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Old February 15th, 2009, 12:32 AM   #1221
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They sound about right if you are traveling in the 'Hard Seat' class. 2600km in Hard Seat class though is enough to drive me round the bend!
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Old February 15th, 2009, 01:51 AM   #1222
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3747 km cost ¥177.00, I experienced the cheapest scheduled train service in China last March. I have to say, 50 hours sitting in a crowded un-air-con-ed train carriage makes so much fun!

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Some info about the ticket price:

The price of a ticket can be divided into several parts:
* Basic price
* Speed price
* Aircon price
* Sleeper price
* Other

Basic price is ¥0.05861/km, for long distance passenger, discount is provided, that is:
* Rail distance<=200km: ¥0.05861*d
* Rail distance>200km&&<=500km: ¥0.05861*200+¥0.05861*0.9*(d-200)
* Rail distance>500km&&<=1000km: ¥0.05861*200+¥0.05861*0.9*300+¥0.05861*0.8*(d-500)
* Rail distance>1000km&&<=1500km: ¥0.05861*200+¥0.05861*0.9*300+¥0.05861*0.8*500+¥0.05861*0.7*(d-1000)
* Rail distance>1500km&&<=3000km: ¥0.05861*200+¥0.05861*0.9*300+¥0.05861*0.8*500+¥0.05861*0.7*500+¥0.05861*0.6*(d-1500)
* Rail distance>3000km: ¥0.05861*200+¥0.05861*0.9*300+¥0.05861*0.8*500+¥0.05861*0.7*500+¥0.05861*0.6*1500+¥0.05861*0.5*(d-3000)

You can find out the rail distance on the ticket, from the last four digits of the bar code. Technically, this is called "transport price rail distance", which does not always equal to the real rail distance, but it usually does.

In this case, the basic price is ¥0.05861*200+¥0.05861*0.9*300+¥0.05861*0.8*500+¥0.05861*0.7*500+¥0.05861*0.6*1500+¥0.05861*0.5*(3747-3000)=¥146.14=~¥146

The second part is speed price. This train is a "normal fast"-class train. The speed price is 20% of the basic price, or ¥0.011722/km.

So, the speed price is ¥0.011722*200+¥0.011722*0.9*300+¥0.011722*0.8*500+¥0.011722*0.7*500+¥0.011722*0.6*1500+¥0.011722*0.5*(3747-3000)=¥29.23=~¥29

For "others" price, since this trip is longer than 200 km, we have to pay station "waiting lounge aircon fee", that is ¥1.00. You have to pay for this even your departure station does not have an aircon at all.

We also have to pay "ticket information system development fee", for tickets under ¥10.00, this is ¥0.50, otherwise ¥1.00. So add another ¥1.00 here.

So the final price for this trip is ¥146+¥29+¥1+¥1=¥177
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Old February 15th, 2009, 02:47 PM   #1223
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^ Only 177? My gosh ... the Shanghai maglev is completely over-priced in comparison!
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Old February 18th, 2009, 06:05 AM   #1224
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Maglev set for debut next month

By Xin Dingding (China Daily)
Updated: 2009-02-18

A new maglev train that may one day provide an alternative to existing public transport systems is set to roll off the production line in April, the Beijing Daily reported on Feb 17. Liu Zhiming, chairman of Beijing Enterprises Holdings Maglev Technology Development Co Ltd, which developed the train in cooperation with the National University of Defense Technology, said the magnetic levitation locomotive is a low- to medium-speed train, with a top speed of 120 kph.

The technology it uses was wholly developed in China, Chang Wensen, chief designer with the university's maglev technology research center, said.
The new train offers huge potential for public transport, Liu said. The Shenzhen metro company approached Beijing Enterprises and asked it to conduct a feasibility study into the use of the maglev technology for the city's No 8 urban rail project, Liu told China Daily. The study was started in December and will be completed next month, he said. "But it's still too early to say if Shenzhen will become the first user of our technology," he said. "They want to compare the pros and cons of using maglev as opposed to the traditional light rail option."

At present, only Japan has a low-to-medium maglev line in commercial operation. Several research institutes, including Southwest Jiaotong University, the scientific research institute of the Ministry of Railways, and the Institute of Electrical Engineering under the Chinese Academy of Sciences, have launched and later aborted similar research projects. The locomotive developed by Beijing Enterprises has been in testing for the past eight years. In that time, it has traveled some 30,000 km on the firm's two test tracks in Changsha, Hubei province, and Tangshan in Hebei province. "The maglev train will be ready to go into mass production once it has completed 100,000 test kilometers," Liu said.

The use of low-to-medium speed maglev trains for urban transport has won support from several experts. Sun Zhang, a professor at Tongji University, was quoted by Beijing Business Today as saying that while the system has a similar operating speed to the subway (average 80 kph), the maglev train is cheaper to build and run. Also, compared with light rail options, the maglev is less noisy, has a smaller turning circle and better climbing capacity, he said. The public need not worry about electromagnetic radiation, as low-speed maglev trains generate no more radiation than an average TV set, Liu said.


