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Old November 17th, 2009, 06:56 PM   #861
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Well... in regard of the above posts about measurement conversion in UK, it would be good. Even better would be if they switched to drive on the right! Denmark, Sweden and other countries did the move before WW2. Would Britons even consider a switchover to the right?

I know it would be difficult, as it is for me when I occasionaly put my car in a train in the tunnel then have to be overly atentitous when getting it on the road on the other side. Urban areas are even more treacherous, especially the roundabouts.
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Old November 17th, 2009, 07:45 PM   #862
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No, we will never switch sides.

It's a massive waste of money, dangerous and pointless.

The only country we have a land border with also drives on the same side as us, so there's no reason at all.

Besides, why is driving on the right the 'correct' way? Why shouldn't the rest of the world drive on the left?
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Old November 17th, 2009, 08:28 PM   #863
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Well, out of curiosity, some dates of hand-drive switch from left to right:

Portugal - 1928
Panama - 1943
Argentina - 1948
Myanmar - 1970
Sweden - 1967
Iceland - 1968
South Korea - 1946

By the way, it's kind of weird drive a left-hand car in a left-hand side lane (a continental car in UK). You drive far from the center lane and very close to the curside. On busy 2-lane roads, at high speed, this can frighten the driver first time.

Also, beams do not work properly at night, they illuminate more the curbside than the kerbside.
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Old November 17th, 2009, 08:39 PM   #864
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Well... in regard of the above posts about measurement conversion in UK, it would be good. Even better would be if they switched to drive on the right! Denmark, Sweden and other countries did the move before WW2. Would Britons even consider a switchover to the right?

I know it would be difficult, as it is for me when I occasionaly put my car in a train in the tunnel then have to be overly atentitous when getting it on the road on the other side. Urban areas are even more treacherous, especially the roundabouts.
The distance units may well change but as for switching sides, on yer bike bonny lad!
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Old November 17th, 2009, 08:46 PM   #865
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Well, out of curiosity, some dates of hand-drive switch from left to right:

Portugal - 1928
Panama - 1943
Argentina - 1948
Myanmar - 1970
Sweden - 1967
Iceland - 1968
South Korea - 1946

By the way, it's kind of weird drive a left-hand car in a left-hand side lane (a continental car in UK). You drive far from the center lane and very close to the curside. On busy 2-lane roads, at high speed, this can frighten the driver first time.

Also, beams do not work properly at night, they illuminate more the curbside than the kerbside.
And the common denominator in all those countries is a distinct lack of roads and motorised vehicles at the time of switching.

The beam of the headlights is supposed to point towards the kerb in the UK so as not to dazzle/blind oncoming traffic. Its the same if you drive on the wrong side in Europe. Hence the reason when we take our cars over there we have to realign our headlights to the right or fix deflectors on them. Maybe you should do the same when you drive on the correct side.
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Old November 17th, 2009, 09:09 PM   #866
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Besides, why is driving on the right the 'correct' way? Why shouldn't the rest of the world drive on the left?

Here's a shot in the dark, not based on actual scientific research, but just a thought.

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Most people are right handed. It's easier to drive stick with your right hand than your left hand.
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Old November 17th, 2009, 09:14 PM   #867
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Here's a shot in the dark, not based on actual scientific research, but just a thought.

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Most people are right handed. It's easier to drive stick with your right hand than your left hand.
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Its also easier to control (steering wheel) with your right hand and change gear with your left.
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Old November 17th, 2009, 09:15 PM   #868
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This may sound harsh but anyone coming from the continent by car does so knowing we drive on the left so there really is no excuse regarding headlights or concerns with driving on the left. If someone is not confident enough to drive on the left, then they shouldn't!
If I drive to Northern France I switch sides in my right hand drive car and pay extra attention. Soon it becomes natural.
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Old November 17th, 2009, 09:19 PM   #869
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Its also easier to control (steering wheel) with your right hand and change gear with your left.
I've always thought the same...I think we actually have it best on the left for this reason! One the of the reasons I'm glad every car is an auto when i drive in North America
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Old November 17th, 2009, 11:53 PM   #870
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Well, out of curiosity, some dates of hand-drive switch from left to right:

Portugal - 1928
Panama - 1943
Argentina - 1948
Myanmar - 1970
Sweden - 1967
Iceland - 1968
South Korea - 1946
Samoa - 2009

EDIT: oops, that was the other way around
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Old November 18th, 2009, 05:38 AM   #871
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Driving on the left originates from old jousting matches that used to happed. It means your right hand is in control...(leaves your left for the gears)
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Old November 18th, 2009, 01:31 PM   #872
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I invite you to the small: lol: Photo-coverage from Belfast and further south towards Dublin start from A2 (Belfast Road):



Before the airport City Airport 3 lane ends


At the moment we enter the M3 motorway


Leaving on the A12 Westlink and .... : ohno: road lights !


