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Old July 29th, 2010, 10:17 PM   #1301
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Sweden is larger than the UK areavise.
But Samoa, yes, it is smaller.
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Old July 29th, 2010, 10:26 PM   #1302
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You have been brainwashed by the right-driving fascists, at least American Samoa has seen the light and broken free of tyranny.
There's a reason we drive on the RIGHT side of the road.
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Old July 29th, 2010, 11:28 PM   #1303
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Sweden is larger than the UK areavise.
I think he was referring to Sweden being smaller as a nation.
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Old July 30th, 2010, 12:32 AM   #1304
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Generally, in UK English, the size of a country refers to population.

Anyway, this is the A316 a couple of kilometres before becoming the M3, and about a kilometre before leaving London.




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Old July 30th, 2010, 01:54 AM   #1305
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Near Feltham. I recognize this place. It,s some short distance from Apex Corner, isn't it? Anyway not far from it.
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Old July 30th, 2010, 03:18 PM   #1306
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Sweden is larger than the UK areavise.
But Samoa, yes, it is smaller.
It's smaller in terms of population, and road network length (I know size generally means size, but that's tautologous - anyway, when asked how big place x is, you tend to give a population IME). It's also a lot less dense, so junctions are further apart, so there was less to change. I'm surprised that Sweden is bigger, area-wise, actually - I know it has masses and masses where few people live, but I didn't realise it was bigger in terms of size.

The last place to change to driving on the right was the Falklands, but most people ignored the dictate from the invading army and when the islands were liberated a bit later, they reverted to driving on the left. IIRC Burma changed in the 70s, and that was really the last place to switch.
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There's a reason we drive on the RIGHT side of the road.
America changed over quite a bit after the revolution, when it expanded westwards (Louisiana?), mostly due to carriage sizes and so on that we never had on islands like Japan, UK, Indonesia, etc meaning that driving on the right made more sense what with the big whips for hitting your train of horses. Nothing to do with being different to the English (I'm surprised that the Irish don't drive on the right - they do all sorts of things to make them different - time wise, they are officially GMT+1 with winter time, and then there's the New World signs/road markings).

Of course, the British tyranny that lead America to demand independence is less oppressive than the government of either country now (which are among the most free countries in the world). America is a bit more free, because it still holds to the British values that lead to the English Civil War, the Glorious Revolution and the American war of Independence a bit more than those in the UK do. Was it Franklin or Jefferson, perhaps looking at the travesty of France (where the revolution basically just changed who was being authoritarian and failed, ditto the next one and the next and the...), who talked about working to keep the republic?

Anyway, this is very little to do with GB motorways.

Here's a question - if you could have one unfinished/unbuilt motorway built, which one would you have?
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Old July 30th, 2010, 03:57 PM   #1307
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Well, Sweden is bigger than the UK and Germany area - wise, but the population isn't, of course. I am not an expert, but it seems that the main 'mass' of roads in Sweden are developed in the southern part of the country (i.e. from Stockholm down to south, where the population density is the biggest). However, there is not big a problem, if the one wants to go up north, since the are motorways that way aswell, but there aren't much of them.

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Old July 30th, 2010, 04:04 PM   #1308
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Near Feltham. I recognize this place. It,s some short distance from Apex Corner, isn't it? Anyway not far from it.
Yes, about a kilometre in the direction of the second photo.
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Old July 30th, 2010, 06:51 PM   #1309
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It's smaller in terms of population, and road network length (I know size generally means size, but that's tautologous - anyway, when asked how big place x is, you tend to give a population IME). It's also a lot less dense, so junctions are further apart, so there was less to change. I'm surprised that Sweden is bigger, area-wise, actually - I know it has masses and masses where few people live, but I didn't realise it was bigger in terms of size.

The last place to change to driving on the right was the Falklands, but most people ignored the dictate from the invading army and when the islands were liberated a bit later, they reverted to driving on the left. IIRC Burma changed in the 70s, and that was really the last place to switch.America changed over quite a bit after the revolution, when it expanded westwards (Louisiana?), mostly due to carriage sizes and so on that we never had on islands like Japan, UK, Indonesia, etc meaning that driving on the right made more sense what with the big whips for hitting your train of horses. Nothing to do with being different to the English (I'm surprised that the Irish don't drive on the right - they do all sorts of things to make them different - time wise, they are officially GMT+1 with winter time, and then there's the New World signs/road markings).

