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Old April 26th, 2009, 02:21 PM   #661
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You mean this house?
Yeah, it's on M62

M62 in general is very sceneic motorway.... 2X3 or 2X4 in mountains
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Old April 26th, 2009, 04:14 PM   #662
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That's what UK network should look like
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Old April 26th, 2009, 06:21 PM   #663
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It's possible that the M10 was kept over the years after it was built in preparation for the ringways. Looking at the route for Ringway 4 across the North, the M10 would have formed a direct link from Ringway 4 counterclockwise to M1, so it would have not just been a spur into St Albans. Though obviously this wasn't the original intention when the M10 was first built.
When was it a spur into St Albans?

It's function under Ringway 4 plans was pretty much the same as when it was built (get traffic onto the Orbital Road to disperse traffic when it reached London). It's function post-M25 lessened, though it was (and still is) a handy shortcut avoiding the M1/M25 junction.

Also bare in mind that ringway 4 between the M40 and A1 is pretty much 'as it was going to be' - it wasn't to be a motorway. In fact, the M10 would have been better as a corner cutting link, via the A6, to Ringway 3 at South Mimms - a route which was upgraded, with some grade-seperation, and some provision for flyovers/underpasses.
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Old May 9th, 2009, 10:51 PM   #664
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Are there traffic counts of motorways available online? Can't find them yet
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Old May 10th, 2009, 12:33 AM   #665
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Last time I was on the M2 (probably in 1990), it was just 2 lanes!!!!

In 1990? So you are probably a granfather now.
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Old May 10th, 2009, 12:41 AM   #666
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Are there traffic counts of motorways available online? Can't find them yet
The transport website is rubbish. Could find any traffic counts.
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/statistics/
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Old May 10th, 2009, 12:56 AM   #667
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That's what UK network should look like
no - Penzance doesn't need a motorway. Having the M54 round the north of Shrewsbury - are the ABD completely nuts, or have they not looked at a map, which would show them a decent DC round the south that they could upgrade for a couple of bridges, some traffic orders, new signage and some hard shoulders?

There's some good ideas there, there are also some shockingly bad ones (a motorway through Central Bradford and skirting the edge of the Yorkshire Dales NP - great line on the map there, crap route) and some omissions (eg upgrading the A50 between M1 and M6 - they have the A12, A42, A34 and A14 there, but decide to end their M17

Does the numbering of the Aberdeen Motorway as M85 date this to a long time ago? The A90 extension (basically renumbering parts of the A85, A94, A93x and A92 while also upgrading the road to a near-expressway) was early-mid 90s IIRC. Therefore it's little surprise to see several schemes that don't really follow todays reality, or are joining up current (for those times) road construction (M10, to some extent). They need to update their proposals, maybe also come up with a more realistic and targeted plan that would give maximum effect for little money, rather than blue lines everywhere.
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Old May 10th, 2009, 01:03 AM   #668
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Does anyone think that in the future, the UK will go on another big motorway building splurge, like in the 50's, 60's and 80's? Don't get me wrong, the network isn't bad, but there are plenty of places where they need to connect the dots.

The first new motorway I'd build would be an upgrade/new build of the A1 to full motorway standard, all the way from London to Edinburgh.
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Old May 10th, 2009, 10:48 AM   #669
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I think they should upgrade some dual carriageways to motorways, that way you don't need to build new routes.
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Old May 10th, 2009, 03:32 PM   #670
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I think they should upgrade some dual carriageways to motorways, that way you don't need to build new routes.
Not much point, they are the same mostly, some don't have shoulders, they have a 70 speed limit...
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Old May 10th, 2009, 03:36 PM   #671
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why is there not even a dual carriageway connection to Norwich & East Anglia?
I don't know, i guess that there isn't demand and the towns have dual carridgeway bypasses on the A11 & the A47 so it's not that bad really.
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Old May 10th, 2009, 03:43 PM   #672
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I think they should upgrade some dual carriageways to motorways, that way you don't need to build new routes.
bear in mind that to upgrade a D2 to D3M with local access road costs more than building a new D3M route.

I'd far prefer a few new routes, with minor-moderate upgrades to the fairly decent D2 routes. This gives both flexibility and more capacity.

Also the D2 routes are very hard to upgrade in places (eg A34 Botley, A1 south of Peterborough - a route that shouldn't be upgraded much anyway, due to the problems with widening the Herts A1(M), A50/A500 Stoke).

Also the A1 south of Doncaster (and north of Peterborough) doesn't really serve anywhere important - you'd want to go either slightly east to serve Lincoln, or quite a bit west to serve the 'back' of Leicester and Nottingham. It's the same problem with HSL and the ECML corridor - why not serve Nottingham and Sheffield with such a line, rather than Newark and Grantham?
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Old June 19th, 2009, 12:31 AM   #673
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One good thing about the British motorway network is they tend to avoid having an exit soon after an entry, which causes a lot of weaving. I don't like how on some Autobahns and other continental motorways they have cloverleaf junctions where you have to enter a fast moving and often narrow motorway in a short distance when people around you are moving into your lane. We have some set distance for this hence the quite confusing but effective arrangement between J15-16 on the M5. Traffic changing motorways leaves the main motorway to join a parallel shared sliproad where they can swap lanes with traffic entering from J16 away from through traffic, although there is plenty of traffic going from J16-15. This all seems a mess but is the best solution to the unfortunate proximity of the junctions and much better than the probably suggested massive roundabout solution (all traffic changing between M4,M5 and A38 conflicting). Also we tend to have quite long sliproads and usually make sure there is a hard shoulder at the end incase entering traffic gets blocked by inconsiderate drivers.
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Old June 25th, 2009, 12:16 PM   #674
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Having the M54 round the north of Shrewsbury - are the ABD completely nuts, or have they not looked at a map, which would show them a decent DC round the south that they could upgrade for a couple of bridges, some traffic orders, new signage and some hard shoulders?
Yes that doesn't make any sense, the DC to the south is a good wide road with plenty of room for shoulders. I don't think it will be made into a motorway though any time soon, it's a relatively new road and the expense of building bridges over all the roundabouts couldn't really be justified with the current traffic levels. In fact the A5 from Shrewsbury to Telford is a better road than the M54 it becomes after Telford imo, it's very straight and fast with a better surface than the motorway.

