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Old June 14th, 2010, 08:19 PM   #1161
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Most people say that about the signage in their own country. It's more interesting what outsiders think of signage in my opinion.
Assuming they're looking at it from the point of view of trying to find their way, as opposed to just reflexively comparing it to what they're used to at home....
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Old June 14th, 2010, 08:26 PM   #1162
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One thing I've noticed from the recent images of Google Street View is that the UK appears to have started "numbering" some of the junctions on it's trunk roads, as if they were motorways, as shown here on the A14 trunk road:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie...63.86,,2,-4.45

This must have been implemented fairly recently, i.e. over the last 7 years, as I do not remember it from when I lived in England (and I drove on the A14 a few times). The same seems to be the case with the A12 trunk road from the M25 to Ipswich (this stretch of road is pretty much motorway standard anyway). However, I can't find any other examples on other near-motorway trunk roads.

As for the comment on signage, I find the UK's signage to be pretty clear and easy to read, although many of the overhead gantries used are kind of ugly.

EDIT:

The A50 has junction numbering too (the famous route to Alton Towers!):

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie...300.04,,1,2.84
Last November, PBS (public television in the U.S.) showed a two-part series from British television called "Collision." Story line involves the investigation of a multi-vehicle accident and determining whether there was any criminality. Much of it was filmed on that road from London into Essex - is it the A12? - and I was surprised to see exit numbers.

A question, though (two, in fact):
(1) If it's an A-road at near-motorway standard - so motorwayish that the exits are numbered - what's preventing it from being called the A12(M)? rather than a primary route?
(2) A question I posed some time ago but which was unanswered: Do British people call roads like the A1(M) "Motorways" or something else, both in speaking with roadgeeks, or in conversation with normal people ( :-) )?
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Old June 14th, 2010, 10:16 PM   #1163
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Most people say that about the signage in their own country. It's more interesting what outsiders think of signage in my opinion.
Not really. The signs use a reasonable font and are usually a reasonable size. It may not be perfect, but if you go by the carping that goes on in this subforum, the UK's signs are by far the worst in Europe, which is far from the truth, in my humble opinion.
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Old June 14th, 2010, 11:59 PM   #1164
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Not really. The signs use a reasonable font and are usually a reasonable size. It may not be perfect, but if you go by the carping that goes on in this subforum, the UK's signs are by far the worst in Europe, which is far from the truth, in my humble opinion.
you are subjective. imo UK signs have ancient font, road numbers use the same font and background as places' names, those brackets are silly, simply - quite bad. i even find Austrian signs better than British
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Old June 15th, 2010, 12:00 AM   #1165
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Not really. The signs use a reasonable font and are usually a reasonable size. It may not be perfect, but if you go by the carping that goes on in this subforum, the UK's signs are by far the worst in Europe, which is far from the truth, in my humble opinion.
I was referring to motorway signage - gantries being the main culprit. UK gantries squeeze a lot of destinations together, often appearing cluttered at major junctions. Destintations are sometimes squeezed in like xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx. They could do with larger fonts with destinations more spaced apart.

As for UK signage in general - excellent. Without a doubt.
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Old June 15th, 2010, 12:32 AM   #1166
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Last November, PBS (public television in the U.S.) showed a two-part series from British television called "Collision." Story line involves the investigation of a multi-vehicle accident and determining whether there was any criminality.
Was it the one with the wasp?
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Old June 15th, 2010, 01:48 AM   #1167
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it's here
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Old June 15th, 2010, 02:51 AM   #1168
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you are subjective. imo UK signs have ancient font, road numbers use the same font and background as places' names, those brackets are silly, simply - quite bad. i even find Austrian signs better than British
Yeah, because British people just can't bear the idea that their road signs aren't the best in the world.

Sorry, but Tranport is a good font and I see no problem with using the same font for places and route numbers.

Apart from one or two niggles, there's really nothing wrong with the UK's signage system.
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Old June 15th, 2010, 02:58 AM   #1169
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British signage is perhaps not the best in world but I can't see what's wrong with it either. It's functional, easy to read, that's what matters.
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Old June 15th, 2010, 05:22 AM   #1170
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Last November, PBS (public television in the U.S.) showed a two-part series from British television called "Collision." Story line involves the investigation of a multi-vehicle accident and determining whether there was any criminality. Much of it was filmed on that road from London into Essex - is it the A12? - and I was surprised to see exit numbers.

