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Old October 9th, 2009, 09:48 AM   #1781
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Besides, China is an authoritarian dictatorship, and if the Maglev is stopped by NIMBYism in China, this is proof that Maglev will not be accepted anywhere in the world.
Probably you don't know, but in Italy something more important than simple "nimbyism" (read hundreds of thousands of protesters worried for a tunnel that could contaminate dozens of villages with asbestos and uranium, search for "val di Susa" if you're interested) is not stopping the "democratic" Italian government from implementing its plans. To me it's obvious from other considerations that China is not more authoritarian than, say, Japan or the USA. For instance, in China the corporations', or the banks' power, is moderated by the state, whereas in the "west" these entities are above the law, nay, they MAKE the laws. Had it been Italy, or some other fake democratic country, the state would have ruled for building the Maglev, having some official been corrupted by some private firm involved in the construction. Since it's China, they took the soundest decision, the one that's best from an economic and practical point of view. The reason why they don't adopt Maglev in other countries is not nimbyism or consideration of public interest, it's that the "west" is BROKE.
BTW, I rode the Maglev some two months ago, top speed was 300 kph, but I remembered having read somewhere top speed was planned to be some 400 kph, so I was disappointed a bit. If for any technical reason top speed cannot exceed 300 on a regular basis, then apparently there's no advantage whatsoever for the Maglev against a regular HST.
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Old October 9th, 2009, 10:06 AM   #1782
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BTW, I rode the Maglev some two months ago, top speed was 300 kph, but I remembered having read somewhere top speed was planned to be some 400 kph, so I was disappointed a bit. If for any technical reason top speed can not exceed 300 on a regular basis, then apparently there's no advantage whatsoever for the Maglev against a regular HST.
Are you referring to the Shanghai Maglev? It's top speed is 431km/h, however during some hours of the day it is lower, maybe you rode it at those hours?
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Old October 9th, 2009, 10:11 AM   #1783
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Are you referring to the Shanghai Maglev? It's top speed is 431km/h, however during some hours of the day it is lower, maybe you rode it at those hours?
Of course I'm about Shanghai Maglev, is there another Maglev around? Lemme see, I took it at 8.10 am. It was the end of July. It was more crowded than I had anticipated.
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Old October 9th, 2009, 10:23 AM   #1784
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You can see here (under Operations) that the max speed between 6.45-8.45 is 301 km/h.
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Old October 9th, 2009, 10:26 AM   #1785
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You can see here (under Operations) that the max speed between 6.45-8.45 is 301 km/h.
Yep. looks like it's capped at 301 kph most of the day. Pretty strange. The interval is the same, 15 minutes, so what could be the reason? In any case, 431 kph is not much more than the Beijing-Tianjin HST.
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Old October 9th, 2009, 11:00 AM   #1786
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Also, according to the Wiki article, the time lost when capping the speed is merely 50 seconds, so I guess it's not much of a difference anyway.
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Old October 11th, 2009, 11:12 AM   #1787
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October 5, CRH3 on the new Wuhan-Guangzhou line near Zhuzhou station

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTIzMzkyNjAw.html
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Old October 11th, 2009, 12:03 PM   #1788
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wow, thx for the video

its really shaping up, innit?
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Old October 14th, 2009, 05:45 PM   #1789
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10.3 CRH3 trial run on Wuhan-Guangzhou express rail

max speed: 383kmph
3 hours 5 minutes to run through 1068.6km express rail.



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Wuhan-Guangzhou express rail to open by year end

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longest high speed rail: 1068.6km
speed: 350kmph
time; 3 hours (from current 10 hours)
passing 20 cities, 100 million population



(http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2009-10-09/040618791776.shtml)
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Old October 14th, 2009, 06:27 PM   #1790
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bravo


i remember reading about this project a while back, and now its almost operational
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Old October 17th, 2009, 12:56 PM   #1791
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Are ticket prices between CRH and regular rails vary greatly or not that much?
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Old October 18th, 2009, 12:41 AM   #1792
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Are ticket prices between CRH and regular rails vary greatly or not that much?
It vary greatly.

