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Old December 28th, 2014, 06:10 PM   #3961
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....Instead it's now officially a charge not a toll....
Huh? Did they consult George Orwell on this?
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Old December 28th, 2014, 06:30 PM   #3962
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Huh? Did they consult George Orwell on this?
I was taking the mickey out of one thing I read. There's no difference.

Edit: elsewhere, that was.
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Old December 28th, 2014, 09:04 PM   #3963
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so... I heard England had 2 inches of snow and the country is paralyzed I guess I am just a colonial
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Old December 28th, 2014, 09:13 PM   #3964
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You are. We're rebels.

I read in the Daily Telegraph a few years ago that Transport for London or whatever it's called these days was suffering Tube breakdowns. The explanation being that they're not designed for 25F/-4C weather. There are major cities (New York...) where 25F (or a little lower, actually) is the normal low in January. And major cities where it's a hell of a lot colder.

Queen Victoria would not be amused.
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Old December 28th, 2014, 09:52 PM   #3965
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Old December 28th, 2014, 10:08 PM   #3966
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Well, arguing about whether the bridge is "one of" the most expensive in the world or not is a bit silly, I think, given that that "one of" renders the whole idea rather, well, vague.

But to your other point, how many tolls are there in the UK at all? This, Dartford, the M6....?

Roads

M6 Toll

Bridges

Dartford Crossing (1963 and 1981)[7]
Humber Bridge
Mersey Tunnels (1886 & 1971)
Severn Bridge (1966)
Tyne Tunnel (1967)

Congestion pricing zones

London congestion charge
Durham congestion charge

Planned tolls

Roads

M4 relief road (South Wales)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll_ro...#Current_tolls
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Old December 28th, 2014, 10:37 PM   #3967
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I also remember some less significant toll bridges in Oxfordshire, charged about 20 pence or so.
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Old December 28th, 2014, 10:42 PM   #3968
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Yeah, there are loads of those about. This is the Whitchurch Bridge just outside Reading:



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Old December 28th, 2014, 10:46 PM   #3969
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so... I heard England had 2 inches of snow and the country is paralyzed I guess I am just a colonial
Snow and Health and Safety is beyond a joke in the UK
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Old December 29th, 2014, 03:55 AM   #3970
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The writer is neither a journalist nor a lawyer. It's a piece of creative writing, maybe fiction.

Nobody writing such nonsense has adduced a case of someone actually being sued.

That article was nearly 5 years ago. In the same newspaper this week a government minister is quoted as saying people should ignore bogus warnings and help their neighbours.
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Old December 29th, 2014, 05:02 AM   #3971
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It doesn't matter. The UK still has a very strange stance on health and safety and snow, which goes side by side in propaganda North Korea style. People are not allowed to think for themselves anymore. There are even signs in hotel rooms warning guests that water can get very hot and may cause blisters.
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Old December 29th, 2014, 05:16 AM   #3972
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it's okay. I've had hotel rooms where the hot water wasn't hot enough...

oh and one I spent a month living out of, that had hot water that came and went as other people used water, morning shower, freeze and burn at random intervals, I swore so much...
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Old December 29th, 2014, 02:52 PM   #3973
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so... I heard England had 2 inches of snow and the country is paralyzed I guess I am just a colonial
The snow fall was so strangely localised! We had no snow in Prestbury (Cheshire) but in Macclesfield, less than 2 miles away they had a lot!
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Old December 29th, 2014, 03:17 PM   #3974
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We get paralysed as our snow tends to be different to typical snow where snow is typical.

For one thing, its rare to get snow - even if annual, people aren't used to driving in/on it.

For another, it often melts and refreezes, leaving dangerous ice instead. When it snows in the UK, it tends to be within a couple of degrees of freezing.

And thirdly it normally comes down in big flurries/blizzards that mean you can't drive fast because you can't see. Even in the places where you get lots of snow, such things cause traffic chaos.
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Old December 29th, 2014, 09:24 PM   #3975
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Speaking of tolls, I recall an accident on the A34 at Oxford forcing me to find an alternative route. The alternative route I chose took me across the Swinford Toll Bridge. I was very surprised when I discovered the toll was 5p. Yes, just 5p!
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Old December 29th, 2014, 11:56 PM   #3976
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We get paralysed as our snow tends to be different to typical snow where snow is typical.(..)
Well...

In communist times we had been told that population of Colorado beetles damaging our potatoes were part of an American plot to biologically destroy our "land of milk and honey" and we believed in it.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 12:29 AM   #3977
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I don't think the UK was paralysed at any point in the past week. Liverpool Airport closed its runway for a bit, that's all I heard about. -4C isn't shockingly cold for London either, I don't see why it would be a problem for the tube.

What I do think is that the British media loves exaggerating everything, and people love it. I remember when I was doing my GCSEs it snowed 8cm, and several schools nearby closed, mine stayed opened but only about 1/4 of the school bothered turning up, but everyone that tried did. The buses were fine, the roads were fine. But some people overreact, partly at least due to sensationalist headlines.

I would understand if it only snowed once a decade.
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Old December 30th, 2014, 01:07 AM   #3978
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Hahaha, snow is given so much importance in the UK, like if it was such a terrific event, than even a thin layer paralyze the whole country (airport closed, road blocked, train stopped, school and public service off), pushing everyone, all newspapers, medias and public service to talk over and over about it, as if it was something sent by aliens in order to infect all British humans .

On the other hand, white Britain would be so romantic .

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Old December 30th, 2014, 01:45 AM   #3979
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England, after all, is where a transport snarlup was blamed on "The Wrong Kind of Snow" around 25 years ago. There is a helpful page explaining it Here
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Old December 30th, 2014, 02:00 AM   #3980
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Media have general tendency to exaggerate everything, not only in the UK, try watching Polish news

I honestly didn't notice any major problems with transport in London last week.
My girlfriend crossed country from London to Cornwall and back and didn't encounter any serious problems either (only minor delays).
Sure there were issues with overrunning of the engineering works on some railways (Kings Cross and Paddington services on Saturday) but it had nothing to do with snow or weather.

As Daniel said, they closed two airports for short period of time for clearing snow from the runways, apart from that British airports functioned largely without a hitch.

On roads major issues were concentrated mostly to the Pennines and Wales and even there they lasted for at most a few hours.

Not really Armageddon as portrayed in some media outlets

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