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Old October 20th, 2009, 01:13 AM   #1801
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http://bbs.hasea.com/thread-362882-1-1.html

The thicker the higher speed

Blue: Opened
Brown: Completed, not opened
Red: In construction
Orange: Planned
Cyan: In study
Thin Black: Existing conventional lines
Dot line: Being electrified


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Old October 20th, 2009, 12:46 PM   #1802
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The Beijing-Fuzhou sleeper CRH will be launched in November. CRH1E will serve this route. The rail distance from Beijing to Fuzhou is 2369 km, and a single trip will take about 16 hours. The fastest train currently takes 19h43m from Beijing West to Fuzhou through different route which is 2067 km long. Rumored timetable:

Beijing departure at 19:20 - Fuzhou arrival at 11:20 the second day
Fuzhou departure at 15:57 - Beijing arrival at 07:53 the second day


That´s really interesting!

As can be seen, 16 hour overnight trains can realistically compete against air: in order to arrive in Fuzhou (central city) 11:20 by air, one would have to get up early for a morning flight, whereas sleeper train would allow comfortable breakfast.

2300 km or so is also the rail distance Beijing-Guangzhou.

When in December, Wuhan-Guangzhou high-speed rail shall open, are any CRH sleeper trains ready to travel Beijing-Guangzhou?
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Old October 22nd, 2009, 12:24 AM   #1803
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Test run on the Wuhan-Guangzhou High-speed Rail, train driver's view:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq1LgfGd5cw

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Old October 22nd, 2009, 02:11 AM   #1804
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Nice video. Thanks for posting.


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Test run on the Wuhan-Guangzhou High-speed Rail, train driver's view:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQrPBZYqQUE
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 08:41 AM   #1805
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The road to Beijing

By Pei Xin | 2009-10-23 | NEWSPAPER EDITION





A crane yesterday hoists a steel structure that will be installed as part of the elevated road for the Shanghai-Beijing high-speed railway's Hongqiao station. Construction is progressing smoothly on the Hongqiao Integrated Transport Hub, which will be mostly open before 2010 World Expo.

Read more: http://www.shanghaidaily.com/sp/arti...#ixzz0UjcC1xmv
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 09:04 AM   #1806
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10.23 new Wuhan railway station constructions

Built for Wuhan-Guangzhou express rail
Cost: 14 billion yuan
With 20 rail lines, 11 platforms
Used 60k tons of steel
Completion: 12.20.2009











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Old October 23rd, 2009, 10:15 AM   #1807
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- 380 kph would require +103 % energy (cost) compared to running at 300 kph, +67 % compared to 320 kph and +31 % (almost a third) compared to running at 350 kph. as a result the ticked would be twice, two thirds or one third more expensive
I don't want to neglect the massive increase in energy consumption, but just one point:

Enerergy costs are only one part of total operating costs, so one cannot say that ticket prices would have to grow in the same proportion as enegry costs do.
And for example capital costs per km and staff costs per km are even lower if the speed is higher...


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Old October 23rd, 2009, 11:54 AM   #1808
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I don't want to neglect the massive increase in energy consumption, but just one point:

Enerergy costs are only one part of total operating costs, so one cannot say that ticket prices would have to grow in the same proportion as enegry costs do.
And for example capital costs per km and staff costs per km are even lower if the speed is higher...


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you are of course right about the total cost

however i'm not sure if they calculate tickets based on the whole lifespan/cost of the project or only based on the running costs (rolling stock, energy, salaries etc.)

for example in europe most of the times the construction is a 1 time deal and it comes from state/eu funds and they dont count that toward the return
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 05:58 PM   #1809
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I don't want to neglect the massive increase in energy consumption, but just one point:

Enerergy costs are only one part of total operating costs, so one cannot say that ticket prices would have to grow in the same proportion as enegry costs do.
And for example capital costs per km and staff costs per km are even lower if the speed is higher...


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In addition, running trains faster may enable the train to make another run. Instead of 4 runs daily, it could run 5 for example. Then again, it probably increases wear and maintenance costs as well.

Also, a train doesn't travel at 380kph for the entire duration, but only during short periods of time. Sometimes, rather than spend money on increasing the top speed, it's better to increase the acceleration. A train that is faster to accelerate with a lower top speed may be able to maintain a faster average overall. This, in my opinion, is what makes Mag-lev such an attractive technology.
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Old October 23rd, 2009, 06:18 PM   #1810
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however i'm not sure if they calculate tickets based on the whole lifespan/cost of the project or only based on the running costs (rolling stock, energy, salaries etc.)
Only running costs are relevant. Investment into building the railway is a sunk cost!
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Old October 24th, 2009, 12:25 PM   #1811
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5 workers killed 1 injured on the Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway construction site near Xuzhou. This is another accident after August 19 when a crane crashed into another during a heavy rainstorm.

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据新华网消息,京沪高铁徐州段施工现场20日发生一起脚手架坍塌事故,致5人死亡。这是继“8·19”嘉定龙门吊倾覆事故后,又一起京沪高铁施工事故。

消息称,20日5时10分,京沪高铁徐州贾旺区境内引龙河特大桥施工现场发生脚手架坍塌事故,造成5人死亡、1人轻伤。事故发生后,施工单位立即组织现场救援,并做好伤亡人员的善后工作。

目前,现场已清理完毕,事故原因正在调查中。

据新闻资料显示,今年8月,京沪高铁建设曾发生了嘉定龙门吊倾覆事故。8月19日16时40分,在位于上海市嘉定区封杨路555号的中交第三航务工程局上海嘉定制梁场内,一台10吨门式起重机发生倾覆,其一侧支腿砸在地面上待安装的80吨门式起重机驾驶室,造成在驾驶室内躲雨的4人死亡,另有3人受伤。
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Old October 24th, 2009, 12:29 PM   #1812
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That's terrible... my thoughts are with the victims' families and friends.
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Old October 26th, 2009, 04:44 AM   #1813
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WOW! This is nice!
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Old October 26th, 2009, 07:02 AM   #1814
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It is Cathedral of railroads.
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Old October 26th, 2009, 04:25 PM   #1815
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Just a tidbit in today's business news, but it seems the CRH2 design will see extensive use on the new Beijing-Shanghai HS line. A Qingdao railcar builder received an approx $6.5 billion order from the government for the Kawasaki Heavy Industries license design. Not in this article, but Japanese newspaper articles state 140 trainsets are on order.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aH9PGNKjGM7g
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Old October 26th, 2009, 04:37 PM   #1816
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hmm, so the chinese decided to go with the "cheap honda" afterall
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Old October 26th, 2009, 05:05 PM   #1817
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hmm, so the chinese decided to go with the "cheap honda" afterall
Yes, the Chinese Govt. knows a good product when they see one. And Hondas are a good car too (and more reliable than a VW or Renault)
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Old October 27th, 2009, 02:07 AM   #1818
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Can CRH-2 sustain a speed of 350km/h? Kawasaki set a limit of 250km/h on the technology it transferred to Chinese.
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Old October 27th, 2009, 03:34 AM   #1819
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They have been used for running 350km/h for a while now.
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Old October 27th, 2009, 03:47 AM   #1820
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The CRH2(C) has a few more axles powered than the complete knock down version as offered by Kawasaki, hence, can sustain 350km/h running.
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