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Old September 21st, 2010, 04:36 PM   #1581
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...in exchange for switching to driving on the right and using 'E' numbering and kilometers rather than miles to measure distances.
As long as the EU pays for the transition. Although it would probably bankrupt the EU. Come to think of it, that's not a bad idea at all.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 05:31 PM   #1582
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I was going to say that metricating (in the tens of billions ballpark), E numbers (next to nothing, given you'll be changing signs anyway), and changing to drive on right (in the hundreds of billions ballpark) would get us all the money we've dumped into that sinking ship over the years back, but Fatfield is much more succinct.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 06:52 PM   #1583
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Why on earth should EU fund an UNECE project?
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Old September 21st, 2010, 07:31 PM   #1584
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Indeed, it's not a EU project.

Anyway, I agree with full metrification, but not with changing the side of the road, I think that thats just pointless.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 08:01 PM   #1585
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Indeed, it's not a EU project.

Anyway, I agree with full metrification, but not with changing the side of the road, I think that thats just pointless.
Full metrication raises its head every so often on this forum...but never gets raised seriously in public debate. Not going to happen. Lots of cost, very little benefit. It would keep a few standardisation geeks happy, but I sense that most people are fairly happy with things as they are. Metrication is well down the national 'to do' list.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 08:30 PM   #1586
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I think metrication will be a slow progress. Many units are already in metric.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 09:08 PM   #1587
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Yes, Chris, I think that everyone in the UK knows that . On road signs only height and one give way in 100metre sign in Feltham are in metric. Motorway milestones are put every kilometre, but say x.y miles.

Harry, I understand that road sign metrification is down the "to-do" list, but that doens't mean that I don't want it to happen
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Old September 21st, 2010, 09:24 PM   #1588
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Motorway milestones are put every kilometre, but say x.y miles.
If you mean these small marker posts that also indicate the direction to the nearest emergency telephone, somehow they are in km. For example 1.1 means 1,100m from the start of the motorway etc.

When I first saw them in a British motorway, I was puzzled and asked my co-driver to check these markers with our car's km indicator (it was a continental car) and it was proved that this is the case.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 09:49 PM   #1589
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The thing is, pretty much everything in the UK is in metric, except most road signs.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 10:16 PM   #1590
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Only the dumb people who can't deal with two unit systems actually remotely think that full metrication is worth the cost. It's draft beer and road signs that are the only things allowed to officially be in imperial, but, because metric isn't inherently a better system for everything (especially not everyday stuff), people use imperial for other things.

I know that I was joking when I suggested that it was a good idea to get the EU to pay for pretty much forcing us to use our right hand as left-handedness is 'other' (metrication and switching sides). E routes (I know they aren't an EU thing) will cost not a great deal, and actually would be in some way useful.

Bankrupting the EU would also be fun, but I'd rather we got our money back on something worthwhile than what are basically vanity schemes for the cult of "we should all be the same" - some useful, but expensive to build (due to high construction costs) schemes (both motorway/expressway and rail/tram). Grand Central Station in Birmingham, High Speed Rail network, trams for Leeds, Liverpool and South Hants, South Coast expressway, A303 and A9 upgrades, M67, those kinds of things.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 10:42 PM   #1591
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I don't understand why we can't start metrification of road signage though.

They should make it so that when a new sign is erected or an old one replaced they just put both measurements on there. No extra cost and starts the process. Eventually, after a certain period of time, they'll ALL be in metric, and then you can just phase out imperial if need be.
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Old September 21st, 2010, 11:59 PM   #1592
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...but, because metric isn't inherently a better system for everything (especially not everyday stuff), people use imperial for other things.
Metric system is far better than any other for scientific (and school) purposes and indifferent for everyday use. So why not change? You have only to learn than a standard box of butter is 500 g, that a km is two third of a mile, and that's all. When I went to the USA I survived.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 01:00 AM   #1593
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But given metric is (at best) indifferent in this matter, why bother changing the signs, given it costs money? The only argument for changing road signs seem to be standardisation, which just seems plain illiberal - "we must be the same - no differences allowed".

I can convert - have no problem with using either system, though for some uses I prefer one system over the other, playing to their strengths.

Given you survived in the USA, that's just support for not changing - if you can survive the USA, then surely those from outside the UK can deal with different units for road signs, which is far less of a hassle than dealing with everything being in different units.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 01:20 AM   #1594
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I don't understand why we can't start metrification of road signage though.

They should make it so that when a new sign is erected or an old one replaced they just put both measurements on there. No extra cost and starts the process. Eventually, after a certain period of time, they'll ALL be in metric, and then you can just phase out imperial if need be.
Are you going to pay for it?

The British people don't want it and we certainly don't need it.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 01:34 AM   #1595
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The thing is, pretty much everything in the UK is in metric, except most road signs.
Really? Such as? All road signs are in Imperial.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 01:38 AM   #1596
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Even doing what havaska says will cost extra money - both measurements would need bigger signs, which cost more!
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 01:51 AM   #1597
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Really? Such as? All road signs are in Imperial.
Both Metric and Imperial is used for overhead clearances, while speed limits are in M.P.H only.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 12:36 PM   #1598
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Both Metric and Imperial is used for overhead clearances, while speed limits are in M.P.H only.
Aye, forgot about them. Then again, I never take much notice of them as they're largely irrelevant to me as I don't drive high sided vehicles.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 12:45 PM   #1599
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Aye, forgot about them. Then again, I never take much notice of them as they're largely irrelevant to me as I don't drive high sided vehicles.
I once drove in the Netherlands through a low tunnel: 3.4 m clearance. Of course this is no problem for a passenger car, but one guy forgot he had bicycles mounted on top of his car Luckily I left some distance.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 12:48 PM   #1600
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Even doing what havaska says will cost extra money - both measurements would need bigger signs, which cost more!
There was a feasibility report done some years ago by DfT about changing signs from Imperial to Metric. The jist of this was that it would cost at least £750m.

Knowing the way we go about things like this, it would take 12 years to implement, and cost about £5bn in the end.

And for our European viewers that's €879m & €5.9bn respectively.
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