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Old June 29th, 2013, 04:40 PM   #3301
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Only a few motorways in United Kingdom have tolls isn't it? I see the legend in Google Maps but I don't clarify very much.
Perhaps in Northern Ireland?
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Old June 29th, 2013, 04:59 PM   #3302
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If emergency crews would rely on hard shoulders they wouldn't reach their operating site very often.
Indeed, but they use them where possible.

Most of the discontinuous hard shoulders, especially the newer ones, deliberately allow a path big enough for ambulances to use. eg here, where they didn't rebuild the bridge, but rather just removed the hard shoulder on the main carriageway, but then went to a lot of effort to create a one narrow-lane carriageway each way to allow emergency vehicles to not travel in the running lanes (note 'authorised vehicles only' sign, the hefty crash barriers protecting the bridge pier, and the fact that there is a crash barrier on the far side.

You don't take out a lot of embankment, add a load of crash-barrier, etc if you don't consider it important to have the hard shoulder as a way for emergency vehicles to get to crash sites. If the hard shoulder was merely for people to use to get out of the way of vehicles when stopped (broken down/if emergency vehicles are driving through congestion caused by incident to get to said incident), then this here is a serious waste of money.

Hampshire police kicked up a big fuss when part of the M271's shoulder at the M27 roundabout was proposed to be turned into a running lane - why would they do that, if it wasn't because they want a clear hard shoulder to bypass congestion on the carriageway that incidents cause?
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Old June 29th, 2013, 05:42 PM   #3303
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Only a few motorways in United Kingdom have tolls isn't it? I see the legend in Google Maps but I don't clarify very much.
Perhaps in Northern Ireland?
Only motorways with tolls are the M4 and M48 Severn Bridges and the M6Toll.

Other primary road tolls are:
  • Dartford Crossing
  • Tyne Tunnel
  • Humber Bridge
  • Mersey Tunnels
  • Tamar Bridge (A38 bridge into Cornwall)
  • Trent Bridge on the A57
I'm pretty sure that list is comprehensive and the only other planned road toll is the Runcorn-Widnes bridges (the old one and the new, to fund the new).

There are no tolls at all in Northern Ireland.
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Old June 29th, 2013, 05:45 PM   #3304
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Will the new Queensferry Crossing be toll-free?
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Old June 29th, 2013, 05:48 PM   #3305
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Yes. Scotland doesn't do road tolls (having bought out all the remaining ones - Tay, Forth, Skye, Erskine about 5 or 6 years ago), so won't bring on new ones.
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Old June 29th, 2013, 06:24 PM   #3306
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Thank you Sotonsi, but I have to clarify somewhat: All the itinerary in M4 and M6 have tolls? or only few parts? For example M4 I know that have toll in Bristol Channel, but the other part also is tolled?

Thank you again.
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Old June 29th, 2013, 07:21 PM   #3307
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Thank you Sotonsi, but I have to clarify somewhat: All the itinerary in M4 and M6 have tolls? or only few parts? For example M4 I know that have toll in Bristol Channel, but the other part also is tolled?
Just the bridge over the Severn Estuary (and the M48 bridge to the north) is tolled.

