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Old May 18th, 2008, 01:11 AM   #341
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Are there any plans for new motorways in UK ? I know there are plans for extending motorway in Glasgo, also plans for building new stretch of A74(M) near Carlisle and plans for new stretch of A1(M) from Wetherby to junction with A64. Any other plans ?
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Old May 18th, 2008, 01:58 AM   #342
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Are there any plans for new motorways in UK ? I know there are plans for extending motorway in Glasgo, also plans for building new stretch of A74(M) near Carlisle and plans for new stretch of A1(M) from Wetherby to junction with A64. Any other plans ?
No, generally motorway building has now stopped in the UK, with only a few short new stretches being built, primarily in Scotland.
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Old May 18th, 2008, 03:46 AM   #343
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its all converting 2x2 A roads to 3x3 motorway really, no new ones.

i do think we need a few more stretches of motorway though.
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Old May 18th, 2008, 11:48 AM   #344
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Are there any plans for new motorways in UK ? I know there are plans for extending motorway in Glasgo, also plans for building new stretch of A74(M) near Carlisle and plans for new stretch of A1(M) from Wetherby to junction with A64. Any other plans ?
This guy nows more than most.

http://www.cbrd.co.uk/futures/
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Old May 18th, 2008, 01:40 PM   #345
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What's the function of those dot markings on the last pic?

i took that picture from an overheaq bridge, and just below me under the bridge is a speed camera. The speed camera takes several pictures in an instant and the dot markings on the roads are there to measure how fast the speeding car was travelling.
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Old May 18th, 2008, 02:06 PM   #346
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I think in Glasgow they should extend the M73 southwest to join M77.

The scots should also build M80 parallel to A80 between J3 and J4, build interchange J3a to link with M73; and let A80 serve local traffic.

Happy to see the Scots build a much needed link b/w M74 and M8.
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Old May 19th, 2008, 12:19 AM   #347
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This guy nows more than most.

http://www.cbrd.co.uk/futures/
Yup - mostly A road upgrades/bypasses and a couple of motorway widening schemes on the whole.
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Old May 19th, 2008, 09:12 PM   #348
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Sadly transport has not exactly been at the top of new labours agenda.

I was recently on holiday in France and it still amazes me every time I drive on a near empty Autoroute.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 01:03 PM   #349
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France has an advantage that it has pretty much the same population as us in a country that is 2.5 times as big, add to that the tolls that mean lots of people take other roads and the great HSR service and the motorways can be far emptier than ours (except on certain holidays when everybody in the country seems to be travelling)

France also has a more even spread of population, most of the UK's population is squeezed into the southern two thirds of England while France has major cities at all corners of the country.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 07:46 PM   #350
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British motorways are the best in the world at night... and the road surface is excellent in general.
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For a start, you're at least partially wrong. UK road signage is very good and clear. As for good mannered road users... hmm, depends where in the UK you are.




Beautiful.
The signs have no STANDARD ... they have good lettering and bright and contrast colors but ... no defined standard ... one never knows for sure what the damn sign means.

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Agreed MP...I don't see why there are so many complaints about British signage. I've been to many countries and I can honestly say that British road signs are probably the easiest to read in the world.
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No, generally motorway building has now stopped in the UK, with only a few short new stretches being built, primarily in Scotland.

You can go to Youtube and search for USER = "sorefame"

Lot's of scotish roads in his videos
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Old May 20th, 2008, 08:04 PM   #351
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What do you mean "the signs have no standard"?

They are the same across the network, I have no trouble knowing what they mean
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Old May 20th, 2008, 08:12 PM   #352
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I agree that when there is no enough trafic, there is no need for 3X2 motorways but on the other side there should be a terminology distinction between them, I think a 2x2 road should be called Expressway not a Motorway.
And what is a motorway anyway ???

Last tiemI checked in the UK you get:
Motorway (proper highway with 80mph limits)
Dual carriageway (any national road with 2x2 lanes and 70mph limits)
scotish dual carriageways rule ... roundabound intersections between 2 DC and even soem local supermarket acess roads labeled as DC (and so 70mph) in the midle of nowhere.

In spain it would be:
Autopista (highway)
Autovia (highway or lacking something)

Here in portugal it would be:
Autoestrada (120 km/h highway)
Via Rapida (highway with under 120km/h speed limits or even a 1x1 segregated route)

And by the way ... "expressway" denotes fast lanes ???






