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Old July 13th, 2014, 07:40 PM   #3741
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Even at night time. The UK carries out high scale motorway maintenance at night, with leaving one lane open or closing entire stretches of motorway. This often leads to congestion at let say 3 am on the motorways around London as well as the M6 between Birmingham and Manchester.
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Old July 21st, 2014, 01:56 AM   #3742
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News from my area of the world this week:-



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New £1bn motorway to relieve M4 bottleneck at Newport gets Welsh Government go-ahead

The government is to press ahead with a highly-controversial plan to build a new motorway to relieve a bottleneck on the M4 around Newport.

Economy Minister Edwina Hart said in a statement to Assembly Members she had rubber-stamped the controversial “black route” option for the stretch between Magor and Castleton, which will cost around £1bn to build. This would involve building on the Gwent Levels wetlands - causing a loss of habitat and impede wildlife movement.

The decision has caused fury among opposition parties, who said it ignored environmental and economic concerns. Opposition figures have consistently backed an alternative, cheaper “blue route” option proposed by transport consultant Professor Stuart Cole to upgrade the A48 Southern Distributor road at a third of the cost.

But Ms Hart said a consultation on a draft plan, including the £1bn option of a new motorway, did not present any reasons why it should not be adopted.

She said “complementary measures” also given the go-ahead included reclassifying the existing M4 between Magor and Castleton, an M4-M48-B4245 connection and provision of cycling and walking-friendly infrastructure.

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There's also a specific website for those who whish to look at the full decision to go ahead with this, at M4Newport.com
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Old July 21st, 2014, 02:56 AM   #3743
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I won't believe any new motorway construction until I see diggers on site.
This country is brainwashed to hate motorways. Pure and simple.
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Old July 21st, 2014, 06:09 PM   #3744
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I thought M4T(r)oll proposal was long-dead now.

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Old July 21st, 2014, 08:27 PM   #3745
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Yes, after nearly 5 years (to the day) it's back as an official and approved scheme. I think the cost saving of the awful Rogiet redesign* make the business case better, and the downgrading of the old route to trunk road would allow them to butcher it.

*I understand the junction with the B road. I even understand having the M48 not having a free-flowing connection (traffic levels are low). But to have the old M4 route have to navigate 2 roundabouts to get to the M4 towards London and Bristol is just mental.
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Old July 21st, 2014, 08:31 PM   #3746
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The current M4 carries around 100,000 vehicles per day on either side of the tunnel, but 70,000 in the tunnel. But it's curvy and a bit substandard for that kind of heavy traffic.

Is it still planned as a tolled motorway? And will it feature four or six lanes?
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Old July 21st, 2014, 08:48 PM   #3747
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no tolls, 6 lanes.

This table is interesting - shows that much of the old route (now not motorway) will be busier than the new route, but the tunnels and the Rogiet/Magor - Coldra route wouldn't be that busy (though 43,800 is a rather high amount to have on those roundabouts), saying that that traffic is local (or strategic using the A4042 and A449)

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Link           |2012 Base|'22nobuild|2022build|2037nobuild|2037build
J29-J28        |102,900  | 122,000  | 72,500  | 142,200   | 85,800 
J28-J27        |102,000  | 116,700  | 71,600  | 135,100   | 86.000 
J27-J26        |104,200  | 119,700  | 74,100  | 137,000   | 86,900 
J26-J25a Tunnel| 69,200  |  80,500  | 34,900  |  94,800   | 44,600 
J25a-J25       | 89,500  | 105,200  | 59,400  | 124,000   | 72,600 
J25-J24        | 92,600  | 108,600  | 62,800  | 129,300   | 77,900 
J24-J23a       | 77,300  |  89,400  | 38,200  | 105,900   | 47,100 
J23a-J23       | 68,300  |  82,200  | 36,800  |  98,600   | 43,800 
J29-Docks      |   -     |    -     | 60,000  |    -      | 76,700 
Docks-Glan Llyn|   -     |    -     | 56,000  |    -      | 69,400 
Glan Llyn-J23  |   -     |    -     | 58,400  |    -      | 72,200
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Old August 1st, 2014, 01:20 AM   #3748
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Today some shots of the impressive Humber Bridge:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humber_Bridge

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Old August 1st, 2014, 01:28 AM   #3749
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Looks like the one in San Francisco, looks nice. I have to drive up there one day, is there anything to see in that area geogregor or you just driving for work without stopping?
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Old August 1st, 2014, 01:32 AM   #3750
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Looks like the one in San Francisco, looks nice. I have to drive up there one day, is there anything to see in that area geogregor or you just driving for work without stopping?
I actually went to Hull especially to see the bridge

I've heard a lot of bad stories about Hull but found the city actuallu quite interesting, at least for a few hours stop. South of the bridge we stopped in Lincoln which is a nice city with impressive cathedral.

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Old August 1st, 2014, 01:40 AM   #3751
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Old August 1st, 2014, 01:41 AM   #3752
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And the last few shots












I really enjoyed my bridge adventure, highly recommended for road or bridge geeks
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Old August 1st, 2014, 02:19 AM   #3753
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I could never understand why the Humber Bridge was built as a suspension bridge at all. Hardly any boats go underneath it...maybe they did when it was designed but not by the time they built it.

Britains nicest suspension bridge by a long way, it has a certain loneliness about it.
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Old August 1st, 2014, 02:53 AM   #3754
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because they could.

Bridge supports in the Humber would have issues with foundations - there's a lot of mud before you reach something solid. The flow is also quite strong, making building it that way probably harder than the show-off suspension bridge.
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Old August 1st, 2014, 03:08 PM   #3755
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Nice photos!

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Looks like the one in San Francisco
The only thing it has in common is that they're both suspension bridges.
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Oh come on, you're gonna say they don't look similar?



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Old August 2nd, 2014, 12:51 PM   #3757
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It's not that we don't build motorways in the UK, we just build very few, and we build them in areas where the population isn't growing rapidly as a kind of "social service" to try and bring investment to areas. So, south Wales (quite poor), north-east England (quite poor), and Scotland (quite poor). The last motorway built remotely down south was near Birmingham, which was over 10 years ago and tolled, and before that you have to go back 18 years, yet south east England's population has absolutely exploded whilst other areas of the country have grown little, been stagnant or even declined.
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 02:12 PM   #3758
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It's not that we don't build motorways in the UK, we just build very few,
"Very few" is a massive overstatement.
Just few short stretches in last, what, 20 odd years? In country with population of 60 millions and growing?
It is a joke.
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 05:04 PM   #3759
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I noticed very advanced roadworks going on on one of the most ridiculous junction I have seen - "Catthorpe Interchange".
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Old August 2nd, 2014, 05:04 PM   #3760
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But don't forget the massive number of lane-miles added to the network since '94. The amount of widening has been rather high. Rather than expanding the network, there's been a focus on getting more out of the routes we already have.

And it's not like motorways are the be-all-and-end-all. The SE has a reasonable, and growing, expressway network.

No one is complaining that the Dutch aren't doing stuff, but they have also opened very little motorway in the last 20 years.
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