Unfortunate for the A12 road lights is like the beginning of the M1 motorway, it is routed in deep and collision




The newer part with the A12 and 3 lanes: banana:



For a moment begin to M1 on the A12 motorway limit is 50mph or 80 km / h



M1



As soon as the exit end with 3 lanes



Recently exchanged on concrete, metal railings, which are high enough that it do not shine at night in the eyes



Leaving on the A1 in the direction of Dublin



A1 can it go after about 70 mph but it is much one level crossings and entries into the possessions of farmlands, the happiness of intersections with traffic lights, no, there are several roundabouts.


This roundabout is so interesting that you can evade them seamlessly: nuts:




The greater part is no railing separating roadways and is the main route linking Belfast with Dublin: ohno:


Roundabout and the next. photo police in an unbranded Octavia Combi and Passat



Recently built 5 knots over the entire collision A1









Exchange surface





On renovated parts A1 are rails bariers



We reach the village Newry recent larger town before the border with Rep.. Irish road narrows to 1 lane because they are being built about 12 km ring road expressway Newry











We descend on the old Newry bypasses







: cheers: and it would be enough , next photos from the building of the bypass Newry and further in the direction of Dublin. Thank you for attention nice watching greet Gruby : cheers

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Old November 18th, 2009, 05:51 PM   #873
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Here's a shot in the dark, not based on actual scientific research, but just a thought.

[speculation]
Most people are right handed. It's easier to drive stick with your right hand than your left hand.
[/speculation]
All posts of this type simply go to show that people feel more comfortable with what they are used to. Managing to competently change gear with your left hand is something that most learners manage to accomplish by the time of their third or fourth driving lesson. In fact, when I drive in continental Europe, changing with my right hand feels decidedly unnatural at first. It tales an hour or two to get used to, and then I'm fine. I really don't think you'd get very far using it as an argument for switching to driving on the right!

I think it's fair to say that many people who post on these boards (and I count myself in this number) do have a slightly geeky side and, as geeks, we have a greater tendency than the general population to want to categorise and standardise things that do not need to be categorised or standardised. This is a good example. The benefits of switching to driving on the right would be so comprehensively dwarfed by the disadvantages that it does not warrant a serious discussion.
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Old November 18th, 2009, 08:45 PM   #874
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Zwolle: When you change gear on an RHD car you change it with your left hand, but you hold the steering wheel with you right hand, which is more important. If something comes up I'd rather miss a gear than crash so the Brits actually win on this one.

EDIT: quite a few people have beaten me to it.
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Oh and cool photos, GrubyNH. I've never been to that region before so nice to see what roads there look like.
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Old November 18th, 2009, 08:59 PM   #876
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All posts of this type simply go to show that people feel more comfortable with what they are used to. Managing to competently change gear with your left hand is something that most learners manage to accomplish by the time of their third or fourth driving lesson. In fact, when I drive in continental Europe, changing with my right hand feels decidedly unnatural at first. It tales an hour or two to get used to, and then I'm fine. I really don't think you'd get very far using it as an argument for switching to driving on the right!

I think it's fair to say that many people who post on these boards (and I count myself in this number) do have a slightly geeky side and, as geeks, we have a greater tendency than the general population to want to categorise and standardise things that do not need to be categorised or standardised. This is a good example. The benefits of switching to driving on the right would be so comprehensively dwarfed by the disadvantages that it does not warrant a serious discussion.
I agree - and at the last report, even the CHINESE have made no attempt even begin to try to 'flip' Hong Kong and Macau from LHD to RHD, even though they've been parts of China proper (a RHD country) for over ten years now. The change between LHD and RHD at the Hong Kong-Shenzhen interface is done with helix spirals on one of the approaches to the main bridge crossing between them.

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Old November 18th, 2009, 10:17 PM   #877
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Perhaps this has been posted before, a video of the M1 motorway in Britain before its opening 50 years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBPYchRPNAo
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Old November 19th, 2009, 07:35 PM   #878
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M1 go directly to London? Nice, interesting video btw
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Old November 19th, 2009, 08:37 PM   #879
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Yes, and ends on North Circular Road (A406)
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Old November 22nd, 2009, 03:58 AM   #880
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OK, time for few more pictures of Scottish roads. This time pictures taken by my cousin, mostly when I was driving

A82 approaching Glencoe


Few from A830 on the way to Mallaig








Somewhere


A87 on Isle of Sky




A855 on Isle of Sky


Pedestrians



Somewhere outside Perth, I love this country. I really do.


Jct. 11 on the outskirts of Perth M90 finishes, A90 begins


A90

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