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Old March 20th, 2009, 11:44 PM   #1321
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China to purchase 350km/h high-speed trains for 39.2b yuan

2009-03-16

BEIJING - China's Ministry of Railways (MOR) signed a deal with state-owned vehicle producer CNR Corporation Limited (CNR) here Monday to purchase 100 high-speed CRH trains for 39.2 billion yuan (US$5.74 billion).

CRH, an abbreviation for China Railway High-speed, refers to trains with speeds above 200 km per hour. With a designed speed of 350km/h, the new CRH trains will travel between Beijing and Shanghai in 2011, when the construction of the 1318-km, high-speed railway between the capital city and the country's financial hub is expected to complete.

"The contract does not include any foreign parties, as Chinese companies possess core technologies for the high-speed trains and have complete intellectual rights over the 350km/h CRH type," said Zhang Shuguang, director of the transport department under the MOR.

The MOR had introduced railway technologies from Japan, France, Germany and Canada in the development and production of the 200km/h CRH trains already in operation at present.

According to the agreement between the ministry and CNR, all 100 trains will be self-developed and manufactured under the CNR group. Tangshan Railway Vehicle Co. and Changchun Railway Vehicle Co., two CNR subsidiaries, will be in charge of the production of 60 sets and 40 sets, respectively.

Zhang said China would see "large purchases" of CRH trains in the coming years upon the completion of more passenger railway lines across the country.

The MOR has planned to spend 500 billion yuan to buy trains over the next four years.

"The purchases will provide strong support for related industries," Zhang said.

The manufacturing of a CRH train requires nearly 100,000 parts from a wide range of industries such as mechanics, metallurgy, electrics, chemical, and materials.

"We will buy more CRH trains this year as a move to help stimulate domestic demand," said Zhang without giving further details on the purchasing plan.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...nt_7584281.htm
This is a bit odd, since I just read that China agreed with Siemens to construct 100 additional Velaros. 70 of the trains would be built in Tangshan and 30 in Changchun.

The entire trainsets would be built in China with the exception of the boggies and some electrical components that will be built in German and Austria. The contract is supposedly worth 750 million euros for Siemens.

http://www.railwaygazette.com/news_v...ed_trains.html
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Old March 21st, 2009, 02:05 AM   #1322
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I think they might be independent from each other.
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Old March 21st, 2009, 05:04 AM   #1323
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I'm just glad China picked rail over highway.

More efficient!
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Old March 21st, 2009, 07:03 AM   #1324
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Siemens Announces Lucrative Chinese Train Contract

20.03.2009
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German industrial company Siemens AG has received a 750 million euro (US$1 billion) order for its share of a contract to deliver 100 high-speed trains to China. "Siemens has secured five of the last six contracts on the high speed rail market over 300 kmh (188 mph)" in China, the Munich-based conglomerate said in a statement on Friday, March 20.

Siemens said it signed a deal with Tangshan Railway Vehicles Co. Ltd., Changchun Railway Vehicles Co. Ltd., and the Chinese Academy of Railways to supply components like electrical equipment and chassis to the project. The German part of production will take place in Krefeld-Uerdingen and Nuremberg, Germany; Graz, Austria; and Shanghai, Tianjin and Jinan, China.

The first trains for the new Bejing-Shanghai route will be operational by late 2010. "The deal strengthens our long-term partnerships in what will be the biggest high-speed train market in the world," said Siemens executive Hans-Jörg Grundmann in Erlangen on Friday.

The company will supply components for the Velaro trains, which will be assembled in China. The Velaro is a development of Siemens' successful ICE model used in Germany and has a total length of 400 meters, making it world's longest single train used in high-speed transportation. The trains would run at 350 kmh (218 mph) and make the 1318-kilometer (825 mile) run from Beijing to Shanghai in four hours. The Chinese trains will comprise 16 cars and carry around 1060 passengers each.

According to Hans-Jörg Grundmann the order was especially important because it meant supplying the first trains for a line from Beijing to Shanghai. "This is the most important high speed line in the country," he said.

China plans to create the largest high-speed network in the world, Siemens added, and future connections between Wuhan and Guangzhou, and Wuhan and Shijazhuang would also use Siemens' Valero trains. "Altogether, the network of these lines will cover a total distance of approximately 16,000 kilometers (10,000 miles) by the year 2020," the statement said.

Siemens has already delivered 11 high-speed trains to China out of an earlier order in 2004 for 60.