Regular trains:

The price for 普客 (regular passenger) train is ¥0.05861/km
The price for 普快 (regular fast) train is ¥0.070332/km (+20%)
The price for 快速 (fast, K-series) or 特快 (express, T-/Z-series) train is ¥0.082054/km (+40%)
The price for trains with air-conditioning +25%
The price for new-type air-conditioning * 150%

Most K-series and all T-/Z-series trains have new-type air-conditioning, so the price of a hard seat is: ¥0.05861*(1+40%+25%)*150%=¥0.14505975/km

Discount applied for long travel:
* Rail distance<=200km: no discount
* Rail distance>200km&&<=500km: 90%
* Rail distance>500km&&<=1000km: 80%
* Rail distance>1000km&&<=1500km: 70%
* Rail distance>1500km&&<=3000km: 60%
* Rail distance>3000km: 50%

Besides, for hard seat, there's also 2% insurance, "railway station air-conditioning fee" and "railway ticketing development fee" and etc.

There's an Excel sheet which can do the calculation based on rail distance:
http://ticketcalc.spaces.live.com/

CRH trains:

The price for CRH trains is simple. For 200 km/h CRH trains, the second class seat is ¥0.30855/km.

No regular long-distance discount as described above applied for CRH trains. However, some CRH trains run on slow yet to be upgraded lines do have special discount, to ensure the price not higher than K-/T-/Z-series hard sleepers.

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Old October 19th, 2009, 11:26 AM   #1793
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Are ticket prices between CRH and regular rails vary greatly or not that much?
the price gap is relatively big. It's called price discrimination in economics, so the HSR is not filled with all the crowd.

I read news that HSR starts to sell standing tickets (no-seat) and some people feel uncomfortable with it.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 11:27 AM   #1794
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10.18 Fuzhou-Xiamen HSR completes, opening on 11.30.2009

location: Fujian Province
length: 274.9km
speed: 200kmph, max250kmph
travel time: shortened to 1.5 hours
fare: 84-105 yuan ($12-$15)
stations: 14
train scheduling: two (non-stop and stop-all-station)



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Old October 19th, 2009, 07:56 PM   #1795
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10.18 Fuzhou-Xiamen HSR completes, opening on 11.30.2009

location: Fujian Province
length: 274.9km
speed: 200kmph, max250kmph
travel time: shortened to 1.5 hours
fare: 84-105 yuan ($12-$15)
stations: 14
train scheduling: two (non-stop and stop-all-station)
Shall any trains go all the way to Shanghai or beyond?
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Old October 19th, 2009, 11:30 PM   #1796
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I'm slightly surprised the Southeast-Coast Mainline isn't designated 300 km/h, for it links up so many major coastal cities. Ideally this line should be 6-track with service patterns as follows:

Suburban commuter service, all stopping, routes operating only between the major cities;
Slow intercity, stopping at cities only (but all cities), routes operating the full length Guangzhou - Shanghai (or similar);
Fast intercity, stopping at a few major cities, routes operating the full length.

Fantasy over.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 11:36 PM   #1797
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I think it has to do with the mountainous terrains of both Fujian and Zhejiang province. 300km/h+ would have been prohibitively expensive.
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Old October 19th, 2009, 11:45 PM   #1798
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Shall any trains go all the way to Shanghai or beyond?
The Beijing-Fuzhou sleeper CRH D311/2 will be launched on November 11. CRH2E will serve this route. The rail distance from Beijing to Fuzhou is 2369 km, and a single trip will take about 16 hours. The fastest train currently takes 19h43m from Beijing West to Fuzhou through different route which is 2067 km long. Rumored timetable:

Beijing departure at 19:20 - Fuzhou arrival at 11:20 the second day
Fuzhou departure at 15:57 - Beijing arrival at 07:53 the second day

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Old October 19th, 2009, 11:46 PM   #1799
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I'm slightly surprised the Southeast-Coast Mainline isn't designated 300 km/h, for it links up so many major coastal cities. Ideally this line should be 6-track with service patterns as follows:

ideally? hardly...

heavy freight, high speed and suburban would require different alignments, different stops etc.

it would be criminal to build 1000+ kms from Shanghai to Hong Kong on the exact same alignment right next to each other...


the mountains and the tunnels slow down the high speed trains, thats a fact, and its the same in switzerland and japan, for hundreds and hundreds of kms
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An update, from china forum by pearl river;

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