As an aftertought I would like to add that my left hand driving adaptation period lasted as long as 150m ... and that maintaining UNDER the speed limit was rather stressfull ...

You managed to take all the fun out of speeding and passing other traffic ... doing so well under the speed limits is no fun at all.
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Old May 20th, 2008, 08:22 PM   #353
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What do you mean "the signs have no standard"?

They are the same across the network, I have no trouble knowing what they mean
They are ... well ... caotic!!!

But my favourite british signals are:

[passing place]

and

[speed cameras]

and also

[single file traffic]

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Old May 21st, 2008, 02:18 AM   #354
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Dual carriageway does not always equals to expressway.
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Old May 21st, 2008, 03:52 AM   #355
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They are ... well ... caotic!!!
I'd say that British signs are very well standardised.

The blue signs = signs you see on a motorway.
Green signs = Main routes such as A roads to the nearest city.
White signs = Local routes or small places along a route.

That's the signs out the way, what else don't you quite understand about what is on them?
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Old May 21st, 2008, 01:59 PM   #356
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sotavento - I think the trouble here is that you are not used to British motorway/road signage and therefore you seem to think that they are confusing and not standardised. If you live here and drive often you'll come to realise that they are very standardised and not confusing at all! I really don't see where you're coming from with this - I have always found the signage to be informative and clear.

As for "what is a motorway?" - it is a 2x2 road or greater (usually they're 3x3 in England) with a hard shoulder, fully flowing interchanges rather than roundabouts or other forms of junction, and a 70mph speed limit (not 80 as you seem to think!) for most vehicles. There are other "motorway restrictions" which include a minimum of 30mph (unless of course there is heavy traffic), no horses, bicycles, etc and a few other rules.

As for the direction boards - Motorways have blue signs with white writing. Primary A roads (a mixture of dual carriageways and other heavily used main roads) have green signs with white writing. Other roads have white signs with black writing. If you're on a little local road and on the direction sign (which will be white with black writing) it mentions the M6 for instance, the "M6" part appears in its motorway colours of blue and white.

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Old May 21st, 2008, 02:01 PM   #357
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The definitive guide!

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAn...ings/index.htm

Warning signs are triangular. Information signs are rectangular. Signs giving orders are circular.
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Old May 21st, 2008, 02:20 PM   #358
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I don't get the big issue foreigners have with UK road signs either. They're quite llogical, in the most part.

Let's see..

This sign is approaching a motorway exit. For Heathrow, stay on the M4. Stay on the motorway and follow signs for the M23, if you want Gatwick. Stay on the motorway and follow signs for the M40, if you want Oxford. Use the exit for the A412 and Maple Cross.


You're approaching a roundabout. The first exit is the A702 and Elvanfoot. The second exit is Carlisle via the A74(M), which has motorway regulations, as shown by the blue panel and the (M). The next exit is a road that leads you to the M74, which is a motorway as shown by the blue panel and which takes you to Glasgow. You can go this way Douglas via the B7078. The A70 is also down that way. The next exit is not an exit and you'll smash into oncoming traffic. The exit after is a service station.
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Old May 21st, 2008, 02:28 PM   #359
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In my opinion, they show a few too much road numbers. It's not always clear which road you're on (look at the first motorway pic). Also, the roadnumbers appear too large in my opinion. Besides that, i think destinations are choosen too regionally, in other words, they don't always sign major cities far away. Since there are a lot of major cities in the UK, it's not always clear how to take a route to Birmingham from the north for instance.

However, i don't think the UK signage is that bad. One of the most important things to me is that "signage is meant for those unknown to the area/system, not for those driving there regularly". So signage has to be clear instantly to someone unknown to the area.

Of what i've heard from Dutch road meetings at signage factories, they say the British gantry's (overheads and signage structure) are by far the unsafest due to their massiveness, and their often concrete poles. I don't know wether it's true, but it were experts saying that.
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Old May 21st, 2008, 02:33 PM   #360
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About that too regional signage, i found these pics posted by me earlier in the thread.

This is the M6, one of the most important axis in the United Kingdom. However, only small towns are signed, no sign of Birmingham or even Liverpool or Manchester.
[img]http://i17.************/4v3idg0.jpg[/img]

My proposition (i used a German style program, but don't think i want German style signs )
[img]http://i19.************/4r0bzfr.png[/img]
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