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Old June 14th, 2009, 07:56 PM   #1581
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INTERVIEW-IBM opens China rail centre, eyes $731 bln in spending

BEIJING, June 11 (Reuters) -IBM's first rail innovation centre will help it tap into China's 5 trillion yuan ($731 billion) spending in the sector, the firm said on Thursday at the centre's official opening.

The products and services developed at the centre for China also could be applied to markets around the world, said Keith Dierkx, the director of the Global Rail Innovation Centre, which opened in Beijing on Thursday.

"If you can build them for China, everything else is easier," Dierkx told Reuters in an interview.

IBM is working extensively with China's Ministry of Railways on projects dealing with system optimisation, digital video surveillance and asset management programs, he said, adding that IBM hopes the initial advisory role will develop into other commercial opportunities.

"There are potentially joint-venture types of things that could be done," he said.

China's planned investment over the next two years could make up more than half of the world's total railway equipment market, consisting of mostly rolling stock and wagons, according to consultancy McKinsey & Co.

The rising populations of the world's major cities are straining transportation networks and energy resources, forcing state planners to consider building smart and efficient infrastructure to cope with the challenges, Dierkx said.

IBM commissioned a report two years ago on railroads as investors such as Warren Buffett took big stakes in Northern Santa Fe Corp and Union Pacific Corp , and knew that "something was going to happen" in the industry, Dierkx said.

"Rail obviously has a high level of focus for IBM," he said, without detailing the sector's contribution to IBM's business.

Railroads were not good investments for a long time, but now investors realise railways can ease urban traffic congestion, improve fuel efficiency and reduce carbon emissions, he said.

IBM said in March that Netherlands Railways was using IBM products to match schedules of more than 4,800 trains per day with forecasts of passenger traffic across its system.

For its part, China plans to spend $731 billion until 2020, adding 41,000 km (25,480 miles) to its already massive rail network, as the government tries to boost domestic demand and ease strains on a jammed system.

Beijing has also been spending billions to build out its air and water transport networks, hoping to improve access to China's vast and underdeveloped inland regions.

"In terms of their commitment and in terms of their vision, they intend to be a global leader," said Dierkx, referring to Beijing's ambitious plans to modernise its rail network.

IBM will be looking at a broad range of collaborative efforts with China in the rail sector, starting with the new centre and a focus, at least initially, as an adviser.

McKinsey said the railroad industry is the heart and soul of China's economic development, and the severe winter storms last year that paralysed a large swath of the country's rail system was a wakeup call.

"China needs greater efficiency and reliability in its railway system," said Evan Auyang, an associate partner at McKinsey.

About half of China's railway system is dedicated to hauling coal -- the source of about 75 percent of the country's electricity -- while 90 percent transports bulk cargo.

McKinsey reckons that foreign commercial participation in China's railway system is only about 1.5 percent currently and even domestic private investment is only 5 percent, percentages that could rise sharply as Beijing modernises its rail network.

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Old June 15th, 2009, 06:23 AM   #1582
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The new station looks better than the model. But when they build the pillars of the railways, did they actually do a lot of piling? From the pics some times it looks like they stack concrete blocks on top of one another when they build the pillars.
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Old June 15th, 2009, 11:09 AM   #1583
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stop obsessing with the pilons

