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Old March 21st, 2017, 07:42 PM   #4381
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A2 in SE London:

Looking towards central London:

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Old March 24th, 2017, 02:18 AM   #4382
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Again those ridicules UK prices.
Thinking about this some more, it occurred to me that in the UK, both design and construction are outsourced. I know for a fact that it costs Highways England three to four times as much to pay consultants in some areas as it does to pay someone in house to do the same job.

The question, then, is what's the norm in other countries? Do road authorities or departments of transport design and build schemes in house, is everything contracted out, or a mixture?
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Old March 24th, 2017, 10:43 AM   #4383
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A2 in SE London:

Looking towards central London:



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There goes The Last Surviving mk1 Mondeo of the UK. Hard to believe there were millions of them on the roads 20 years ago.
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Old March 24th, 2017, 03:49 PM   #4384
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Thinking about this some more, it occurred to me that in the UK, both design and construction are outsourced. I know for a fact that it costs Highways England three to four times as much to pay consultants in some areas as it does to pay someone in house to do the same job.

The question, then, is what's the norm in other countries? Do road authorities or departments of transport design and build schemes in house, is everything contracted out, or a mixture?
Outsourcing is pretty common in the Netherlands, they managed to publish over 30 environmental impact assessments in a few years, some of those are very complex and critical.

In Germany much is done in-house, and as a result they cannot build as many projects simply because there is insufficient capacity to design and plan everything. Projects are commonly chopped up in sub-sub segments to keep them managable.

However it's not fair to directly compare the salary of a civil servant with the fee of a consultant. A consultant also has to pay his pension, insurances, equipment, transport, certification, courses, administration, etc so they naturally charge a significantly higher hourly rate than the gross hourly wage of a government employee.
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Old March 24th, 2017, 08:38 PM   #4385
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"Major roads projects at risk of cancellation or delay, says NAO"
"England road schemes 'could be scrapped' over value for money"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-39342978
https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/m...018477.article
https://transport-network.co.uk/NAO-...ery-plan/13927
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Old March 24th, 2017, 09:16 PM   #4386
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Highways England deliberately scheduled more schemes than they could afford, expecting some to fall by the wayside for political reasons etc, as usually happens. The upshot is that in mid-2016 they were estimated to be £840m over their £15bn new construction budget for 2015-20. Hence the review of 16 schemes.

Since then (but not accounted for in the report) the A27 Chichester scheme has been scrapped after the local councils withdrew their support, so that's about £250m of the £840m saved. The other £600m or so they need to save will come either from similar 'easy' scheme cancellations (like A5036 Port of Liverpool, which no one seems to like much) and maybe by moving a few 2019-20 schemes into 2020-21. It's nothing too dramatic really.

Perhaps more impactful for delivery are the procurement and capacity issues. As mentioned in the links, Highways England were planning to start construction on 50+ schemes (half of the entire 2015-2020 programme) in 2019-20. Essentially the UK construction industry isn't geared up for so many road contracts at once, so there would be minimal competition, higher contract prices, and possibly doubts about deliverability. As HE have belatedly realized, they can avoid all this by spreading those schemes out into 2020-21 and perhaps 2018-19.
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Old March 24th, 2017, 09:27 PM   #4387
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Consultation on the A55/A494/A548 Deeside Corridor improvement, in North Wales, has opened. There are two options - a blue option, which would widen the A55 and A494 to six lanes, and a red offline option.

The Welsh Government has now put up a couple of flythroughs for this:



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Old March 25th, 2017, 12:10 AM   #4388
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. Essentially the UK construction industry isn't geared up for so many road contracts at once, so there would be minimal competition, higher contract prices, and possibly doubts about deliverability. As HE have belatedly realized, they can avoid all this by spreading those schemes out into 2020-21 and perhaps 2018-19.
All the EU companies are out after 2019 so dunno where any extra capacity from 2020 is coming outta.
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Old March 25th, 2017, 01:05 AM   #4389
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All the EU companies are out after 2019 so dunno where any extra capacity from 2020 is coming outta.
No matter how stupid a deal brexit leaves us with, things would have to be pretty disastrous for EU companies to be barred from bidding for contracts in the UK.
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Old March 25th, 2017, 02:28 AM   #4390
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They wont be barred but they will have problems bringing staff in after Brexit. Road builders like to build their own design/supervision crews with them and hire some local machinery/drivers if such are available.
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Old March 25th, 2017, 12:46 PM   #4391
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The whole construction industry will suffer if there is reduced access to the EU labour market, but it won't make much difference where the group HQ is located. Carillion or Costain are just as reliant on skilled EU labour as Vinci UK or Skanska UK.

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Old March 25th, 2017, 03:17 PM   #4392
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Went up to Yorkshire on Thursday and got some video of the progress along the A1(M) Leeming to Barton motorway upgrade.

Mainline progress:


LAR progress:
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Old March 27th, 2017, 03:11 PM   #4393
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Work at the M4’s Junction 28 have started - and are expected take 16 months to complete.

