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Old April 4th, 2009, 06:41 PM   #1401
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Jesus this car is running nearly 300km/h! Can anyone read in the thread and tell us how fast it is?
the distance of two poles is 50m,so you can calculate
it's about 270km/h or so
ps:that my calculation result
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Old April 5th, 2009, 09:27 AM   #1402
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Feb 2009

Beijing-Zhangjiakou rail (picture taken feb 2009)





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Old April 5th, 2009, 01:50 PM   #1403
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Cool videos. That driver in the car should concentrate on the road and not the train! lol. Anyways China should focus more on railway development that freeways due to its high population. The amount of rail should exceed those of freeways and in the future they should privatize the railway system.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 03:24 PM   #1404
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Railway length (80000km) is actually longer than expressway (60,000km) length by the end of 2008.

The privatization has started but so far only a small portion of total railway is allowed to be privatized.
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Old April 5th, 2009, 07:28 PM   #1405
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Why should China privatize its rail system?

That approach hasn't worked very well- look at Britain.
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Old April 6th, 2009, 01:40 AM   #1406
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I'm against privatisation of important infrastructures like water, electricity and communication including public transportation.
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Old April 6th, 2009, 01:44 AM   #1407
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Don't worry. China has plenty of resources to nationalize them when it becomes necessary to do so.
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Old April 6th, 2009, 01:44 AM   #1408
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Privatization? What a mess.
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Old April 6th, 2009, 05:29 AM   #1409
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Why should China privatize its rail system?

That approach hasn't worked very well- look at Britain.
it's debatable to privatize the whole system but some parts of the railway lines can be privatized. The main benefits are,

1. receive funds to build the rail;
2. improve efficiency;

Da-qin railway is a good example of it.
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Old April 6th, 2009, 06:47 AM   #1410
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1. receive funds to build the rail;
That will be "profit" and definitely not going to be given to government to build more railways.

Also, privatization will translate into more expensive tickets, not a good thing for Chinese poor. Even Amtrak is government owned Railway is not a great business per se. It is more like a public service. Self sufficiency should be target.
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Old April 6th, 2009, 07:14 AM   #1411
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I suspect the government will be holding back on its plans to privatize the system, in light of the massive public investment earmarked for the system (and especially since the west is nationalizing all its banks).

Right now only the line between Guangzhou and Shenzhen is privatized (you can buy its stock on NYSE at GSH). The Datong-Qinhuangdao line is only dedicated to transporting coal from the coal mines to the ports, and therefore may not matter as far as the system is concerned.
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Old April 7th, 2009, 04:48 AM   #1412
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After 2005 most of the new high-speed railway to allow private equity participation, but not controlling. Controlling shareholder is still the country.
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Old April 7th, 2009, 10:43 AM   #1413
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Some things shouldn't be privatized till one's country is fully developed. Fast railway construction is very unprofitable in a short term, in China full privatization would slow it dramatically.
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Old April 7th, 2009, 11:05 AM   #1414
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I agree, China needs to build its rail network quickly and efficiently, they need expanded capacity and higher speeds NOW, not in 5 years. The private sector would probably not be able to deliver on either counts because they just don't have the capital for some of the projects planned or they wouldn't want to take the risk. Private companies also don't always plan according to what's best in the big picture, they plan for what's best for themselves.
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Old April 8th, 2009, 04:21 AM   #1415
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Public transit and infrastructure was, is, and will NEVER be profitable regardless of where, when, the system, over how long, or in what nature.

Infrastructure should never ever be privatized, outsourced, or be managed by any type of an organization other than publicly accountable bureaucracies of which employees working for it are on public servant payrolls.

Privatization of infrastructure have failed in almost every place that have attempted it and the only places that still wants to try it are the ones that have politicians on private sector payrolls with no long term interest of the public in mind. Oh wait; did I just describe the entire liberal democratic ideology?
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Old April 8th, 2009, 04:54 AM   #1416
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Privatization of infrastructure have failed in almost every place that have attempted it and the only places that still wants to try it are the ones that have politicians on private sector payrolls with no long term interest of the public in mind. Oh wait; did I just describe the entire liberal democratic ideology?
I'm afraid you did, sir
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Old April 8th, 2009, 05:06 AM   #1417
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Public transit and infrastructure was, is, and will NEVER be profitable regardless of where, when, the system, over how long, or in what nature.

Infrastructure should never ever be privatized, outsourced, or be managed by any type of an organization other than publicly accountable bureaucracies of which employees working for it are on public servant payrolls.

Privatization of infrastructure have failed in almost every place that have attempted it and the only places that still wants to try it are the ones that have politicians on private sector payrolls with no long term interest of the public in mind. Oh wait; did I just describe the entire liberal democratic ideology?
And yet most all public transit in Japan are privatized makes profit while providing best quaility service to the riders and community as a whole.
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Old April 8th, 2009, 05:22 AM   #1418
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That would not be possible without the massive density which creates massive latent demand for rail travel, which allows a profitable system.

When you're talking about an entire nation like China, which includes vast areas of frozen wasteland, this does not make any sense.
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Old April 8th, 2009, 07:11 AM   #1419
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Chinese railway pictures

Beijing-Baotou rail (832km)

Rail started construction in 1905.
Latest renovation: double track project finished in 1989

pics taken 4.3.2009,











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Beijing-Baotou rail (832km)

Rail started construction in 1905.
Latest renovation: double track project finished in 1989

pics taken 4.3.2009,
Yellow earths! a rugged and suggestive panorama!
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