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Old October 29th, 2011, 11:17 PM   #321
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Question: Is there somewhere on the internet a list of all placenames in South Africa that have been officially renamed since 1994 ?

Vraag: Is daar iewers op die internet 'n lys van al die plekname in Suid-Afrika wat sedert 1994 amptelik hernoem is?
I personally think it's a pity that Pretoria is renamed Tshwane. Pretoria sounds better and is easier to spell and pronounce.
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Old October 29th, 2011, 11:26 PM   #322
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for what I know, Pretoria is still Pretoria cause it's an area of the city, while Tshwane is the metropolitan municipality
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Old October 30th, 2011, 08:05 AM   #323
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Not to my knowledge, but there aren't that many anyway (outside of Limpopo and Mpumalanga provinces). Most of the renamings were done to correct spellings anyway (Umtata became Mthatha, and so forth).

I'll search around, see if I can't find one.
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Old October 30th, 2011, 10:27 PM   #324
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I personally think it's a pity that Pretoria is renamed Tshwane. Pretoria sounds better and is easier to spell and pronounce.
Yeah Pretoria hasn't been renamed, only the council has
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Old October 31st, 2011, 12:34 AM   #325
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Not to my knowledge, but there aren't that many anyway (outside of Limpopo and Mpumalanga provinces). Most of the renamings were done to correct spellings anyway (Umtata became Mthatha, and so forth).

I'll search around, see if I can't find one.
What correct the spelling? The original Xhosa or any other black SA language was always only a spoken language and not written. The majority of place names was a representation of the phonetics of the pronounciation.

Some of the changes that is currently happening can also be because the black languages changed. Take the following examples:

Mafeking became Mafikeng and now Mahikeng but everyone still speak about Mafeking.
Magalies became Mogales

Many councils in the country chose names for themselves or their areas and this names is not place names, but only government names. Examples:
Tswane Metropolitan council contains Pretoria, Centurion, Bapsfontein, Acacia etc.
Mogale City contains Krugersdorp, Muldersdrift, Lanseria and Magaliesburg
Ekhuruleni contains Kempton Park, Boksburg Benoni etc.
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Old November 1st, 2011, 01:43 AM   #326
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Those languages were written long before any place name change.

Afrikaans was originality only spoken too, just like all other languges
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Old November 1st, 2011, 02:58 AM   #327
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Dreadful those name changes in South Africa (sports, regions, states, cities, roads, everything). It's clearly a matter of ethnic cleansing. I know this make no difference, but I refuse to use the new names. Centurion, for example: what a hell does it mean? Verwoerdburg was much better.
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Old November 1st, 2011, 08:23 PM   #328
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Verwoerdburg was named after a bastard who designed Apartheid. Centurion is named after a sports ground who in turn is named after the Roman soldiers I guess.

I know which one I think is better

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Centurion was once called Littleton and then became Arseholeburg
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Old November 1st, 2011, 11:17 PM   #329
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The name changes started off by removing the names of prominent apartheid-era figures such as Verwoerdburg, which was relatively uncontroversial. Later it became much more controversial because a lot of places that didn't have political names (such as Naboomspruit, which was named after a type of tree [naboom] that grows next to a stream [spruit]) and places with historic names started being renamed.

Also, many places in South Africa have long had different names in different languages, such as Cape Town (English), Kaapstad (Afrikaans), iKapa (Xhosa) but instead of introducing African names, they instead got rid of the "white" (especially Afrikaans) names.

I think a lot of white South Africans feel this is a sign of the government's hostility to them and that it doesn't really believe they belong there. Also I think people associate mass name-changing with extreme-left wing, populist or other irresponsible radical regimes and find it unsettling.
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Old November 1st, 2011, 11:40 PM   #330
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Anyway, its not like most place names were changed
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Old November 13th, 2011, 01:36 AM   #331
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I have noticed that in a lot of the Johannesburg CBD the google streetview car had a jeep behind it
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Old November 13th, 2011, 01:46 AM   #332
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I have noticed that in a lot of the Johannesburg CBD the google streetview car had a jeep behind it
Maybe it was security? The centre of Johannesburg has been improved in recent years, but there are still plenty of parts that you would not really want to go.
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Old November 13th, 2011, 01:52 AM   #333
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Better a Jeep than this thing:

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Old November 13th, 2011, 01:26 PM   #334
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I don't need a discussion on apartheid, I just asked for a list I couldn't find. Perhaps it doesn't exist anyway...