first of all, soil would have needed time to consolidate, which is significant in cost and prestige..
second, this is a very densely populated area, so the ground underneath it is probably gonna be put to good use (from park to parkinglot)
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Old June 15th, 2009, 12:36 PM   #1584
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Polish transport minister and the head of PKP (Polish Railways) Group are visiting China. The plan is not only to promote China - Europe rail transport, but also invite Chinese companies to participate in Polish infrastructure tenders and - interestingly - promote the Polish way of restructuring the railway sector, mainly the Cargo company. PKP Cargo lost 35% in freight volumes Q1 08 to Q1 09. The company's IPO is postponed since 2005. It is overstaffed. Let's hope the Chinese don't take this lesson.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 02:37 PM   #1585
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why are the tracks elevated? Even if the soil is soft, the support is still standing on soft grounds. Could they just compact the ground first?
The tracks are embedded in a concrete foundation anyway ... it's way easier and cheaper to just build a proper viaduct than to create a massive earthwork and then put things in a concrete trackbed on top.
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Old June 16th, 2009, 03:47 PM   #1586
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This is why I wondered if Chinese companies are penetrating European rolling stock opportunities: http://www.railwaymarket.eu/7471/Pol...k%2Btender.htm
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Old June 16th, 2009, 10:32 PM   #1587
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I wonder why they didn't utilise double decker train models like the TGV Duplex as the basis for their high speed network. Having travelled on China Railways, what they need is capacity. The larger volume of passengers they can fit onto the train, the cheaper the tickets ought to be per passenger.... theoretically.
That's because the Duplex use some expensive advanced technologies in those double deck cars.

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I think the Chinese want to steer away from push pull models for their HSR, if Deckers were chosen, they'd surely choose the E series from the Japanese.
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Double decker trains are larger, taller and heavier than their single level counterparts and thus, require a higher level of technical knowhow to operate effectively.

As the knowhow for the technology mature, I'm certain double decker EMUs will considered with definition.

But even if it is considered, the design that will most likely be tabled would be the Japanese style double decker EMUs, rather than the French style push/pull technology.
That depends ... in wich century do you live???

push-pull is so 80's ... and didn't you meant top'n'tailing ???

People are still biased-to-the-core when diferentiating between french and japanese high speed trains ????

the duplex from SNCF is a very lightweight aluminium honeycomb trainset ... just forget about the actual traction package in those trains (it can be equiped with traction equipment from any manufacturer ... even kawasaki/mitsubishi traction)


Theres nothing stoping the Duplex cars to use distributed power ... it has already been done in the V150.

Back to the discussion ... people always take a little piece and make it sound as if it's the entire package:

What "E series" would be eligible ???

E1 are 300m long 240km/h double deckers
E2 are 200/250m long 275km/h single deckers
E3 are 150m long 275km/h "mini" single deckers
E4 are 200m long 240km/h double deckers
E5 will be 300m long 320km/h single deckers
Duplex are 200m long 320km/h double deckers ...

A double decker train based on the fasteck concept is still to be seen.
A duplex version of the AVG would only need to use currently avaible technologies ... and that means 360km/h and fully distributed traction since the only thing that would need to be changed from the V150 record train would be the end-cars.

Another thing worth mentioning is that the 1995 Duplex are "evolutionary" Reseau/Atlantique motor-heads coupled with "revolutionary" passenger cars. (the head locomotives are in fact a remnant of the 80's technologic limitations) ... a new "duplex" developed in 2009 would be entirely based on AGV asincronous technology.
Notice: a 400m long "AGV duplex" in 2+2 seating would have a capacity of 1200/1300 pax ... a similar CRH based on the japanese loading gauge would have 2+3 seating or even 3+3 wich means that it could have 25/50% increased capacity.
Notice2: as I said up there ... theres nothing stoping anyone from making a similar train ... be it alstom , bombardier , siemens , kawasaki , hyunday , mitsubishi , EMD or anyone else in the railway business.
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Old June 18th, 2009, 04:00 PM   #1588
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China sees 120% rise in rail investment in first five months

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China saw a surge of investment in railway construction as the country pledged to increase spending as an effort to buoy the world's third largest economy. In the first five months, China pumped 168.9 billion yuan ($24.7 billion) in fixed-asset investment in railways, up 120 percent from a year earlier, the Ministry of Railways said in a statement Wednesday. The money included 149 billion yuan for railway infrastructure construction, up 161.8 percent from a year ago, 3.328 billion yuan for railway upgrading, and 16.55 billion yuan for purchasing trains, according to the ministry. The country built a total of 1,942.5km of new rail lines in the first five months.

