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Old January 5th, 2008, 02:37 PM   #221
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I think this third lane was availible in the past. Maybe is unavailible now for safety reasons. For example someone could go too close the crashbareer and break it ! This crashbareer on viaduct near Meadowhall doesn't look very safe...

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Old January 5th, 2008, 11:32 PM   #222
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That 2 lane bit over sheffield is due to bridge stregthening. it of course used to be 3 lane but until the bridge is repaired its going to be 2.
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Old January 5th, 2008, 11:57 PM   #223
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Oh, I know why now. There is also dual carriageway under it or joinining lanes..
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Old January 8th, 2008, 03:06 AM   #224
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That 2 lane bit over sheffield is due to bridge stregthening. it of course used to be 3 lane but until the bridge is repaired its going to be 2.
the bridge is repaired, however the lane drop is being kept until they widen the motorway, as it flows better that way.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 11:46 AM   #225
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So they want to widen motorway around Sheffield/Rotheram area ?
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Old January 8th, 2008, 04:07 PM   #226
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the bridge is repaired, however the lane drop is being kept until they widen the motorway, as it flows better that way.
Yeh i was gonna say just now havign been over there yesterday that it looke pretty permanent and even with the 2 lanes queue's dont seem too bad ever around there.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 04:55 PM   #227
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But when come to the end of holidays and other breakes it is pretty jammed, even 3 lanes Experience...
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Old January 10th, 2008, 06:18 PM   #228
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So they want to widen motorway around Sheffield/Rotheram area ?
from Leicester to the M62 is planned to be widened (in stages) to 4 lanes each way or more (more only in a couple of places), Likewise the M25-Milton Keynes section will be 4 lanes each way (M25-Luton nearly finished). Basically only j1-6a, j13-21 and j43-48 will be 3 lanes each way when they are done - the rest will be wider. There's also pipeline dreams of j13-19 being upgraded.
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But when come to the end of holidays and other breakes it is pretty jammed, even 3 lanes Experience...
Hence why it's down for widening
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Old January 15th, 2008, 05:02 AM   #229
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Scotland does have them. carlisle to glasgow M74. greenock to edinburgh M8.Edinburgh to Dunblane M9 Edinburgh to Perth M90.
In addition lots of divided A roads ie expressways. Dunblane-Perth-Dundee-Aberdeen A9/A90. A80/M80 Glasgow- Stirling. Edinburgh-Dunbar A1. A720 Edinburgh southern by pass etc etc etc.
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Old January 15th, 2008, 05:07 AM   #230
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Not so sir. 2 or 3 lanes each way, they are both called Motorways in the UK
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Old January 15th, 2008, 05:17 AM   #231
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pickle 33. partly agree with you but surely the A1/A1M, almost all divided highway, fills your first suggestion. The A19 further east also serves. Carlisle-Newcastle agree with you. Birmingham-Norwich is well served for most of the way by the A14, all divided highway and relatively new.
South coast...agree entirely with you but taking it through the Devon/Dorset/Hampshire coastline will bring down the wrath of the locals on you !
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Old January 15th, 2008, 08:40 AM   #232
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I wish I knew which posts you were referring to crieffite. Is it possible for you to quote the posts directly so we can all understand who you're replying to?
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Old January 17th, 2008, 05:09 PM   #233
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UK's highways close to gridlock

A new report on the UK’s traffic problems says that congestion has become endemic, affecting the core motorway network and small towns, in addition to large cities. The reports suggests that congestion costs the UK economy some 26 billion Euros/year and that this will continue to increase in the future. The ‘Towards Better Transport’ report has been produced in cooperation with Serco and Bevan Brittan LLP and states that the UK has the most crowded and congested roads, the fewest motorways, and some of the worst public transport of the leading industrialised countries. Each year more than 1.6 million passenger kilometres are travelled on each kilometre of Britain’s road network: more than twice the European average. However, the problems with the UK’s transport infrastructure are not due to a shortage of taxation. In 2006 private road users paid around 42.2 billion Euros in transport-related taxes. Of this 42.2 billion Euros, just 25% (10.55 billion Euros) was spent on the road network. And of this 10.55 billion Euros (enough in theory to construct at least 640km of six-lane motorway) a large proportion was spent on repairing damage to the roads, caused primarily by goods vehicles and another significant portion on anti-traffic and safety measures.
It's time to act in the United Kingdom.
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Old January 17th, 2008, 06:34 PM   #234
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They want to make M1 toll
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Old January 17th, 2008, 07:42 PM   #235
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It'll never happen, because its a political minefield and the environmentalists have such power over there.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 03:21 PM   #236
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They want to make M1 toll
I don't have a problem with that, I think that existing motorways should be tolled to pay for their maintenance and that would mean that the government can use its road budget to build new roads and widen existing routes.

The problem is that people in this country are in denial, they want to pretend that they live in a rural idyll that doesn't need roads and other infrastructure when actually they live in one of the most densely populated parts of the world.

Looking at the UK as a whole though underestimates the problem, most of those people are packed into less than half the land making that half even more dense.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 03:31 PM   #237
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UK - Population 60m



of which around 47m live in this area. (same scale)

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Old January 18th, 2008, 03:35 PM   #238
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The problem is that people in this country are in denial, they want to pretend that they live in a rural idyll that doesn't need roads and other infrastructure when actually they live in one of the most densely populated parts of the world.

Looking at the UK as a whole though underestimates the problem, most of those people are packed into less than half the land making that half even more dense.
This is exactly the same as in the Netherlands. We are much the same in that way. Some area's can be defined as rural, but there are villages with like 2000 inhabitants every 2 - 3 miles along certain routes. All together, they are not farmtowns like they used to be, but they rely heavily on the nearest larger city. All together, these are huge traffic flows from the countryside. We also have the problem of the limited number of river crossings.

Rural Netherlands or United Kingdom is the same as semi-rural to semi-urban in other parts of the world. I think Belgium can also be added to this.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 03:49 PM   #239
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The only comparable area in Europe with over 40m people and similar density would be the region including the Lille metro area, northern 2/3 of Belgium, Rhein-Ruhr and Southern 3/4 of the Netherlands.



Compare the motorway network there with that of 'dense England' and you'll see why we have so much congestion.
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Old January 18th, 2008, 03:53 PM   #240
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Compare the motorway network there with that of 'dense England' and you'll see why we have so much congestion.
It's not directly comparable, since Britain's motorways are almost always 2x3 lanes, and Dutch motorways are almost always 2x2 lanes.

And i'm not familiar with truck traffic in Britain, but Antwerp and Rotterdam are one of Europe's largest ports. Every 3 seconds, a truck departs from Antwerp, and this is arguably even higher in Rotterdam (larger harbor).

On some Belgian and Dutch motorways, the right lane is one line of trucks for miles and miles.
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