A question, though (two, in fact):
(1) If it's an A-road at near-motorway standard - so motorwayish that the exits are numbered - what's preventing it from being called the A12(M)? rather than a primary route?
(2) A question I posed some time ago but which was unanswered: Do British people call roads like the A1(M) "Motorways" or something else, both in speaking with roadgeeks, or in conversation with normal people ( :-) )?
I haven't lived in (or been back to the UK) in quite a few years, but having driven on some of these 'near-motorways', I think the only real differences are 1) the lack of a hard shoulder and 2) more junctions. Having driven on the A14, I think it's an excellent highway. The UK has a lot of these "near-motorways" that basically do the same job as a motorway and could quite easily be upgraded to a full motorway, if the will and the need were there.
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Old June 15th, 2010, 05:26 AM   #1171
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I was referring to motorway signage - gantries being the main culprit. UK gantries squeeze a lot of destinations together, often appearing cluttered at major junctions. Destintations are sometimes squeezed in like xxx,xxx,xxx,xxx. They could do with larger fonts with destinations more spaced apart.

As for UK signage in general - excellent. Without a doubt.
I think the font size is actually perfect and very easy to read. Like I mentioned before, my only gripe would be that the overhead gantries are ugly and bulky looking (for the most part).
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Old June 15th, 2010, 05:28 AM   #1172
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On another note, I am trying to find the exact location of this pic taken of the M6, somewhere in Cheshire in 1969:



If anyone can figure out what junction this is, I'll buy you a virtual beer
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Old June 15th, 2010, 06:01 AM   #1173
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Was it the one with the wasp?
Yep.
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Old June 15th, 2010, 09:31 AM   #1175
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I think the font size is actually perfect and very easy to read. Like I mentioned before, my only gripe would be that the overhead gantries are ugly and bulky looking (for the most part).
True. Another issue may be the choice of control cities. It's sometimes too regional.
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Old June 15th, 2010, 12:18 PM   #1176
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True. Another issue may be the choice of control cities. It's sometimes too regional.
I'd say almost always too regional. A little more long distance signage on the motorway network would be a very good thing.
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Old June 15th, 2010, 12:25 PM   #1177
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Are they going to renumber all of the A3 to A3(M) when this is open?

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Are they going to renumber all of the A3 to A3(M) when this is open?
No, they won't. While some sections are built to motorway standard, such as this section in the outer London suburbs:

A3, Outer London

other sections like this one through Guildford

A3, Guildford, Surrey

are not. (I do like the Guildford section, however. It's a rare example of a UK trunk route that cuts through an urban area rather than bypassing it, as normally happens here.)
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Old June 15th, 2010, 01:56 PM   #1179
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you are subjective. imo UK signs have ancient font, road numbers use the same font and background as places' names, those brackets are silly, simply - quite bad. i even find Austrian signs better than British
I think the signs at the motorways in the UK are good. They looks like normal European signs. I think the worst signs at motorways here in Europe is the signs in Spain.
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Old June 21st, 2010, 09:47 PM   #1180
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My POV about the British Motorways;

The alignment is generally superior to that of any other motorway system in Europe. The roads are wide, built with six lanes from the late 1950's onwards, and have a very gentle alignment, few sections would really qualify as "substandard" compared to what you see on the mainland. The exit density is not very low, but also not very high, and the number of exits (junctions) in urban areas is lower compared to other European countries, which should improve traffic flow.

Traffic volumes are generally high, because large cities are never far apart for the most part of England. Some motorways have 100.000 + volumes for over 150 miles in a row, something that is unheard of in most of Europe. Traffic volumes, however, are not exceptionally high, the busiest section is M25 near Heathrow Airport at 210.000 vehicles per day. Not uncommon among other European cities, not to mention the United States or Canada.

The signage is generally okay. It looks kinda weird at first for a non-British national, but once you've seen more of it, it is certainly adequate. The signs are generally legible, with a good font, good colors and logical, albeit slightly regional choice of control cities. The British signage is also fairly consistent, you know what to expect. A slight downside are the massive gantries with a lot of sign-size differences, gray backgrounds, which are a bit monstrous. I'm also not really a fan of road numbers in plain text and 4-digit road numbers, but that's more personally.
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