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Old March 21st, 2009, 04:47 PM   #1325
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China Star

What's the actual state of DJJ2 powerheads also called "China Star"?
Is a "son" of this powerheads as new development of these both prototypes?
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 08:58 AM   #1326
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What's the actual state of DJJ2 powerheads also called "China Star"?
Is a "son" of this powerheads as new development of these both prototypes?
ChinaStar several years ago has been to stop development. ChinaStar are power concentrated EMU, with the different order. The ordering of a new generation of trains are power scattered EMU, before a lot of design is based on the introduction of Siemens VelaroCN technology, with no ChinaStar kinship.
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 10:08 AM   #1327
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ChinaStar several years ago has been to stop development. ChinaStar are power concentrated EMU, with the different order. The ordering of a new generation of trains are power scattered EMU, before a lot of design is based on the introduction of Siemens VelaroCN technology, with no ChinaStar kinship.
What about other Chinese high speed rail development?
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 10:51 AM   #1328
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How many coaches has the NDJ3 got?
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 11:33 AM   #1329
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How many coaches has the NDJ3 got?
total 7 coaches: 3 first-class + 1 dining car + 3 second-class.
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 12:59 PM   #1330
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China is developing two high-speed train platform: one, CRH3 represented, and the other, CRH2 represented. In 2004-2005, China introduced Siemens's Velaro technology, formed the original version of CRH3 platform, and introduced Kawasaki's E2-1000 technology, formed the original version of CRH2 platform. Next, in order to meet the traveling needs of Chinese passenger and the technical demands of Chinese Railway(CR), local Chinese factories improved both two native platforms, spawned a series of new versions.

In the future, Chinese high-speed trains will be targeted to meet the future requirements and continue to develop. These requirments include: maximum continuous speed is divided into two types——350km/h and 250km/h——respectively, for the passenger dedicated lines and passenger freight shared lines. In order to cope with the peak of large passenger transport, 80% of the trains will be composed of 16 coaches. Trains can run very long-distance, routing usually is more than 4000km one day. Trains can non-stop high-speed run for 4-8 hours. Thus, compared with high-speed trains usually in Europe and Japan, Chinese hight-speed trains must be equiped with large drinking water tanks, large sewage water tanks, large dining facilities, and even beds to meet the requirments of night-time operations.
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 01:06 PM   #1331
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What about other Chinese high speed rail development?
You say "other Chinese high speed rail" What does this mean? other old trains like ChinaStar? They entered the tomb together. In the future, continue to develop only CRHx. (x = 1, 2, 3)
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 07:49 PM   #1332
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China is developing two high-speed train platform: one, CRH3 represented, and the other, CRH2 represented. In 2004-2005, China introduced Siemens's Velaro technology, formed the original version of CRH3 platform, and introduced Kawasaki's E2-1000 technology, formed the original version of CRH2 platform. Next, in order to meet the traveling needs of Chinese passenger and the technical demands of Chinese Railway(CR), local Chinese factories improved both two native platforms, spawned a series of new versions.

In the future, Chinese high-speed trains will be targeted to meet the future requirements and continue to develop. These requirments include: maximum continuous speed is divided into two types——350km/h and 250km/h——respectively, for the passenger dedicated lines and passenger freight shared lines. In order to cope with the peak of large passenger transport, 80% of the trains will be composed of 16 coaches. Trains can run very long-distance, routing usually is more than 4000km one day. Trains can non-stop high-speed run for 4-8 hours. Thus, compared with high-speed trains usually in Europe and Japan, Chinese hight-speed trains must be equiped with large drinking water tanks, large sewage water tanks, large dining facilities, and even beds to meet the requirments of night-time operations.
Incorrect.

There is also a third 350km/h platform being developed in co with Bombardier. Orders for 40 ZEFIRO series trains have already been placed.
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Old March 23rd, 2009, 09:07 PM   #1333
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I'm just glad China picked rail over highway.

More efficient!
Ahh, if you'll go and check the 'Highways & Autobahns' section of this sub-forvm, you'll find that the Chinese are also in the midst of doing with roads NOW what the USA was doing in the 1950s through the early 1980s - building the interstates. In addition to new rails, they are going COMPLETELY HOG WILD on new major highways.

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Old March 24th, 2009, 03:14 AM   #1334
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I'm just glad China picked rail over highway.

More efficient!
Ah, China actually picked everthing. It currently have the second biggest expressway network, after the USA, and it is still rapidly expanding. By the time its grand plans are done in about a decade and a half, it's expressway network will be comparable to the USA's in terms of total miles. There is a major difference between China's expressway system vs the US. In the US, it's mostly free. In China, it's all toll roads with VERY expensive tolls.