China unveiled a four-trillion-yuan stimulus package in November to boost the slowing economy amid the global economic downturn. Public infrastructure development took up 1.5 trillion yuan, the biggest share, of the total package. The projects cover railways, roads, irrigation and airport construction
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Old June 19th, 2009, 12:36 PM   #1589
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Old June 21st, 2009, 07:57 PM   #1590
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China’s first north-to-south coal railway to start construction

Tuesday, June 16, 2009
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China’s first north-south coal transmission project is expected to start by the end of this year.

The project, called Yingshi railway, will transport the coal that produced in Shanxi, Gansu and Xinjiang to Hubei province, resolving the coal resource deficiency, said an officer with Hubei Development and Reform Commission. The total investment of this project is predicted to hit 100 billion yuan.

Started from Yingcheng of coal-rich Shanxi province and ended at Shimen of Hunan province, the railway measures 800 kilometres.
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Old June 24th, 2009, 06:18 AM   #1591
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High-speed trains to take the strain

By Xin Dingding (China Daily)
Updated: 2009-06-24

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Workers put their backs into laying rail track in Changsha,Hunan province.[China Daily]

Thirty-five high-speed rail lines, measuring 11,000 km, are being rolled out throughout China, a railway ministry official said yesterday. With China's railways among the main beneficiaries of the government's 4-trillion-yuan ($586 billion) stimulus package, around 13,000 km of high-speed railways capable of handling trains traveling at more than 200 kph could be completed and put into service by 2012, said Zheng Jian, chief planner with the Ministry of Railways. The construction of an additional 5,000-km of high-speed railways will be begun soon, he said.

At least five railway routes will be able to accommodate trains traveling at speeds of 350 kph, Zheng said. The five lines include three north-south routes: Beijing-Shanghai; Beijing-Guangzhou (Hong Kong); and Beijing-Harbin (Dalian). The two east-west high-speed lines are Xuzhou-Lanzhou and Shanghai-Kunming. The five lines along with three other lines with a designed speed of between 200 and 350 kph, will become the trunk lines of China's future high-speed passenger rail network.

A ministry spokesman declined to say how many kilometers China's high-speed rail network may end up covering. So far, China has built 185 km of rail track capable of handling the 350-kph trains, including the country's first such rail link, between Beijing and Tianjin, which opened last August. The Beijing-Shanghai rail line may end up being the fastest - the ministry said in a news release that the trip will take four hours, which means trains will likely exceed 350 kph.

The ministry said in January that 600 billion yuan will be invested in railway infrastructure this year. The high-speed passenger train network will end up extending to all cities with a population of more than 200,000. Experts believe high-speed railways will become a major transportation option in tomorrow's China.

Yang Hao, a professor at Beijing Jiaotong University, said China has a population that is six times that of the United States but it only has one-50th of the US' airports. "The future transport pattern should be a comprehensive one that incorporates multiple transport means," he said.
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Old June 25th, 2009, 05:17 PM   #1592
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Does anybody know if the lines planned to run at 200-250km/h will be easily upgradable to 300-400km/h?
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Old June 25th, 2009, 06:39 PM   #1593
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China mulls listing Beijing-Shanghai rail line: state media
25 June 2009
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China is considering a stock market listing for its valuable Beijing-Shanghai railway line to raise funds for the nation's massive rail construction plans, state media said Thursday.

The Ministry of Railways is mulling restructuring the line linking the country's two richest cities into a holding company before floating it, the China Daily reported.

The report said the line was China's most valuable, with assets of 44 billion dollars.

The ministry may also merge the assets of the separate Beijing-Shanghai high-speed rail line, which is valued at 220 billion yuan (32.2 billion dollars), into the holding company after it goes public, the report said.

The main Beijing-Shanghai rail line is an existing link, while the separate high-speed line is due to become operational next year.

No timetable was given for the plan, which was said to be in its very early stages.

It could prove to be China's largest railway financing programme ever and help raise capital for rail construction in the nation's impoverished western areas, Chinese press reports said.

The Beijing-Shanghai railway is the busiest line in China, accounting for around 10 percent of the country's total rail passenger traffic, the China Daily said.