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Afrikaans was originality only spoken too, just like all other languges
This is absolutely not true. Afrikaans has derived from my native language, Dutch, and it had been a written language for centuries. Until 1925 Afrikaans was seen as a Dutch dialect, and for that reason you can't say that the language of the Boers was a "spoken language only".
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Old November 13th, 2011, 05:29 PM   #335
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I don't need a discussion on apartheid, I just asked for a list I couldn't find. Perhaps it doesn't exist anyway...

This is absolutely not true. Afrikaans has derived from my native language, Dutch, and it had been a written language for centuries. Until 1925 Afrikaans was seen as a Dutch dialect, and for that reason you can't say that the language of the Boers was a "spoken language only".
Well yes and no... If you look at official documents, monuments etc from that period, they are written in standard Dutch, which is pretty much identical to the standard Dutch of today. People did not generally write in Afrikaans, or its ancestor dialects in those days. The first definitely Afrikaans publications, such as newspapers began appearing in the late 19th Century and the bible was not fully translated into Afrikaans till the 1930s. Before then they would have used a standard Dutch bible, which became increasingly difficult as the two languages drifted apart.

So there is not actually much text from the early development of Afrikaans and that makes its study difficult. Some is written in Arabic script as it was written down by Muslims in the Cape.
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Old November 13th, 2011, 06:14 PM   #336
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I don't need a discussion on apartheid, I just asked for a list I couldn't find. Perhaps it doesn't exist anyway...

This is absolutely not true. Afrikaans has derived from my native language, Dutch, and it had been a written language for centuries. Until 1925 Afrikaans was seen as a Dutch dialect, and for that reason you can't say that the language of the Boers was a "spoken language only".
As you said they wrote in Dutch, not in Afrikaans. And msot languages were lie that. English was spoken before it was written, for many years most things were written in French or Latin. Portuguese was spoken before it was written, Italian the same, French the same, its a normal process

Anyway, here you go, its a list of changed place names:

http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleknaa...in_Suid-Afrika
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Old November 13th, 2011, 10:12 PM   #337
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Anyway, here you go, its a list of changed place names:

http://af.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleknaa...in_Suid-Afrika
Thanx, this type of information is wat I was looking for.
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Old November 28th, 2011, 12:48 PM   #338
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Some South African road pictures (my own) uploaded to Wikipedia.

N1 as it approaches Cape Town...


Umhlanga (north of Durban), with N2 freeway in foreground...


N1 at Hex River Pass between De Doorns and Touws River...


Durban and the N3 freeway from the plane; EB Cloete (N2/N3) Interchange in foreground...


Aerial of Stellenberg Interchange (N1) and R300 (Kuils River Parkway) near Cape Town...


Aerial of Somerset West looking towards the Hottentots-Holland Mountains with N2 straight through it...
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Old November 28th, 2011, 06:46 PM   #339
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Great photos Annman!

In the last one you can see the land reserved for the N2 to bypass Somerset West and Strand, with space for at least one diamond interchange. At the moment the freeway ends just below the bottom of the photo and the N2 diverts back onto the old road through Somerset West where several sets of traffic lights cause major congestion.

This has been on the cards for at least 30 years (probably quite a bit longer, but I'm not sure exactly, certainly longer than I can remember) and from the little incomplete stub of road branching off the westbound carriageway it looks as though it was abandoned in a hurry.
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Old December 7th, 2011, 09:36 AM   #340
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fantastic

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"T" stands for toll. "A" stands for alternative to avoid the toll
great photos. fantastic roads these. miss driving them dearly!dubai highways are just blahhh
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