The M6Toll is a separate motorway to the M6. None of the M6 is tolled.
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 08:15 PM   #3308
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Hah UK can into continental road colours now on google earth. I couldn't understand why UK used different colour's from the rest... now i except a response from UKIP saying that it's all brussel's plan.
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 08:44 PM   #3309
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Hah UK can into continental road colours now on google earth. I couldn't understand why UK used different colour's from the rest... now i except a response from UKIP saying that it's all brussel's plan.
I think it's because those colours are so entrenched in British road maps. Irish roads are also in the same colour scheme on google maps.
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 11:18 PM   #3310
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Google's cartography has been gradually declining. New google maps is a step-change in awfulness and it is so ugly that even if they fixed the completely unintuitive StreetView, slow loading times and all the other problems, I still wouldn't use it as a map.
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 11:23 PM   #3311
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Not to mention the boatload of mapping errors, such as showing neighborhoods but not the actual city names on certain zoom levels. If you zoom out to show the British isles and surrounding areas, it shows the town of Tilehurst, a 14,000 people suburb of Reading.
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Old July 3rd, 2013, 02:05 AM   #3312
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Not to mention the boatload of mapping errors, such as showing neighborhoods but not the actual city names on certain zoom levels. If you zoom out to show the British isles and surrounding areas, it shows the town of Tilehurst, a 14,000 people suburb of Reading.
At a certain zooming level you'll see 5 towns in Switzerland: Genève, Lausanne, Basel/Bâle/Basilea (yeah, with French and Italian names), Verbier (a small mountain village near Martigny) and last but not least, Kreis 11 (of Zürich, but not Zürich itself).
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Old July 4th, 2013, 04:08 AM   #3313
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Another good day off.
This time I walked around the M25/M26/A21 junction
M26 looking east


Looking west




M25 looking NE


Junction








M25 below A21






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Old July 4th, 2013, 04:11 AM   #3314
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M25 looking west


I think those works are connected to future shoulder running on this stretch of M25.
They could widen it instead.










Average speed cameras


M25 further west


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Old July 4th, 2013, 04:16 AM   #3315
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And for the end few random shots of signage and other stuff

I like those signs asking for being careful. Somehow I always feel personally asked by inhabitants of given village and obey such limits more than just a limit. It must be psychological trick.


Polite thank you




Old signs


Local country lane




A bit overgrown












Another name with the apostrophe, I love those




That's it for now. It might be a while before I post more pictures. I'm going to be too busy in the next few weeks.
But I'll see what I can do

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Old July 6th, 2013, 01:04 AM   #3316
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Welcome. I do statistics of roads in Europe. I have question.
What is the total length of UK Motorways and Expressways?
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Old July 6th, 2013, 01:09 PM   #3317
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http://bit.ly/10Fkqj7 <- you'll find what you are looking for here.

You don't do statistics of roads in Europe, you want to do statistics of roads in Europe. If you did stats, you'd have the (easily find-able) data already.
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Old July 6th, 2013, 01:24 PM   #3318
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I think those works are connected to future shoulder running on this stretch of M25.
They could widen it instead.
No, they are widening it to 4 lanes with no shoulder*. It is called 'permanent all lane running' and is cheaper than temporary all-lane running.

Interestingly, this scheme means that the section will now be lit. As a kid, whenever we were coming back from East Kent, I could tell, even when half-asleep when we joined the M25 as there was about 90 seconds of very well lit junction book-cased by a good ten minutes of darkness.

*Which will see an end the signs put at the exit of Clacket Lane services about 10 years ago telling Eastern European lorry drivers that they cannot park on the hard shoulder.
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Old July 6th, 2013, 01:38 PM   #3319
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http://bit.ly/10Fkqj7 <- you'll find what you are looking for here.
You don't do statistics of roads in Europe, you want to do statistics of roads in Europe. If you did stats, you'd have the (easily find-able) data already.
I don't agree. The only statistics you can trust are those you falsified yourself.

I did a own statistic about my countires motorway length some years ago. The result was different to all available statistics - including all official statistics .
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Old July 6th, 2013, 01:50 PM   #3320
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No, they are widening it to 4 lanes with no shoulder*. It is called 'permanent all lane running' and is cheaper than temporary all-lane running.

Interestingly, this scheme means that the section will now be lit. As a kid, whenever we were coming back from East Kent, I could tell, even when half-asleep when we joined the M25 as there was about 90 seconds of very well lit junction book-cased by a good ten minutes of darkness.

*Which will see an end the signs put at the exit of Clacket Lane services about 10 years ago telling Eastern European lorry drivers that they cannot park on the hard shoulder.
No hard shoulder at all?
I guess they will put up gantries with thousands of speed cameras as well.
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