BEIJING, Photo taken May 24 a of 3-car urban maglev model on display, posted Jun 5 on the Beijing Enterprises Holdings Maglev Technology Development Co. Ltd. site

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Old February 22nd, 2009, 03:56 AM   #1225
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HSR sleepers on the Shanghai-Beijing line from April 1st:


http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/arti...cle_391800.htm
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2009-2-21 | NEWSPAPER EDITION

BULLET trains with sleeping compartments will replace all the daily Z trains between Shanghai and Beijing from April 1, cutting travel times to 10 hours, the Shanghai Railway Administration announced yesterday. One-way fares for an upper berth on the bullet trains will be 655 yuan (US$95.80) compared to the Z trains' 478 yuan. A lower berth will cost 730 yuan, up from 499 yuan.
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Old February 24th, 2009, 12:11 AM   #1226
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Shanghai West Railway Station goes west to expand

By Li Xinran | 2009-2-23 | ONLINE EDITION

THE 104-year-old Shanghai West Railway Station terminal building in Zhenru will be replaced by a larger one next April as part of a traffic hub complex at the city's "west gate" linking neighboring Jiangsu Province.

The 2,000-square-meter old building will be demolished before March 15 and the new terminal will be built 50 meters to the west closer to the future transit hall and links to the Metro Line 11 and the Shanghai-Nanjing railway.

The two-story building will cover 4,000 square meters of floor space and will be one of the 17 railway stations on the inter-city railway between Shanghai and Nanjing, Jiangsu's capital.

It will also function as a hub linking railways, the Metro and bus routes.

The routes for some railway lines using the station will be changed next month with workers now digging an underground passageway to the north of the new station.

In the southwest, Metro Line 11 is under construction.

The Shanghai-Nanjing Railway will run from July 1 next year serving an estimated 16 million passengers annually and boosting the economy of Zhenru area – a sub-center of west Shanghai.

Hong Kong-based Cheung Kong (Holdings) Limited is investing 10 billion yuan (US$1.43 billion) in a development which will begin construction near the station next month or in April.

Cities linked by the railway, such as Zhenjiang, Danyang, Changzhou and Wuxi, have also begun to build new terminal buildings to boost tourism and real estate.

Zhenjiang plans a 90,000 square-meter plaza near its station promoting local food and beverages, tourism, recreation and shopping.
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Old February 24th, 2009, 05:50 AM   #1227
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HSR sleepers on the Shanghai-Beijing line from April 1st:


http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/arti...cle_391800.htm
Bullcrap

Current Z trains (very comfortable soft sleeper trains) take only 11.5 hours for the entire trip, and cost 90RMB less.

So you're spending 90RMB for 1.5 hours in time savings. And the train will not be any more comfortabe either, infact, if anything the shorter high-speed train should be less comfortable than the full sized coach.

What a rip off.
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Old February 24th, 2009, 05:15 PM   #1228
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Bullcrap

Current Z trains (very comfortable soft sleeper trains) take only 11.5 hours for the entire trip, and cost 90RMB less.

So you're spending 90RMB for 1.5 hours in time savings. And the train will not be any more comfortabe either, infact, if anything the shorter high-speed train should be less comfortable than the full sized coach.

What a rip off.
Who told you it cost 90 RMB less? ¥730 - ¥499 = ¥231
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Old February 25th, 2009, 08:36 AM   #1229
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Who told you it cost 90 RMB less? ¥730 - ¥499 = ¥231
read it again... upper berth...
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Old February 26th, 2009, 06:28 AM   #1230
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read it again... upper berth...
upper berth soft sleeper Z-series Beijing-Shanghai = ¥478

upper berth soft sleeper D-series Beijing-Shanghai = ¥655

¥655 - ¥478 = ¥177
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Old February 26th, 2009, 07:31 AM   #1231
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upper berth soft sleeper Z-series Beijing-Shanghai = ¥478

upper berth soft sleeper D-series Beijing-Shanghai = ¥655

¥655 - ¥478 = ¥177
soft sleeper D-series is called "quilts transportation special" (运被子专列) now.
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Old February 26th, 2009, 02:55 PM   #1232
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High-speed link from Shanghai to Hangzhou under way

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By Wang Yingbei
2009-2-26

CONSTRUCTION on the 29.68 billion yuan (US$4.34 billion) Shanghai-Hangzhou high-speed railway started today.

The project, which will be completed before the 2010 World Expo, will cut the journey between the two cities to 38 minutes from the current hour or more and is a part of a plan to cut rail travel time between any two cities in the Yangtze Delta Region to within two hours.

The Shanghai-Hangzhou high-speed rail link will have a top speed of 350 kilometers per hour and will have nine stations on its 159-kilomete route. The stations will be Shanghai Hongqiao Station, Songjiang South Station, Fengjing South Station in Shanghai, Jiashan South Station, Jiaxing South Station, Tongxiang Station, Haining West Station, Yuhang South Station, and Hangzhou East Station in Zhejiang Province.