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According to data provided by the Welsh Government, the existing M4 Junction 28 roundabout together with the adjacent roundabouts at Bassaleg and Pont Ebbw are used by more than 6,000 vehicles an hour at peak times.

A spokeswoman for the Welsh Government said: “Strategically, M4 Junction 28 is the principal link between the M4 and west Newport, which is a major employment area. The improvement of all three junctions is seen by the Welsh Government as an important part of its programme for economic regeneration providing access to jobs, safe reliable journeys and improved resilience for the trunk road and local network in south east Wales".

The scheme specific objectives are to increase throughput at the junctions, increase the use of the Southern Distributor Road (SDR) and to reduce delays to movements between M4, A48, A467 and the SDR, amongst others.

The estimated construction cost for the scheme is £13.7 million, the Welsh Government has said.

WHEN?

Project manager Tom Kenyon said: “Works at Bassaleg roundabout will start on March 20. We will only be working in two roundabouts at a time to minimise the impact on traffic. The whole roundabout won’t be closed".



In all three roundabouts, re-surfacing will be carried out and new street lighting and drainage will be installed.
The traffic lights installed in all three roundabouts will respond to real time traffic flow.

Tredegar Park (J28)



The main change will be two additional lanes being introduced at the bottom of the M4 eastbound off-slip, with a new dedicated through road to the SDR from the off-slip. The first two lanes will be dedicated to go towards Forge Road or to go round the roundabout, back towards Cardiff.

The shape of the roundabout will also be altered, from circular to elongated. Supplementary traffic islands have been provided to separate flows, increasing capacity and improving safety.

Bassaleg roundabout



The main change in this roundabout is going to be the addition of a third lane when approaching the roundabout from Forge Road. There will also be increased junction capacity on the roundabout itself, with a third lane added in parts, as well as the addition of a second lane when coming off the roundabout to Caerphilly Road.

Permanent full-time traffic signals will be installed to allow smoother traffic movements by providing balanced traffic flows between the routes.

Pont Ebbw roundabout



The main change in this roundabout will be the creation of a new though-link from Tredegar Park to the SDR in both directions, so traffic will be able to cut through. A second lane to come off the roundabout towards Cardiff Road will be added and the A48 eastbound approach to the roundabout will be widened.

There will also be additional lanes on the roundabout.

Supplementary traffic islands have been provided to separate flows, increasing capacity and improving safety.
Taken from Here with images taken from www.gov.wales/m4Junction28

As an almost daily user of these routes (Bassaleg roundabout and Pont Ebbw) so far they've taken away trees from Forge Road.
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Old March 31st, 2017, 06:34 PM   #4394
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The Smart Motorway on the M5 between J4A and J5 has opened over the last few days. As a former local and someone who still regularly travels this stretch for work, it it's going to give a hell of a lot of traffic relief for that section.

Work is still ongoing between J5 and J6, that's more than likely going to open in the next few weeks.

Now they just need to do the M5 between J4A and the M6, and the M42 between the M5 and J3A! (Neither of which are on the cards, to my understanding)

Anyway, got some video while I was down that way yesterday...

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Old April 7th, 2017, 10:22 PM   #4395
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This week I was nearby Edinburgh in Scotland and I have stopped to take some pictures at the Queensferry Crossing (location).

From left to right in both pictures:
Forth Bridge (railway bridge opened in 1890 - was the longest spanning bridge in the world when built)
Forth Road Bridge (current road bridge, opened in 1964)
New Queensferry Crossing (new road bridge, under construction, to be completed in late summer 2017)

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Old April 12th, 2017, 04:01 PM   #4396
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There seems to be some decision about new lower Thames crossing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...eporting-story

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/dartford...ounced-123843/

Option C is no preffered:




It will still take years of planning before anything will actually happen (if ever)
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Old April 12th, 2017, 08:22 PM   #4397
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Last stretch of M8 in Scotland is going to open soon:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-39577881

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The Welsh Government has now put up a couple of flythroughs for this:





Should go with the Blue option and extend the M56


They also need to have a motorway link from Shotwick Junction to the M53 at Hooton
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Old April 13th, 2017, 04:02 PM   #4399
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There seems to be some decision about new lower Thames crossing:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...eporting-story

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/dartford...ounced-123843/

Option C is no preffered:




It will still take years of planning before anything will actually happen (if ever)



Option C is obviously the best option, will it be dual 4 lane M2 though?


Definitely needs to be a motorway!
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Old April 13th, 2017, 06:12 PM   #4400
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It definitely won't be dual four lane motorway. The current assumption is two lane all purpose, with the tunnel bores wide enough for future upgrade to three lanes per bore, though they will now reconsider whether some or all should be built as dual three lane. This is clearly necessary given projected volumes of 84,000 AADT in opening year (2025) and 96,000 by 2041.

The preferred option is as below. Note that the route south of the river has changed compared to the consultation option in the previous post.



And more detail for the A13 interchange:

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