With all the big high speed rail projects being constructed in China, it will have the biggest HSR network in the world in a matter of years, not decades. It'll be fun to take a high speed train from southern China to northern China, and from eastern China to western China. Initially, trains running on this network will be foreign models assembled in China, but eventually China will be able to design and produce it's own high speed trains. Part of their current strategy is to exchange market share for technology from the foreign high speed train makers.

Airports, China has a lot of them. Many of them are big, modern, and efficient. Most were built/expanded/renovated in the last decade of so. Construction pace has slow downed recently but there are still a lot of projects going on. Being the second biggest aviation market in the world, China isn't content on buying foreign aircrafts forever. It's home grown regional jet, the ARJ21, is in test flight stages. It's 737 class big jet should make initial flight in a few years (<4).

Seaports, China has some of the biggest and best in the world for all the trade she does with the rest of the world. It's amazing how she was able to build handling capacity to cope with the explosion in foreign trade over the past two decades. China is also one of the top three shipbuiding countries in the world.

China is crazy when it comes to infrastructure building. I, being in California, only wish for a high speed train from San Francisco to Los Angeles. But, that's just wishful thinking.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 03:37 AM   #1335
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Some statistics I found on the Internet

350 km/h PDL line
Beijing - Tianjin 120 km, opend in 2008
Wuhan - Guangzhou 989 km, will open in 2009
Zhengzhou - Xi'an 484.518 km, will open in 2009
Beijing - Shijiazhuang 269.65 km, will open in 2010
Nanjing - Hangzhou 249 km, will open in 2011
Guangzhou - Hongkong 142 km, will open in 2011
Shanghai - Hangzhou 160 km, will open in 2012
Beijing - Shenyang 687 km, will open in 2012
Shijiazhuang - Wuhan 840.7 km, will open in 2012
Tianjin - Qinhuangdao 258 km, will open in 2012
Chengdu - Chongqing 294 km, will Open in 2013
Beijing - Shanghai 1318 km, will open in 2013
Harbin - Dalian 904 km, will open in 2013

300 km/h PDL line
Ningbo -Wenzhou 268 km, will open in 2009
Fuzhou - Xiamen 273 km, will open in 2009
Shanghai - Nanjing 296 km, will open in 2010
Qingdao - Rongcheng 296 km, will open in 2013

250 km/h PDL line
Qinhuangdao - Shenyang 404 km, opened in 2003
Jinan - Qingdao 360 km, opened in 2008
Hefei - Ningbo 119 km, opened in 2008
Hefei - Wuhan 357 km, Opened in 2008
Shijiazhuang - Taiyuan 189 km, will open in 2009
Haikou - Sanya 296.7 km, will open in 2009
Wenzhou - Fuzhou 298.4 km will open in 2009
Chongqing - Wanzhou 255 km, will open in 2010
Hangzhou - Ningbo 150 km, will open in 2011
Hefei - Bengbu 130.67 km, will open in 2012
Nanning - Guangzhou 559 km, will open in 2012

200 km/h PDL line
Hefei - Ningbo 156 km, opened in 2008
Nanjing - Anqing 250.169 km, will open in 2009
Changchun - Jilin 109 km, will open in 2009
Nanchang - Jiujiang 131.27 km, will open in 2010
Xiamen -Shenzhen 495.25 km, will open in 2011
Jiangyou - Leshan 323 km, will open in 2012
Nanning - Liuzhou 223.3 km, will open in 2012
Harbin - Qiqihar 284.89 km, will open in 2012
Wuhan - Yichang 291.83 km, will open in 2012
Chongqing - Lichuan 264 km, will open in 2012
Fuzhou - Putian 603.6, will open in 2012
Guiyang - Guangzhou 857 km, will open in 2015

200 km/h UCR line
Guangzhou - Shenzhen 147 km, opened in 2007
Beijing - Harbin 1388 km, opened in 2007
Beijing - Shanghai 1463 km, opened in 2007
Beijing - Guangzhou 2294 km, opened in 2007
Jinan - Qingdao 393 km, Opened in 2007

Source: http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=958110
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Designed speed 160 km/h. Top speed 200 km/h.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 04:55 AM   #1337
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Here are some data on the Bombardier Zefiro ^.^b
http://www.superscooper.com/en/1_0/p...ription_en.pdf
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There is also a third 350km/h platform being developed in co with Bombardier. Orders for 40 ZEFIRO series trains have already been placed.
I did not put Bombardior included because it is as an independent supplier of rail vehicles in the Chinese high-speed railway market. Strictly speaking, only CRH2 platform, CRH3 platform for the future design and development led by the Chinese local enterprises(CSR and CNR), CRH1 future design and development will be led by Bombardior, so do not put it into Chinese design.

