuan.

One train will likely depart about 9:45pm in each city and arrive at their destinations about 7am the next day, according to the report. The shortest travel time for other trains between the two cities is 11.5 hours.

The trains are likely to be attractive to business passengers as they are comfortable and cheaper than flights, the report said.

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Old December 4th, 2008, 07:53 AM   #1052
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CRH-2 Highspeed Trains

The CRH2 is one of the high-speed train models in China. The CRH2 is a modified E2-1000 Series Shinkansen design. Each train consists of 8 cars. The first 3 sets (numbers 2001-2003) were built in Japan, the next 6 sets (2004-2009) were delivered in complete knock down form and assembled by CSR Sifang Locomotive and Rolling Stock. The remaining 51 sets (2010-2060) were built by Sifang through technology transfer from Japan.
These trains have a maximum operation speed 250 km/h.












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Old December 4th, 2008, 08:10 AM   #1053
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CRH-2c Highspeed Trains

Sifang designed a variant of CRH2, also known as CRH2C, which has maximum operating speed up to 300 km/h by replacing two intermediate trailer cars with motored cars. The first batch of 300 km/h trains were rolled out from Sifang plant on December 2007, and expected to be running on Beijing-Tianjin Intercity line, along with German CRH3 trains.

During the test on 22 April 2008, CRH2C reached a top speed over 370 km/h on Beijing-Tianjin high-speed rail.



















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Old December 4th, 2008, 05:24 PM   #1054
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Great pictures and info, thanks
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Old December 7th, 2008, 03:33 AM   #1055
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Nice view. Looks like busy high speed rail traffic.
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Old December 7th, 2008, 06:39 AM   #1056
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Nice view. Looks like busy high speed rail traffic.
Most Chinese mainlines are at capacity. Taffic is usually very busy.
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Old December 7th, 2008, 02:11 PM   #1057
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CRH2C runs between Beijing and Tianjin with top speed of 342 km/h
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Old December 8th, 2008, 02:11 AM   #1058
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CRH2C runs between Beijing and Tianjin with top speed of 342 km/h
This is the report in Chinese that the train reached over 370 kmph in a test in April

http://news.xinhuanet.com/fortune/20...nt_8049113.htm
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Old December 8th, 2008, 02:20 AM   #1059
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Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railroad nears completion

2008-12-07


BEIJING -- The Ministry of Railways (MOR) said here on Sunday that the world's longest high-speed rail line, connecting the capital and Shanghai, is nearing completion.

MOR spokesman Wang Yongping said 91 percent of the track length, or 1,203 km, has been completed. Remaining major tasks include bridges over the Huaihe and Yangtze rivers and the main terminal in Shanghai, he said. More than 110,000 workers are busy with the remainder of the project.
Trains will take less than five hours to make the run, which is now at least 11 hours.

The MOR has said it plans to have 120,000 km of rail lines in service by 2020, of which 16,000 km would be dedicated to only passenger services.

By the end of this year, China will have more than 79,000 km of rail lines. To meet the 2020 target will require about 5 trillion yuan (US$732 billion), the MOR said.

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Old December 8th, 2008, 04:46 AM   #1060
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^ what trains will be used? Is it those CRH?
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