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Old December 8th, 2008, 07:46 PM   #541
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Some pictures I took on Saturday, during a trip from Bristol to Congleton in Cheshire. We took the M5 to Birmingham and then the M6 to the Stoke-on-Trent junction.

Driving over the West Midlands flyover on the M5, this is the last junction before the M6. A41. Destinations West Bromwich and North West Birmingham
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Old December 8th, 2008, 08:45 PM   #542
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Actually the M74 is the number applied to the junctions 12-13 section. See here and here. I am trying to remember where most of the pictures of the signs that were erected had already been prepared to be converted to M6 and not A74 (M), however I've found a couple at CBRD.
OK, fair enough. However, given that most people confuse Ax(M) with Mx anyway, the 74 can be considered one number.

I see the M6/74 problem as no worse than the French A6/A7 one. As the 74 was built from Motherwell, and the M6 from Preston to meet in the middle (extending the other way as well), with no initial plan to join them up, then it's exactly the same as the road to Lyon built from Paris and the road to Lyon built from Marseilles having different numbers and meeting at a point in central Lyon.

It's also no different to lots of other motorways all over Europe changing number at a border.

The M60 put people off large scale renumberings, which the A74(M) would be.

That it's in Scotland, with a party wanting to keep Scotland Scottish in power, I really can't see it changing.
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Old December 16th, 2008, 04:54 PM   #543
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Can somebody post me a picture from Speed Limits in UK? Are different Speed Limits there?
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Old December 16th, 2008, 05:40 PM   #544
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Can somebody post me a picture from Speed Limits in UK? Are different Speed Limits there?
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_i...ingdom#Driving.
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Old December 17th, 2008, 05:29 PM   #545
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Can somebody post me a picture from Speed Limits in UK? Are different Speed Limits there?
I think that you want one that they snow at the border, but the UK Mdoesn't (to my knowlege) post those signs.
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Old December 17th, 2008, 09:55 PM   #546
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You're right, the UK doesn't have any border speed limit signs as it only has one land border with Ireland. The border there isn't signposted in any way or form due to the troubles so the only way to tell you've crossed the border is that the road surface changes!
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Old December 17th, 2008, 09:58 PM   #547
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M1 needs widening on most of its length

I am on it from time to time and traffic there is really bad... Thank God, they built 3 lanes already in 50s and 60s !
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Old December 17th, 2008, 10:24 PM   #548
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You're right, the UK doesn't have any border speed limit signs as it only has one land border with Ireland. The border there isn't signposted in any way or form due to the troubles so the only way to tell you've crossed the border is that the road surface changes!
Denmark and Sweden sign it a bit outside the ferry terminal in Helsingborg/Helsingör, no land border needed!
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Old December 17th, 2008, 10:45 PM   #549
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You're right, the UK doesn't have any border speed limit signs as it only has one land border with Ireland. The border there isn't signposted in any way or form due to the troubles so the only way to tell you've crossed the border is that the road surface changes!
and the road markings change, and there's a speed limit sign, as RoI uses km/h, NI uses mph. There are border speed limit signs at Dover and one guesses other international ferry terminals too. The Dover ones are on the A2 and A20 outside the port, whereas Portsmouth, IIRC has it's inside the port.
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M1 needs widening on most of its length
What it needs is another motorway bypassing it, with some bits of widening.
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Old December 18th, 2008, 11:53 AM   #550
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Something like in Portugal where A1 is doubled by A8 ?
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Old December 19th, 2008, 05:23 PM   #551
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yes, or in the UK the M1 and M40 - they serve slightly different functions, but before the M40 was finished, the M1 did the M40's function.
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Old December 20th, 2008, 01:49 PM   #552
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Maybe A1(M) should upgraded more to motorway standard, and widened too. It's kina parallel to M1
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Old December 20th, 2008, 04:20 PM   #553
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the problem with the A1 is that it goes through a lot of empty space, and also is quite costly to upgrade. What would be better is a new motorway following the A6 to Leicester, then round the east side of Leicester and Nottingham before going north to Doncaster. That way it can serve the East Midlands cities as well. The A1 could serve Doncaster, Leeds and northwards - not much of the M1. Seeing as a lot of the problem is more regional traffic, the A38, the A614, A46 and other such routes would be better for the M1 to be motorways. The A1 is fine to serve Grantham and Newark. A motorway link to Lincoln from South Yorkshire is probably needed, but the A1 doesn't cover that.
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Old December 20th, 2008, 05:46 PM   #554
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UK needs new motorways, or even decent A roads, if there is too much opposition to motorways.

It's bad that Manchester and Sheffield are connected by curvy, narrow road which is jammed, well at least when I was going there
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Old December 21st, 2008, 04:19 PM   #555
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Anyone have a motorway map of the UK? I've always found it hard to tell which roads are motorways and which ones are not on uk maps.
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Old December 21st, 2008, 04:40 PM   #556
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Anyone have a motorway map of the UK? I've always found it hard to tell which roads are motorways and which ones are not on uk maps.
Using standard UK map colouring:

Motorway = blue
A road = green (important) or red (less important)
B road = yellow
Minor road = white

A roads in the UK can be duel carriageway with almost motorway like standards, or they can be 1x1 lane roads. On an AA map of the UK, duel carriageway sections of A road are shown with a thicker outer line (or an extra line down the middle depending on the year published).

You can get a pretty good impression of motorway coverage from maps.google.com or another site like that by using this key.
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Old December 21st, 2008, 09:03 PM   #558
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duel carriageway
I wonder what fatality record this road has?

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A roads in the UK can be duel carriageway with almost motorway like standards, or they can be 1x1 lane roads.
Dual carriageways can be motorway-like. But they don't have to be. Their standard varies a lot and stringent grade-separated roads are rather rare.
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I wonder what fatality record this road has?


Dual carriageways can be motorway-like. But they don't have to be. Their standard varies a lot and stringent grade-separated roads are rather rare.
In the UK there is a set standard for duel carriageway roads (as far as I recall from our convoluted official road discriptions). Our network of duel carriageways (or high quality A roads) is far more extensive than our motorway network. For example, whilst my home town (Northampton) only seems to have one motorway nearby, it has an extensive network of fully grade separated duel carriageways with a hard shoulder (such as the A45/A508 Northampton Ring Road which is 3+3 lanes for significant sections). There are, of course, less well characterised duel carriageways still with a high speed limit such as the A43 which has high capacity roundabouts on it whilst still posting a speed limit of greater than 50mph.

Like I said anyway, duel carriageways with almost motorway like standards do exist throughout the country in great numbers and whilst some don't conform to high standard motorways (as seen on the Bundesstraßen in Germany) a good number can. Either way they're high quality and often high capacity.
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Old December 22nd, 2008, 12:13 AM   #560
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How are the A roads in Wales?
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