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Old April 27th, 2010, 07:04 PM   #1061
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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:01 PM   #1062
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How big is the English motorway network?
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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:17 PM   #1063
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About 2,000 miles--but you really need to be using standard works of reference instead of asking the same question in each country thread, don't you think?
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Old April 27th, 2010, 10:40 PM   #1064
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It's quite a lot of motorways in England. In Scotland there is less motorways and Wales only have a few. The most important in Wales is M4.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 11:27 PM   #1065
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There are actually only three motorways in Wales. There's the M4, the obvious one. The other two are the M48 (the old M4 Severn Crossing) and the A48(M) which is a spur from the M4 into Cardiff.

You could argue there's one more 'motorway' in that the A55 near Colwyn is actually a 'special road', which is the UK legal status for a road to be a motorway. So this section of the A55 is legally a motorway in all but name. We call these 'secret motorways' and there are a few more in the UK.
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Old April 28th, 2010, 12:19 AM   #1066
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There are actually only three motorways in Wales. There's the M4, the obvious one. The other two are the M48 (the old M4 Severn Crossing) and the A48(M) which is a spur from the M4 into Cardiff.

You could argue there's one more 'motorway' in that the A55 near Colwyn is actually a 'special road', which is the UK legal status for a road to be a motorway. So this section of the A55 is legally a motorway in all but name. We call these 'secret motorways' and there are a few more in the UK.
That's right! And I think the old Severn Crossing at the M48 is more interesting than the new M4 Severn Crossing. The old bridge is more beautiful. And maybe I like the feeling of an old classic motorway built in 1960s. But the new bridge is very nice too. But I still think it's a little bit special feeling to use the motorways at the border between England and Wales over Severn. And I like to cross the borders at the motorway and see the signs change to bilingual signs. So I like the Welsh motorways.
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Old April 28th, 2010, 04:10 AM   #1067
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That's right! And I think the old Severn Crossing at the M48 is more interesting than the new M4 Severn Crossing. The old bridge is more beautiful. And maybe I like the feeling of an old classic motorway built in 1960s. But the new bridge is very nice too. But I still think it's a little bit special feeling to use the motorways at the border between England and Wales over Severn. And I like to cross the borders at the motorway and see the signs change to bilingual signs. So I like the Welsh motorways.
You don't come here often, do you? Although the M4 around Cardiff (where I live) westwards is good, I hate the Severn Crossing and the M4 to Cardiff, I resent paying to come back into my country (the cost of building the bridges was paid off a long time ago) and now there is a permanent 50mph limit from the Bridge all the way to the A48 (M) exit. I understand the need for it at peak times, but at 3am at a weekend to have to do 50mph is ridiculous.
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Old April 28th, 2010, 12:34 PM   #1068
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You don't come here often, do you? Although the M4 around Cardiff (where I live) westwards is good, I hate the Severn Crossing and the M4 to Cardiff, I resent paying to come back into my country (the cost of building the bridges was paid off a long time ago) and now there is a permanent 50mph limit from the Bridge all the way to the A48 (M) exit. I understand the need for it at peak times, but at 3am at a weekend to have to do 50mph is ridiculous.
Of cause I'm not using this motorways so often like you do. I'm not living there like you do. And maybe I find the charm with Severn Crossing because I'm not living there. And I can understand how you think about the paying. But I still like the Severn crossing.
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Old April 28th, 2010, 03:17 PM   #1069
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The thing with UK motorways is that they are pretty much all 6 lane motorways where as in most of europe you will have 4 lane motorways. In effect, the UK probably should get more motorway milage than it deserves because of more space possible for traffic. Mybe the 2 extra lane advantage gets taken into account when making these figures, I don't know.
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Old April 28th, 2010, 05:41 PM   #1070
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The thing with UK motorways is that they are pretty much all 6 lane motorways where as in most of europe you will have 4 lane motorways. In effect, the UK probably should get more motorway milage than it deserves because of more space possible for traffic. Mybe the 2 extra lane advantage gets taken into account when making these figures, I don't know.
And don't forget, as we've been talking about on this forum recently, if you count roads that are almost like Motorways(primary dual carriageways), the UK motorway network is much larger.
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Old April 29th, 2010, 03:50 AM   #1071
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And don't forget, as we've been talking about on this forum recently, if you count roads that are almost like Motorways(primary dual carriageways), the UK motorway network is much larger.
Yes there are many dual carriageways that are at 70mph (112 km/h) which in many European countries would be considered as motorway. UK has some of the best motorways in Europe.
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Old April 29th, 2010, 01:09 PM   #1072
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I noticed that on Google maps on the satellite map at the 100mile level shows an excellent view of the UK's motorway and primary dual carriageway/expressways network.

I tried to upload the map, but my account here doesn't allow me to post attachments. :-(

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Old April 29th, 2010, 02:29 PM   #1073
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Old April 29th, 2010, 05:12 PM   #1074
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Yes, anyone think that this is NOT a good representation of A more "accurate" map of the true freeway (Motorway and primary dual carriageway) network?

And to continue to harp on my theme... if only they would eliminate the roundabouts from this map above, this would be and excellent integrated network.
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Old April 29th, 2010, 05:15 PM   #1075
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The United Kingdom is the only country in Europe which uses roundabouts on motorway-like roads extensively. Other countries with significant networks of near-motorways (France, Germany, Poland, Spain, Italy) do not have a large number of roundabouts on such roads.
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Old April 29th, 2010, 07:58 PM   #1076
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Dundee comes to mind! lol
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Old April 29th, 2010, 08:04 PM   #1077
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Yes, anyone think that this is NOT a good representation of A more "accurate" map of the true freeway (Motorway and primary dual carriageway) network?
I do. Most of the green lines in this map represent roads that are neither grade-separated nor dualled.
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Old April 29th, 2010, 08:23 PM   #1078
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Old April 29th, 2010, 09:03 PM   #1079
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I do. Most of the green lines in this map represent roads that are neither grade-separated nor dualled.
You could be correct, can anyone confirm or deny this?

There are some obvious ones on this map that are duelled however.
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