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Old March 7th, 2009, 09:21 PM   #1261
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then what do you think?
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Old March 7th, 2009, 09:24 PM   #1262
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Sleeper CRH1

Rumor says sleeper CRH1 will be introduced along with the recently completed Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan high-speed railway. The train is different from sleeper CRH2 introduced earlier in last December. The new train will serve the route between Taiyuan and Shanghai. The 190 km long Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan line cut the travel time from Shijiazhuang to Taiyuan from 5 hours to only about 1 hour. Due to the Taihang mountains, the fastest train from Shijiazhuang to Taiyuan currently cost 4 hours 59 minutes. The line will be officially opened next month. 36*2=72 CRH passenger train services will be available since 2009 April 1. CRH trains will be run at 250 km/h on this line, along with other slower passenger trains and freight trains. However, freight trains will run mostly at night.

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Old March 7th, 2009, 10:12 PM   #1263
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then what do you think?
I think till then the spanish high speed trains will reach 350 km/h too.
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Old March 7th, 2009, 11:49 PM   #1264
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I think till then the spanish high speed trains will reach 350 km/h too.
and? then they will BOTH be the fastest
but still the fastest
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Old March 8th, 2009, 01:41 AM   #1265
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Trains on the Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railroad under construction will run at 350 km per hour, the fastest in the world, said Li Heping, a researcher at the China Academy of Railway Sciences on Friday. The 1,318-km-long railway line, with a designed speed of 350 kilometers per hour, will beat the fastest rails in the world at present, which has a designed speed of 320 kilometers per hour, he said. Trains will take less than five hours to make the run from the capital to Shanghai, which is now at least 11 hours. The new rail line would be used for passenger service, while the existing one for cargo transportation, according to Li.

"The railway traffic strain will be greatly eased by 2012 as the country will increase investment and build faster rails and trains," he said. The Ministry of Railways has said it planned to invest 1.2 trillion yuan ($175.44 billion) to improve the railway system, aiming to have 13,000 km of passenger lines by 2012. According to Li, 8,000 km of the lines would allow trains to travel between 200 to 350 km per hour, and 5,000 km for trains with a speed from 200 to 250 km. The money is part of the 4-trillion-yuan stimulus package announced by the government late last year, the ministry said. Currently, there are not enough seats for all the people who want to travel, especially during the Lunar New Year every year, when millions are on the move for family reunion.

"Research on high-speed trains are going on smoothly," he said. The new trains would be batch-produced after trial operations in 2012. China was developing trains that would run at a designed speed of 350 km per hour, and the speed for test might exceed 380 kilometers, according to Li.

China aimed to put 120,000 km of rail lines in service by 2020, of which 16,000 km would be dedicated to only passenger services, according to the Ministry of Railways. To meet the 2020 target will require about 5 trillion yuan, the ministry said.

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Huh? China already has the fastest trains with Beijing-Tianjin HSR running at 350 km/h, which is faster than any other conventional rail line in the world. Also, China has the fastest rail line of any type, with the Shanghai maglev running at 431 km/h.
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Old March 8th, 2009, 03:50 AM   #1266
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Huh? China already has the fastest trains with Beijing-Tianjin HSR running at 350 km/h, which is faster than any other conventional rail line in the world. Also, China has the fastest rail line of any type, with the Shanghai maglev running at 431 km/h.
I don't know either but maybe the one in 2012 is fully developed by China not any foreign technology as in the case of Beijing-Tianjin HSR and the Shanghai Maglev.

It's just my guess.
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Old March 8th, 2009, 06:39 AM   #1267
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More likely it's a poorly written article with the author noting that the Beijing-Shanghai HSR will open in 2012 running with 350 km/h trains and thinking that they'll then be the fastest high speed trains in the world, but forgetting to remember that 350 km/h trains are already running on the Beijing-Tianjin HSR.
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Old March 8th, 2009, 10:36 AM   #1268
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Old March 8th, 2009, 11:27 AM   #1269
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Trains on the Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railroad under construction will run at 350 km per hour, the fastest in the world, said Li Heping, a researcher at the China Academy of Railway Sciences on Friday. The 1,318-km-long railway line, with a designed speed of 350 kilometers per hour, will beat the fastest rails in the world at present, which has a designed speed of 320 kilometers per hour, he said. Trains will take less than five hours to make the run from the capital to Shanghai, which is now at least 11 hours. The new rail line would be used for passenger service, while the existing one for cargo transportation, according to Li.

"The railway traffic strain will be greatly eased by 2012 as the country will increase investment and build faster rails and trains," he said. The Ministry of Railways has said it planned to invest 1.2 trillion yuan ($175.44 billion) to improve the railway system, aiming to have 13,000 km of passenger lines by 2012. According to Li, 8,000 km of the lines would allow trains to travel between 200 to 350 km per hour, and 5,000 km for trains with a speed from 200 to 250 km. The money is part of the 4-trillion-yuan stimulus package announced by the government late last year, the ministry said. Currently, there are not enough seats for all the people who want to travel, especially during the Lunar New Year every year, when millions are on the move for family reunion.

"Research on high-speed trains are going on smoothly," he said. The new trains would be batch-produced after trial operations in 2012. China was developing trains that would run at a designed speed of 350 km per hour, and the speed for test might exceed 380 kilometers, according to Li.

