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Old December 18th, 2007, 03:13 PM   #201
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Why didn't they just build the entire motorway on one side of the farmhouse? Were the roadbuilders just getting back at him for not selling his land? Seems a bit mean to me, although another part of me says "serves him right for not selling"...

BTW, in the second photo there are what appear to be arrowheads (arrows without the stems) painted on the lanes on the left hand carraigeway, at the bottom of the picture. What do they mean?

I guess it snows there too in winter, eh?
Those arrowheads (chevrons) are for guaging the distance between you and the person in front of you to allow for acceptable stopping distance. You're meant to know that in wet conditions there should be a certain number of chevrons between you at 70mph, in dry a certain number etc etc...
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Old December 19th, 2007, 12:54 AM   #202
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Those arrowheads (chevrons) are for guaging the distance between you and the person in front of you to allow for acceptable stopping distance. You're meant to know that in wet conditions there should be a certain number of chevrons between you at 70mph, in dry a certain number etc etc...

When I lived there, I happen to remember a long stretch of the M1 (near Northampton, funnily enough) with plenty of chevrons and signs telling you to keep at least 2 chevrons apart.

We badly need chevrons here in South Florida, and I'm not talking about more Chevron gas stations.
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Old December 19th, 2007, 10:06 AM   #203
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Why didn't they just build the entire motorway on one side of the farmhouse? Were the roadbuilders just getting back at him for not selling his land? Seems a bit mean to me, although another part of me says "serves him right for not selling"...
everyone seems to be getting the wrong end of the stick here: the government had no interest in buying the farmhouse - the carraigeways split because of the underlying surface. The Pennines have very unstable ground in places - one major cross-Pennine road kept falling down so they just abandoned it, another is on it's way to being abandoned - the M62 was, due to unstable ground in the area, always (well, once they found out about the ground in the early stages of planning the route in detail) meant to go either side of the farmhouse.

Supposedly, now construction (which was a horrible thing to live through in that house) has finished (and has been for years) it's not that bad to live in.
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Old December 21st, 2007, 01:20 PM   #204
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"Dual carriageway" is such an old-fashioned term. It is cars & not carriages that travel on them. Why don't you start calling them "two-lane highways"? Just because it is a Yank coinage?
We call cars 'horseless carriages' in the UK so the term is appropriate.

What's the point in changing terminology just to be the same as the US?
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Old December 21st, 2007, 02:58 PM   #205
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I think it should stay as it is.
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Old December 21st, 2007, 05:32 PM   #206
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I thought "dual carriageway" meant there is a center divider/reservation between both directions, regardless of the number of lanes...
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Old December 21st, 2007, 05:38 PM   #207
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"Dual carriageway" is such an old-fashioned term. It is cars & not carriages that travel on them.


They're called carriageways because they're built for the carriage of goods and passengers. When the term was first coined I doubt people had horses and carriages in mind!

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Old December 21st, 2007, 08:56 PM   #208
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I like this term, rather than ''highway''
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Old December 22nd, 2007, 03:30 AM   #209
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surely car is just short for carriage anyway!?

Highway is an english term too and is equally as 'old-fashioned'
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Old December 30th, 2007, 09:49 PM   #210
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There is an underecurrent of slightly anti-UK in this thread, but lots of nice contributers too.

Facts are, this country won't (unfortunately) build new motorways soon if ever. We might widen a few, that is all.. and no, they won't be "shiney" and "smooth". Sorry. Our other A roads (trunk routes) are quite good on average.

ps xx to all Highways/Motorways.Autobahnen/Autosnelwagen/Autoroutes/Autostradale fans!
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Old December 31st, 2007, 12:26 AM   #211
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I thought "dual carriageway" meant there is a center divider/reservation between both directions, regardless of the number of lanes...
It does...
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Old December 31st, 2007, 12:55 AM   #212
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Old January 4th, 2008, 10:41 PM   #213
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uk gettting alot of work on M25 IS GOING TO 4 LANE AND M1 AROUND SHEFFIELD IS GOING 3 LANE TO BIRMINGHAM.
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Old January 4th, 2008, 10:44 PM   #214
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Old January 5th, 2008, 03:54 AM   #215
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Tthird lane on M1 from Sheffield to Birmingham ?? It has 3 lanes already..
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Old January 5th, 2008, 05:33 AM   #216
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Tthird lane on M1 from Sheffield to Birmingham ?? It has 3 lanes already..
You're right of course, Junction 30 to 34 is 3 lane, however, after that there is a short two lane section til after the Blackburn Roundabout - it lasts for 1.5km.

Perhaps this is what he's referring to. It would make sense to widen it to 3 lanes at this point as everywhere else along the road is 3 lanes.
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What about J34 near Meadowhall ? It seems to be narrowed deliberately third lane is not used... So it looks like double hard shoulder...
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Old January 5th, 2008, 02:31 PM   #218
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What about J34 near Meadowhall ? It seems to be narrowed deliberately third lane is not used... So it looks like double hard shoulder...
That was what I was talking about - 34 til the blackburn roundabout is the main 2 lane section. It does narrow when the exit lanes split off for J34. Sorry, junction numbering at that point is rather confusing! I couldn't describe it very well!
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Yes it is like J34 and J34, LOL. Confusing... It should be J34a and J34b
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Old January 5th, 2008, 02:34 PM   #220
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Yes it is like J34 and J34, LOL. Confusing... It should be J34a and J34b
Or simply J34 and J34A like it is at Northampton with J15 and J15a. Nice and easy.
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