Intervals between trains will be just three minutes. When it begins operation, the line will handle 210 trains in each direction every day and this may rise 235.

People in Hongqiao will be able to travel more quickly to Songjiang District on the new train than the Metro, which has a maximum speed of 80 kilometers per hour.

Construction on the 300-kilometer Shanghai-Nanjing rail line at a cost of 39.46 billion yuan started last July. A 251-kilometer rail link between Nangjing and Hangzhou is also under construction at a cost of 31.3 billion yuan.

Last April construction started on the 1318-kilometer Shanghai-Beijing high-speed railway at a cost of 220 billion yuan. It will shorten the traveling time between the two cities to just over five hours.

The railway ministry also plans to build new rail links to connect Changzhou and Suzhou, Suzhou and Jiaxing, and Hangzhou and Ningbo, completing a rail network in the Yangtze Delta region by 2020.
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Old February 26th, 2009, 06:57 PM   #1233
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more if it...

Construction starts on Shanghai-Hangzhou high-speed rail line

www.chinaview.cn 2009-02-26

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Guests attend the groundbreaking ceremony of Shanghai-Hangzhou high-speed rail line in Shanghai, east China, Feb. 26, 2009. Groundwork started Thursday on a high-speed passenger rail line that will link Shanghai with Hangzhou in east China with trains that can run up to 350 km per hour. (Xinhua/Chen Fei)

HANGZHOU, Feb. 26 (Xinhua) -- Groundwork started Thursday on a high-speed passenger rail line that will link Shanghai with Hangzhou in east China with trains that can run up to 350 km per hour.

When service starts in 2011, travel time from Zhejiang's capital of Hangzhou to Shanghai will fall to 38 minutes from more than one hour at present, Yu Jian'er, general manager of the Zhejiang Provincial Railway Investment Group Co. Ltd., said Thursday.

That group is building the 159-km line, which will have nine stations. Trains would run at three-minute intervals at rush hour, said Yu.

The Ministry of Railways, the governments of Shanghai and Zhejiang and Baosteel Group will finance the project, which will cost 29.68 billion yuan (about 4.37 billion U.S. dollars).

Yu said that the line, considered a "golden route" for its potential profits, might be listed on the stock market if the Ministry of Railways gave its approval.


Workers attend the groundbreaking ceremony of Shanghai-Hangzhou high-speed rail line in Shanghai, east China, Feb. 26, 2009. Groundwork started Thursday on a high-speed passenger rail line that will link Shanghai with Hangzhou in east China with trains that can run up to 350 km per hour. (Xinhua/Chen Fei)

Rail capacity in the Yangtze River Delta region has reached saturation point, said Yu. He said that during peak travel seasons, cargo transport was often suspended to make way for passenger trains.

Two other rail lines in the Yangtze "economic circle", which includes Shanghai, Nanjing and Hangzhou, are also scheduled for completion by 2011. Once all three are finished, passengers will be able to travel between any two of these major cities within an hour, much faster than at present.

For example, the line from Hangzhou to Nanjing, capital of neighboring Jiangsu Province, will provide a 50-minute trip. At present, passengers must go by way of Shanghai, which takes as long as eight hours.

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沪杭客专基本情况见下表——
总投资 296.8亿元
全长 159公里
时速 350公里/小时
站点 虹桥→松江南站→金山北站→嘉善南站→嘉兴南站→桐乡→
海宁西站→余杭南站→杭州东站
发车频率 初期每天210对列车,远期每天235对
运输能力 8000万人/年
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Old February 27th, 2009, 05:23 AM   #1234
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So is the maglev to Hangzhou being built or not?
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Old February 27th, 2009, 07:46 AM   #1235
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China gets light rail loan from Japanese bank for No 3 light rail project in Chongqing

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2009-02-27

Chinese Ministry of Finance signed an agreement Thursday with the Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC) for one light rail project loan of 22.75 billion yen ($234.3 million).

The ministry said the loan will be used for equipment purchase in the first-phase construction of the No 3 light rail project in Chongqing municipality in southwest China.
According to the ministry, the city's first-phase construction of the No 3 light rail project will cost 5.815 billion yuan ($851 million). The drawdown period of the loan will last till Dec 31, 2011, to be paid back over 16.5 years, including a grace period of three years.

The ministry said so far China has received about $14.6 billion loans from JBIC, a government financial institution facilitating cross-border economic cooperation, for 84 projects.
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Wuhan-Guangzhou express rail

Length:968km
Max speed: 350 km/h
Completion: 2010







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Old February 28th, 2009, 05:21 AM   #1237
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Wuhan-Guangzhou express rail Shaoguan railway station construction













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upper berth soft sleeper Z-series Beijing-Shanghai = ¥478

upper berth soft sleeper D-series Beijing-Shanghai = ¥655

¥655 - ¥478 = ¥177
ok my mistake in reading. But you just proved my point even further.

"quilts transportation special" ahaha

Quilt Express lol
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