China aimed to put 120,000 km of rail lines in service by 2020, of which 16,000 km would be dedicated to only passenger services, according to the Ministry of Railways. To meet the 2020 target will require about 5 trillion yuan, the ministry said.

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China already have the fastest conventional trains around.

the Beijing - Tianjin line travels at 350km/h
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and? then they will BOTH be the fastest
but still the fastest
The fastest can only be one. Otherwise you have one of the fastest.

But we shall see, perhaps the french AGV will run 360 km/h at this time.
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Old March 8th, 2009, 04:41 PM   #1271
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oh yea? well how bout Beijing-Tianjin already running at 350?
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Rumor says sleeper CRH1 will be introduced along with the recently completed Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan high-speed railway. The train is different from sleeper CRH2 introduced earlier in last December. The new train will serve the route between Taiyuan and Shanghai. The 190 km long Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan line cut the travel time from Shijiazhuang to Taiyuan from 5 hours to only about 1 hour. Due to the Taihang mountains, the fastest train from Shijiazhuang to Taiyuan currently cost 4 hours 59 minutes. The line will be officially opened next month. 36*2=72 CRH passenger train services will be available since 2009 April 1. CRH trains will be run at 250 km/h on this line, along with other slower passenger trains and freight trains. However, freight trains will run mostly at night.
I think the news is totally wrong.
Sleeper CRHs is called "quilts express" now, becoz of the ticket is more expensive than plane, no one take it.
CRHs are running at passenger special line, the freight trains are heavy enough to make obvious deformation of foundation against high speed trains. In China, if freight trains are running in a line, the speed limit of the line is 150km/h max.
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oh yea? well how bout Beijing-Tianjin already running at 350?
The above text (post 1103) speaks about the future not about today. I answered to that text:

Trains on the Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railroad under construction will run at 350 km per hour, the fastest in the world,
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In China, freight trains do not run 300+ km/h lines, but they do run on 250 km/h lines.

The sleeper will serve the Taiyuan-Shanghai route, of which only the Taiyuan-Shijiazhuang portion is high-speed line.

Besides, in the next month, 5 more "quilts express" will be added to the Beijing-Shanghai route, all Z-series train services between Beijing and Shanghai will be suspended.

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I think the news is totally wrong.
Sleeper CRHs is called "quilts express" now, becoz of the ticket is more expensive than plane, no one take it.
CRHs are running at passenger special line, the freight trains are heavy enough to make obvious deformation of foundation against high speed trains. In China, if freight trains are running in a line, the speed limit of the line is 150km/h max.
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In China, freight trains do not run 300+ km/h lines, but they do run on 250 km/h lines.

The sleeper will serve the Taiyuan-Shanghai route, of which only the Taiyuan-Shijiazhuang portion is high-speed line.

Besides, in the next month, 5 more "quilts express" will be added to the Beijing-Shanghai route, all Z-series train services between Beijing and Shanghai will be suspended.
What a vicious trick Liu Zhijun played!
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Huh? China already has the fastest trains with Beijing-Tianjin HSR running at 350 km/h, which is faster than any other conventional rail line in the world. Also, China has the fastest rail line of any type, with the Shanghai maglev running at 431 km/h.
Yes, China run first the 350 km/h high speed train, but Spain had constructed the first completed 350 km/h line to Barcelona in February 2008 in the world (to Lleida years before), months before Beijing-Tianjin opening.
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Old March 9th, 2009, 11:30 AM   #1277
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China already have the fastest conventional trains around.

the Beijing - Tianjin line travels at 350km/h
Once the maximum speed reached 350km / h (last August), then reduced speed, the current maximum sustained speed is 330km / h. Since the goal of operation are from Beijing to Tianjin arrive half an hour, continuing to run at 330km / h will be able to meet this requirement, but rather than continuing to run at 350km / h, the train maintenance costs lower, so lower speed.

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Yes, China run first the 350 km/h high speed train, but Spain had constructed the first completed 350 km/h line to Barcelona in February 2008 in the world (to Lleida years before), months before Beijing-Tianjin opening.
But why they only allow the trains to run at 300km / h? Is it because some parts of the railway is not completed?
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The fastest can only be one. Otherwise you have one of the fastest.

But we shall see, perhaps the french AGV will run 360 km/h at this time.
I do not think so.

The majority of French high-speed railway track bed from the composition of gravel ballast, if the trains run faster than 320km / h, ballast fly up against the train floor and the bogie. And trains running at speeds up to 350km / h, the impact strength becomes large ballast will aggravate become crushed and turned into liquid, increase the workload of repair and maintenance costs, the economy is not worthwhile on.

Only the use of the ballast less track, the train is running faster than 320km / h it is more security and the economy, but little French railway ballast less track used.

In China, all of 350km / h railway are used are ballast less track.
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I do not think so.

The majority of French high-speed railway track bed from the composition of gravel ballast, if the trains run faster than 320km / h, ballast fly up against the train floor and the bogie. And trains running at speeds up to 350km / h, the impact strength becomes large ballast will aggravate become crushed and turned into liquid, increase the workload of repair and maintenance costs, the economy is not worthwhile on.

Only the use of the ballast less track, the train is running faster than 320km / h it is more security and the economy, but little French railway ballast less track used.

In China, all of 350km / h railway are used are ballast less track.
That can't be correct, look at Spain!
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