40 trains order Bombardior obtained include two types: 20 normal(seat) EMU, based on the existing CRH1A. Another 20 sleeper EMU, based on the new platform Zefiro. Two types of trains are all 16 coaches per train, the maximum speed is 250km/h.

You say "There is also a third 350km/h platform being developed in co with Bombardier", I have never heard. I just heard about the recent new orders of 100 trains, originally intended to integrate Bombardior‘s products in traction subsystem, but after opening, Bombardior was replaced by Hitachi. However, I believe the future Bombardior is still possible to obtain more order that supply some components which will be integreted into new version of CRH3 and CRH2, but should not be a new platform.

Bombardior want to sell 350km/h Zefiro to China, I am afraid there is difficult, because this speed level of Zefiro trains did not been to a sell.

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I did not put Bombardior included because it is as an independent supplier of rail vehicles in the Chinese high-speed railway market. Strictly speaking, only CRH2 platform, CRH3 platform for the future design and development led by the Chinese local enterprises(CSR and CNR), CRH1 future design and development will be led by Bombardior, so do not put it into Chinese design.

40 trains order Bombardior obtained include two types: 20 normal(seat) EMU, based on the existing CRH1A. Another 20 sleeper EMU, based on the new platform Zefiro. Two types of trains are all 16 coaches per train, the maximum speed is 250km/h.

You say "There is also a third 350km/h platform being developed in co with Bombardier", I have never heard. I just heard about the recent new orders of 100 trains, originally intended to integrate Bombardior‘s products in traction subsystem, but after opening, Bombardior was replaced by Hitachi. However, I believe the future Bombardior is still possible to obtain more order that supply some components which will be integreted into new version of CRH3 and CRH2, but should not be a new platform.

Bombardior want to sell 350km/h Zefiro to China, I am afraid there is difficult, because this speed level of Zefiro trains did not been to a sell.

Sifang Coach Works, I believe, is the local enterprise working with Bombardier on the ZEFIRO project.

Please refer to Bombarider's website for more information. It states that 40 sets have already been ordered.
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High-speed rails to slash travel time

By Xin Dingding (China Daily)
Updated: 2009-03-25

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Two high-speed railways opening on April 1 will dramatically slash travel time between the hinterland and the coastal regions, a senior railway official said yesterday.

Stretching more than 350 km, the Hefei-Wuhan passenger railway, along with the Hefei-Nanjing lines opened last year, will provide the shortest link between Central China and East China's Yangtze River Delta region. "Riding a bullet train at 250 kph from Wuhan to Nanjing will need less than three hours, almost eight hours less than now," said Zhang Shuguang, chief of the transportation department of the Ministry of Railways. Passengers traveling from Wuhan to Shanghai will also benefit, with travel time cut in half to only four hours and 45 minutes, he said.

The other new high-speed railway is the 190-km Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan railway linking the north and the west. Zhang said the travel time between the capital cities of Hebei and Shanxi provinces will be cut from five hours to only one. Passengers traveling between Taiyuan and Beijing will need only three hours, a saving of more than five hours.

Airlines and bus companies, feeling the pinch from the new railways, are cutting prices. Wuhan-based Chutian Metropolis News reported that discounts of up to 70 percent will be given to flights from Wuhan to Shanghai starting April 1. The cost of a bus ticket will be reduced from 185 yuan ($27) to 90 yuan tomorrow. Starting next month, the ministry will add 89 pairs of passenger trains on a number of popular routes, increasing passenger capacity by 10.6 percent, Zhang said. The ministry is also considering selling train tickets by phone and via the Internet, with regions such as Guangdong and Chongqing piloting the practices, he said. China opened its first high-speed railway, the 350-kph Beijing-Tianjin route, last year.

At present, 200 bullet trains are zipping through major cities in China, Zhang said, with 600 more expected to be on the tracks by 2012, when China's high-speed rail network takes shape and securing a train ticket in peak travel seasons will no longer be a problem. Some of the bullet trains will have sleepers for travelers. In December, the ministry put such trains on the Beijing-Shanghai and Beijing-Hangzhou railways, charging a record 600 to 700 yuan for a sleeper ticket. While many doubted the popularity of such trains, Zhang said an average occupancy rate of 70 percent is good enough. "Passengers will see more half-empty trains than crowded ones in the future, thanks to the progress of longer railways and better and faster trains," he said.
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