Upgrading at least stretches of the A49 Warrington-Cardiff into dual carriageway would be good though, traffic levels are not massive but the road is a pain in the ass if you get stuck behind a truck, nowhere to overtake.
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Old June 26th, 2009, 01:22 AM   #675
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We complain about our roads a lot but we have one of the safest networks in the world, maybe we are just very good drivers?

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UK road deaths reach record low

The number of road deaths has fallen despite safety concerns about A-roads

The number of people killed on UK roads has reached a record low, according to government statistics.

There were 2,538 people killed on Britain's roads in 2008, which is the lowest annual total since records began in 1926.

That is 14% down on the 2007 figure. The highest recorded post-war annual total was nearly 8,000 in 1966.

The drop came despite half of Britain's A-roads failing to be rated as safe in a European survey.

European road assessment programme (Euro-RAP) experts found 58% of A-roads it assessed were either neutral for safety or poor.

Department for Transport statistics, based on casualties in accidents reported to police, showed that 28,567 people were killed or seriously injured last year.

It means the government has hit its target of reducing by 40% the number of people killed or seriously injured on the roads by 2010, compared with the mid-1990s average.

Transport Secretary Lord Adonis said: "Every death on the roads is a terrible tragedy, but these figures show that every day last year one less person died on the roads than in 2007 and that Britain now jointly has the safest roads of any major nation in the world.

"While this news is encouraging, seven people are still dying on the roads every day and we will continue to do everything we can to prevent these tragedies."

The AA's head of road safety, Andrew Howard, said: "Even taking into account the almost 1% drop in traffic due to high fuel prices and recession, these figures are an excellent step in the right direction.
Graphic of world road deaths

"If this trend continues the UK will soon restore its position as one of the safest countries in the world."

He added that much needed to be done to cut casualties among groups such as youngsters and drink or drug drivers.

Shadow transport secretary Theresa Villiers welcomed the figures.

However, she said government plans to reduce speed limits from 30mph to 20mph in urban areas with high accident rates, and from 60mph to 50mph on problem rural roads, were not the way forward.

"The government must be careful not to turn back this progress with one-size-fits-all measures that hit all motorists indiscriminately, like a blanket reduction of the speed limit," she said.

Instead, she called for campaigns to target motorists without tax or insurance and novice drivers who are more likely to be involved in accidents.

Last month, the RAC Foundation said the UK's road safety record could be improved further through the establishment of a road accident investigation body.

It said studying why accidents happened could help drive improvements in policy, and road or vehicle design. Ministers are proposing an expert panel be set up to study fatal accident patterns.

The Campaign for Safe Road Design also claims 10,000 deaths or serious injuries could be prevented over 10 years by using better signs, lines and kerbs.

Statistics show the total number of casualties, which includes deaths and both serious and slight injuries, stood at just under 231,000 in 2008 - also 7% down on the previous year.

Despite the overall falls, 124 children were killed on the roads last year - three more than 2007's record low figure in this category. The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents described this as "unacceptable".

The number of casualties among cyclists also rose 1%, although there were 15% fewer deaths at 115.

Some 572 pedestrians died, down 11%, while 493 motorcyclists were killed, down 16%.

Peter Rodger, from the Institute of Advanced Motorists, said improvements in both car safety technology and road design had helped drive casualty figures down.

"There's also been a lot of talk about the need for driver improvement which makes people more conscious about the way they drive," he said.

"The main message is how can we keep things going in that direction."

The Department for Transport is currently consulting road users, emergency services, local authorities and interest groups on a new strategy aimed at making UK roads the world's safest.
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We complain about our roads a lot but we have one of the safest networks in the world, maybe we are just very good drivers?
Or ye are always gridlocked, one of the two
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Old June 26th, 2009, 10:56 PM   #677
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"Sorry we're late. I couldn't find the freeway. Had to take a little back road called the M5"

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Old June 27th, 2009, 12:46 AM   #678
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I remember that bit ! American guy expecting probably 20 lanes freeway or something, instead he got 'poor' 2x3 probably
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Old June 27th, 2009, 12:50 AM   #679
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Yeah, like 20 lanes is common in the US... Not really. Anything above 10 lanes can be considered rare in the U.S. imo. There are quite a few spots, but the country is big.
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Yeah, like 20 lanes is common in the US... Not really. Anything above 10 lanes can be considered rare in the U.S. imo. There are quite a few spots, but the country is big.
If you take into consideraiton the thousands of miles of rural motorways in the US, which are mostly 2 lanes in each direction, you could say that even more than three lanes in eac direction is relativly rare.
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