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Old October 13th, 2009, 02:09 AM   #821
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I don't think anybody in this thread has ever said that it is difficult to convert to miles.
I could never use km...
they confuse me and i dnt even get how long 1 is compared to a mile. and its the same for most people in the UK all we know is that they are smaller than a mile...
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Old October 13th, 2009, 02:13 AM   #822
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Again, I don't have much of a gripe with your points. We all know the overall trend, globally, is towards metrication. But, as I've said before, the arguments for change in the UK are simply not strong enough to justify the upheaval and expense of a change. (In Ireland, a country of 4 million (?) people, I can understand there being a greater incentive to adhering to the international norm, but in the UK it's not quite as pressing.)

Tellingly, the three people to have recently been critical of the UK's approach on this thread have been an Irishman, a Lithuanian and an Aussie...
A phased introduction to the metric system?

Britain can't insist on MPH speedometers for much longer.

I am not originally from ireland btw, I'm Canadian. But it confuses me anytime I drive to england to see the speed limits in something that isn't even on my speedometer! Cars imported to non-UK countries have km/h only speedometers. I always hope I'm never exceeding the speed limit when I drive in Britain.
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Old October 13th, 2009, 02:23 AM   #823
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What is the general attitude of the Irish towards this switch? Were there a lot of people that complained about it? Were there more accidents as the result of it? Are there any people that want to switch back?

Very few prefer to change back to the imperial system now. Older people still use miles when giving me directions but the younger people always use Kilometres.
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Old October 13th, 2009, 10:38 AM   #824
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The residents of the UK do not consider themselves in anyway disadvantaged by the use of miles, and nor do they consider the system antiquated.

And you speak for all of us here in the UK? I happened to find usage of the imperial system a disadvantage. Its created many trade obstacles for me in recent times. But one good reason is for road safety: Bridge strikes occur nearly every week in the UK because the heights are in Yds. Foreign drivers who never encountered these units in their lives can't be held totally liable just because the council and government refused to include height measurement in metres.

The changeover cost would be minimal if councils simply overlayed the existing speed limit signs and distance gantries.
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Old October 13th, 2009, 10:55 AM   #825
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And you speak for all of us here in the UK?
Of course not - and I'm sorry if it sounded as if I was trying to. There are many arguments for and against, some of which you explain above and I can see where you are coming from. But like I said, those such as yourself will need to form a majority (or, at least, a sizable minority) before the issue of metrication rises once again up the political agenda.

It's not so much that the UK is a nation of those steadfastly for or firmly against metrication. We're a nation of possibly 5% who are hugely in favour, 5% who are hugely against and 90% who are happy as they are and really couldn't care either way...but who would crucially have to be persuaded that the benefits of metrication would outweigh the costs. And no one seems to want to take that task on at the moment. Even the EU gave up on that one a couple of years ago...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6988521.stm

[Apologies to Pansori and Bleetz, by the way. This thread has taken a bit of a diversion...and I guess I'm partly to blame.]
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Old October 13th, 2009, 11:02 AM   #826
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[Apologies to Pansori and Bleetz, by the way. This thread has taken a bit of a diversion...and I guess I'm partly to blame.]
Me too, actually, since I was the one who brought up the whole Imperial/metric issue. Anyway, thanks for the pictures Pansori, I really enjoyed them.
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Old October 13th, 2009, 06:22 PM   #827
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OK, just to clear a few things up.

1) The metric system is not more accurate than the imperial system. It's a far better system because it's base 10 but it isn't any more accurate.

2) Height restriction signs in the UK (as well as width restrictions) are signed in both metres and yard with the metric bit first, so the foreign lorries hitting bridges thing is just not true.





3) I don't see the problem with us using the imperial system on our roads. The majority of people that live in this country or more than happy with the current mix of systems and get along fine with it.


There just isn't any benefit to us changing. Sure it would be nice, and I'd like us to be metric too, but realistically speaking, it's a big waste of money. For the millions it would cost to change all the road signs I'd rather pay less tax or that money go to schools and hospitals.
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Old October 13th, 2009, 10:46 PM   #828
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Would you agree to it if EU funded it?
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Old October 13th, 2009, 11:31 PM   #829
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2) Height restriction signs in the UK (as well as width restrictions) are signed in both metres and yard with the metric bit first, so the foreign lorries hitting bridges thing is just not true.



Are you sure about that?


http://www.ukma.org.uk/press/release...view.aspx?ID=8

...Although the low clearance is signposted, the signs show only imperial units...


If you look here, the photos clearly show imperial-only units on the height signs:
http://www.expressandstar.com/2008/0...l-after-crash/
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Old October 14th, 2009, 01:07 AM   #830
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I guess it won't happen unless the old good EU will take action like with the old-fashion light bulbs and weighting units in shops. London loves getting spanked by Brussels
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Old October 14th, 2009, 02:30 AM   #831
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I was thinking, why not, in true British style, introduce bi-measurement signs. So long as it's clear which measurement is which, it'd could work. Then, new UK cars can have metric-dominant speedometres.

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^ but then all the speed limits would have to change aswell. know longer 70mph for motorways...

There really isnt any point in changing to KM...
How would we benefit? I think its good that most people in the UK know both systems.
People in France and the USA only know one or the other...
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I was thinking, why not, in true British style, introduce bi-measurement signs. So long as it's clear which measurement is which, it'd could work. Then, new UK cars can have metric-dominant speedometres.
I like this idea. Then after a decade or two when people are used to it, the Imperial units can start being phased out.
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Old October 14th, 2009, 11:06 AM   #834
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I think its good that most people in the UK know both systems.
People in France and the USA only know one or the other...
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I could never use km...
they confuse me and i dnt even get how long 1 is compared to a mile. and its the same for most people in the UK all we know is that they are smaller than a mile...
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Old October 14th, 2009, 05:26 PM   #835
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Crossing in British Columbia from Montana (and surely at other places!) there's a sign that says, "Think metric. 100kpm=60mph" or something like that. Mega math whizzes might even realize that they can convert kilometers to miles by dividing by ten and multiplying by six.

What would really be hilarious would be to post the metric speed limits as actual mph equivalents, e.g. 112=70mph.
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Old October 15th, 2009, 01:26 AM   #836
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I was thinking, why not, in true British style, introduce bi-measurement signs. So long as it's clear which measurement is which, it'd could work
I don't think this is much help. One or other system has to be the legal limit and the other for information only. If Km were for information only then this wouldn't tell people anything their speedometers weren't already telling them and if MPH was for information only then the letter writers in the Daily Telegraph would be entirely opposed to it. Either way it would cost more money.
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Old October 15th, 2009, 02:33 AM   #837
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Some pictures from Scottish Highlands:
Island of Sky




Going down to one lane road, still on Sky


Around Fort William


I love such roads, almost like a roller coaster. This one is in Glen Nevis.










Wild, wild west. "Cattle grid".


A82 going towards Glencoe


A82 again, this time around Loch Ness. Please don't look for the monster
Doesn't it look like in Oregon?
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Old October 15th, 2009, 02:41 AM   #838
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Great! It would be fun to drive there (not too much though... I'd get a headache after a couple of hours ).
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Old October 16th, 2009, 07:42 PM   #839
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Would you agree to it if EU funded it?
Yes, I would, but I still think it would be a waste of money on the EU would be better spending the billions elsewhere!
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Nice photos, geogregor! Thanks.
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