Of course, the British tyranny that lead America to demand independence is less oppressive than the government of either country now (which are among the most free countries in the world). America is a bit more free, because it still holds to the British values that lead to the English Civil War, the Glorious Revolution and the American war of Independence a bit more than those in the UK do. Was it Franklin or Jefferson, perhaps looking at the travesty of France (where the revolution basically just changed who was being authoritarian and failed, ditto the next one and the next and the...), who talked about working to keep the republic?

Anyway, this is very little to do with GB motorways.

Here's a question - if you could have one unfinished/unbuilt motorway built, which one would you have?

Wait, Ireland's not on the same time as the UK?
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Old July 30th, 2010, 07:42 PM   #1310
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Wait, Ireland's not on the same time as the UK?
Yes, it is.
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Old July 30th, 2010, 09:00 PM   #1311
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de facto but not de jure - the times are indentical, but they work back to front - UK having summer time, RoI effectively having 'winter time'. They have different standard times.
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Old July 31st, 2010, 01:08 AM   #1312
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I've never heard any mention of the remotest desire to switch to the right among government or the population in Ireland. Despite the fact that many vehicles are sourced from the UK (especially used), it shares a land border with it - Northern Ireland.

The diamond signage may be new world in style but I don't see how the rod markings can be descriced s new world in style with the only resemblance being the use of yellow, albeit to mark the shoulder.
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Old July 31st, 2010, 07:59 PM   #1313
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But most Irish people consider the border to be wrong, but it is surprising that Ireland didn't change the side of the road in 1922.
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Old August 1st, 2010, 04:34 AM   #1314
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Old August 1st, 2010, 05:06 PM   #1315
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But most Irish people consider the border to be wrong, but it is surprising that Ireland didn't change the side of the road in 1922.
Not really. As they had a constitutional claim over the north, they were unlikely to make reunification more difficult rather than less. Since you've never needed a passport to go from north to south either, these days the border is really just a line on a map.
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Old August 2nd, 2010, 06:55 PM   #1316
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I'm back from a ten-day trip to northern Scotland. :-) I travelled about 2000 miles, from which about 1600 in Britain. This was actually my first experience in Britain. Landscapewise, i've seen the most beautiful places in my live, so far. But this may not be the correct forum to discus that.

Generally, British motorways seem to be in good condition. Okay, the pavement is not as smooth as dutch ZOAB (damn, I felt spoiled when I got back to the Netherlands), but they are definately comfortable. A-roads en local roads can be a little worse sometimes, but generally speaking they are OK.

Some other things:

- speed limits on motorways seem to be a bit low, whereas on other roads they seem to be suitable or sometimes even a bit too high imo.
- motto signs, they are everywhere, sometimes just a little too much...
- speed camera's, they seem to be everywhere as well, though I don't think as much as the warnings are showing...
- the politeness of the average British driver. Signalling (and waving) when they give you the right of way, keeping distance, getting into a passing place (on single-track roads) very early, etc.
- signage is ok, but sometimes a bit too chaotic. I really missed some good long-distance destinations on the signs.
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Old August 2nd, 2010, 08:57 PM   #1317
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what's a motto sign?
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Old August 2nd, 2010, 10:48 PM   #1318
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Signs with text messages like: "Keep your distance" or "don't text while driving" etc. Well generally, britain seem to use more text messages (and less symbols) than mainland europe.
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Those VMS messages tend to show stuff like that in Scotland. Elsewhere they don't show anything, except maybe traffic times, unless they need to say stuff warning of future closures and traffic situations ahead. I can't see how these signs can be anything other than text.

Perhaps mainland Europe gives a lot less detail on it's signs - AFAICS, the sign sets we use are pretty much the same, and European countries often use plates, like we do, to give further info.

Sorry you miss long distance destinations - Scotland is much better at them, but still, like the rest of the UK, navigation tends to be by number and regional destinations like "The NORTH" or whatever, with middle-distance and local destinations signed, but not far off ones. I'm guessing the chaotic signage was in Glasgow?

I'm also guessing that you took a ferry across the North Sea, skipping out the South of England, where the politeness of drivers is less.
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Old August 3rd, 2010, 12:06 AM   #1320
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Signs with text messages like: "Keep your distance" or "don't text while driving" etc. Well generally, britain seem to use more text messages (and less symbols) than mainland europe.
Maybe there is a little bit more text messages than other European countries. But I think the road signs in the UK looks very European. Most of the signs have the same standard like other European countries, except they are made for driving on the left side of the road.
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