The high-speed line between the two cities is expected to double the capacity the current regular line carries to 80 million passengers a year and cut travel time to about five hours from 12 hours, it said.

Analysts said the listing plan could help alleviate the capital shortage faced by China in its ambitious rail network expansion.

The government has said it planned to add 41,000 kilometres (25,400 miles) of rail lines to its existing network at a cost of 731 billion dollars by 2020, bringing the total length of the system to 120,000 kilometres.

The plan has been fuelled by rising demand for rail travel and touted by the government as part of its plans to stimulate economic growth, which has slowed due to the global downturn.
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Old June 26th, 2009, 05:46 AM   #1594
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China Vows to Improve Railway Network Further

SHENZHEN, June 25, SinoCast -- China's long-term strategy gives an indication that by 2012 it will take less than eight hours for a passenger to get to a provincial capital from another by train save for Hainan, Lhasa, and Urumqi, according to an official at the Ministry of Railways.

Under the country's long-term railway network construction plan, the ministry discloses, China's total railway operation mileage will top 120,000 kilometers by 2020. And by 2012, the country will have 13,000 kilometers of passenger dedicated lines and intracity express railways.

In line with the long-term plan, China will also build up a cascade of modern railway stations. It has set a goal of building, rebuilding, and expanding 1,066 railway stations before 2020, 804 of which are scheduled to come into operation by 2012.

The ministry has vowed to enlarge the nation's railway network to above 110,000 kilometers by 2012, brining the country's railway transportation capacity to a new high.
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Old June 26th, 2009, 06:47 AM   #1595
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SHENZHEN, June 25, SinoCast -- China's long-term strategy gives an indication that by 2012 it will take less than eight hours for a passenger to get to a provincial capital from another by train save for Hainan, Lhasa, and Urumqi, according to an official at the Ministry of Railways.
That seems rather unbelievable, thats saying you can get from Harbin to Kunming or Nanning in 8 hours, which is more that twice the distance from Beijing and Shanghai, and Beijing to Shanghai takes 5 hours going at 350kph.
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That seems rather unbelievable, thats saying you can get from Harbin to Kunming or Nanning in 8 hours, which is more that twice the distance from Beijing and Shanghai, and Beijing to Shanghai takes 5 hours going at 350kph.
No, it is not ;-)

It is saying that you can get from Harbin to Changchun in 8 hours. And Kunming to Nanning or Guizhou or Chengdu.
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Oh I see, it means that you can get to the provincial capital of any neighbouring province, thanks for clarifying.
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No, it is not ;-)

It is saying that you can get from Harbin to Changchun in 8 hours. And Kunming to Nanning or Guizhou or Chengdu.
No,it means you can get from central china (changsha,zhenzhou,wuhan) to any provincial capital in 8 hours

PS: the railway minister is from wuhan
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test run had begun on wuhan-guangzhou high-speed rail today. it took 2 hours for a test train run from xianning to changsha in the early morning. 22 test run is planned today. rumor says the speed will reach 350 km/h in the afternoon.

http://bbs.hasea.com/thread-359146-1-1.html (in Chinese)
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schedule of test trains this morning (2009-06-27):

Train number / Origin / Destination / Max speed
D55002, New Xianning @ 05:00 -> North Origin Point @ 05:50, 80 km/h
D55003, North Origin Point @ 06:00 -> New Xianning (Track II) @ 06:20, 300 km/h
D55004, New Xianning @ 06:30 -> North Origin Point @ 06:50, 310 km/h
D55005, North Origin Point @ 07:00 -> New Xianning (Track II) @ 07:20, 320 km/h
D55006, New Xianning @ 07:30 -> North Origin Point @ 07:50, 330 km/h
D55007, North Origin Point @ 08:00 -> New Xianning (Track II) @ 08:20, 340 km/h
D55006, New Xianning @ 08:30 -> North Origin Point @ 08:50, 350 km/h
D55007, North Origin Point @ 09:00 -> New Xianning (Track II) @ 09:20, 350 km/h

stand by, reinspection, lunch at 11:10, wait for people from the ministry to get on the train
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