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Old April 9th, 2009, 06:17 AM   #1421
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That would not be possible without the massive density which creates massive latent demand for rail travel, which allows a profitable system.

When you're talking about an entire nation like China, which includes vast areas of frozen wasteland, this does not make any sense.
then imagine how much better it could be if the operators arn't out to make a profit.
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Old April 9th, 2009, 06:29 AM   #1422
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If the operator is publicly owned *and* profitable, this is a very good thing because it provides the government with more revenue.

If the operator is privately owned and profitable (barring any PPP shenanigans), and if the fares are reasonable, this is also a good thing because the government can tax the company and rely on the service provided.
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Old April 9th, 2009, 07:26 AM   #1423
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China Railway Construction bags 6.23b yuan order

By Zheng Lifei (China Daily)
Updated: 2009-04-09

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China Railway Construction Corp said yesterday that it had won contracts worth 6.23 billion yuan for a rail project in East China, the latest mega order the company has won this year from the country's frantic rail building boom. The country's second biggest railway and expressway builder said its subsidiaries have won an order to build part of a passenger-only express rail between Shanghai and Hangzhou, capital city of East China's Zhejiang province. The value of the contracts is equivalent to 3.51 percent of the company's 2007 revenue under the Chinese accounting standards, the Shanghai-listed builder said in a stock exchange filing. This is the latest mammoth contract the railway builder bagged this year. Last month, the company announced that its subsidiaries had won contracts worth 28.12 billion yuan for rail construction in the country.

The government has said it would spend 5 trillion yuan until 2020 to add another 41,000 km long railway to its existing rail network to ease its congestion and meet rising freight and passenger demand. Railway and infrastructure builders like China Railway Construction Corp and its archrival China Railway Group, analysts say, will stand to benefit enormously from the country's railway building push and the infrastructure construction boom under its 4-trillion yuan economic stimulus package. "Considering the macroeconomic policy and national and regional economy development, the railway, light rail, hydropower and water facilities construction are relatively steady segments in the construction sector," Aijian Securities said in a research note. "And, railway and urban light rail construction, in particular, are expected to experience explosive growth in the next few years," the note added.

China Railway Construction Corp has bagged 70.5 billion yuan worth of contracts and orders so far this year, according to calculations by TX Investment Consulting Co. The research firm said the company was likely to chalk up 263 billion yuan in revenue this year, up 25 percent, giving a "buy" rating on the company.

China Railway Group, the country's biggest railway builder and China Railway Construction's archrival, has so far booked 93.2 billion yuan worth contracts and orders this year, according to data complied by Guoyuan Securities.
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Old April 11th, 2009, 11:39 AM   #1424
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CRH trains in the new Qingdao Railway station

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Old April 11th, 2009, 06:39 PM   #1425
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Last picture is awsome
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Old April 12th, 2009, 12:22 PM   #1426
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Old April 15th, 2009, 10:36 AM   #1427
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Hey the platform of the Qingdao station looks quite nice.
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Old April 15th, 2009, 08:14 PM   #1428
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Does anyone have pictures of the new CRH trains that are diesel powered?
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Old April 15th, 2009, 08:45 PM   #1429
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And yet most all public transit in Japan are privatized makes profit while providing best quaility service to the riders and community as a whole.
This is misleading; it makes a profit not necessarily because it is privatized, but because there is enough demand for the basic service. Most public owned services are as capable and efficient, like the USPS, and if given the population density of Japan, will perform just as well.
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Old April 16th, 2009, 01:03 AM   #1430
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Does anyone have pictures of the new CRH trains that are diesel powered?
The pictures are on page 63.

The DMUs are not a part of the CRH network, they belongs to Beijing's municipal suburban transit. And they're not "high speed" per say as the trains are not capable of anything over 160 and shouldn't usually operate at speeds over 140.

The design are more of a marketing tool to attract users. A conventional train would do the job just as well.
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Old April 16th, 2009, 09:48 PM   #1431
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Old April 17th, 2009, 02:33 PM   #1432
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Old April 18th, 2009, 04:12 AM   #1433
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Cool I love these type of High Speed Trains

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Old April 18th, 2009, 11:22 AM   #1434
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Old April 18th, 2009, 11:29 AM   #1435
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Yes, because China has the money to buy tons of them and also tons of TGV and Shinkansen. And China is also going to build even more of them, in co-operation with the respective companies.
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Old April 18th, 2009, 11:33 AM   #1436
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This is misleading; it makes a profit not necessarily because it is privatized, but because there is enough demand for the basic service. Most public owned services are as capable and efficient, like the USPS, and if given the population density of Japan, will perform just as well.
Please read the original post I replied.

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Public transit and infrastructure was, is, and will NEVER be profitable regardless of where, when, the system, over how long, or in what nature.

Infrastructure should never ever be privatized, outsourced, or be managed by any type of an organization other than publicly accountable bureaucracies of which employees working for it are on public servant payrolls.

Privatization of infrastructure have failed in almost every place that have attempted it and the only places that still wants to try it are the ones that have politicians on private sector payrolls with no long term interest of the public in mind. Oh wait; did I just describe the entire liberal democratic ideology?
UD2 quotes public transit will NEVER be profitable regardless of nature, I posted a fact that counterdicts the claim.
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Old April 18th, 2009, 01:56 PM   #1437
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ORIGINAL GERMANY DESIGN!
No, this is an unsuccessful DMU called Mountain Changbai. Max speed is below 200km/h, so only 1 or 2 were producted.
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Old April 18th, 2009, 02:16 PM   #1438
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According to the Bombardier webpage then the Zefiro series are abel to go between 250-360 km/h.

http://www.bombardier.com/en/transpo...01260d80020ea2
Any loco which would overcome the CRH was excuted by Liu Zhijun.
for example, Datong factory made DDJ1 which max speed was above 170km/h, so it was excuted by shooting.

Head of Dalian factory was clever, he told that the HXD3B could not run above 120km/h, one third of Bombardier prototype. the message made Liu Zhijun happy, then Dalian received orders. It's so called wisdom of Chinese.
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Old April 18th, 2009, 06:31 PM   #1439
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Old April 19th, 2009, 02:12 AM   #1440
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http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2009-04-19/032317638685.shtml

Tracklaying on the Beijing Shanghai HSR will begin this year. 99% of the line has already seen some construction, and 56065 Chinese Acres (37389 ha) of land has been developed. 66.8 billion Yuan has already been invested.
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