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Old September 22nd, 2010, 08:47 PM   #1621
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You want to learn to read as you clearly don't have a clue what you're on about. Look further up the board. Post #1608 to be exact.


Now I realize you don't know the meaning of 'Soft drink'.... Go look it up.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 08:55 PM   #1622
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 08:56 PM   #1623
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M50 - yestarday about 10:00
Very nice pictures, however a bit too artistic.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 09:28 PM   #1624
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Too dark for being 10:00... or it's 22:00??? I believe it's the latter...
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 09:56 PM   #1625
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Very nice pictures, however a bit too artistic.
Yeah, but there is no way cos it`s really dark place and I didn`t want to take unclear picture.

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Old September 22nd, 2010, 10:04 PM   #1626
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On a pedantic note, it is not legal to sell bottled or canned beer in pints as the actual measure - while some brands are 568ml and can get away with mentioning 'pint' as part of the packaging, it is far more common for bottles & cans to be 500ml, 440ml or 330ml.

Milk I think is allowed to be sold in either litres or pints. Ironically draught beer has to be in pints (or half, third), i.e. it is illegal to sell a 500ml glass of beer - I guess this is to prevent deliberate under-selling, but can cause problems for e.g. some Belgian imports which have their own metric measured glasses.

Personally not too bothered either way in general but this would be my main gripe if it all went metric, inevitably pints of beer would be downsized to 500ml and without a corresponding price change. In the end the pint of milk & beer is probably too much of a cultural phenomenon, and it would be political suicide to change them.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 10:13 PM   #1627
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Actually, we don't. Draught, canned, bottled beer and milk comes in pints or multiples thereof. There are some milk and beer 'bottles' that are exactly 2l but not many.
Nope, only draft beer is sold in pints. Milk (which is a soft drink!) and other stuff is sold in ml, but often (normally in the case of milk) comes in multiples of 568ml, because, while illegal to sell it in pints, people want to sell it in pints and buy it in pints. The metric equivalent must also come first, and milk labels often have a big 1, 2, 4 or 6 on them, without units to get round the metric must be supreme rule. The effort to rid us of the pint hasn't worked - interestingly, pint bottles/cans of beer only really took off after selling it by the pint was banned (the only way to get Brits to metricate is to suppress other units).

You can get special dispensation to sell 500ml of draft beer or at least there are pubs that do
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Too dark for being 10:00... or it's 22:00??? I believe it's the latter...
We use the 12 hour clock and Imperial measures - because we don't use SI/metric, we live in the dark ages and it doesn't get light here at all! :P

Seriously, it's 2200 if you use a 24 hour clock, but that's not SI time, or metric time (the biggest unit failure ever? - Lobster Thermidor is the only remnant of it's existance and the French quickly changed it back) only seconds are SI. Given Highwaycrazy wants us to use only SI units, we have to give it as something like 63422078400 seconds CE (which is the time at 8pm/2000 tonight, using the common era as it's the easiest zero point to use).
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 10:19 PM   #1628
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Nope, oinly draft beer is sold in pints. Milk (which is a soft drink!) and other stuff is sold in ml, but comes in multiples of 568ml, because, while illegal to sell it in pints, people want to sell it in pints and buy it in pints. the effort to rid us of the pint hasn't worked - interestingly, pint bottles/cans of beer only really took off after selling it by the pint was banned (the only way to get Brits to metricate is to suppress other units).
Milk is sold in pint measures. There's no denying it.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 10:28 PM   #1629
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FFS - whatever your opinion is the fact is the majority of the British public prefer their pints and mph and would resist a move to kph, especially with its connotations (rightly or wrongly) as 'European'. Deal with it.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 11:26 PM   #1630
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Milk is sold in pint measures. There's no denying it.
It's (generally) sold in multiples of 568ml, not pints. This is because it's illegal to sell milk in pints, as I said, due to metrication failing unless you suppress other units by force of law. That 568ml is a pint is definitely not a coincidence, people want to buy pints of milk, and people want to sell milk to people in the units they want to buy it in. Clearly the stick to force people to use metric isn't big enough and the grand re-education project is stuttering.

Anyway, can we get back to motorways in the UK...

The M50 looks reasonably busy in those photos, but then it's the route from South Wales to the Midlands and North, so it's not going to be empty, even if it's not going to be rammed packed with traffic.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 11:47 PM   #1631
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Anyway, can we get back to motorways in the UK...

The M50 looks reasonably busy in those photos, but then it's the route from South Wales to the Midlands and North, so it's not going to be empty, even if it's not going to be rammed packed with traffic.
Please believe me I had to wait for cars because they were going in a groups. Anyway, it was 30 sec.
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Old September 22nd, 2010, 11:55 PM   #1632
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It's (generally) sold in multiples of 568ml, not pints. This is because it's illegal to sell milk in pints, as I said, due to metrication failing unless you suppress other units by force of law. That 568ml is a pint is definitely not a coincidence, people want to buy pints of milk, and people want to sell milk to people in the units they want to buy it in. Clearly the stick to force people to use metric isn't big enough and the grand re-education project is stuttering.

Anyway, can we get back to motorways in the UK...

The M50 looks reasonably busy in those photos, but then it's the route from South Wales to the Midlands and North, so it's not going to be empty, even if it's not going to be rammed packed with traffic.
And therein lies the problem. It actually creates more anti-eurpoe sentiments than anything else.

Anyway, great win for England in that game that is played with 5 pieces of wood at either end of a chain. The roads around the ground will be chocka now. Tomorrow I'm off down the A1M to Pontefract for the racing. Some interesting races over 5 & 6 furlongs and a couple of good milers. Got decent odds on one horse at 9/2 and have a 100/30 double on with another two.

M50 pics? Where!?
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 12:26 AM   #1633
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 12:38 AM   #1634
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Milk is sold in pint measures. There's no denying it.
Depends on the supermarket. Some say x pints, others say x litres.
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 11:27 AM   #1635
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A teacher I know recently pulled a brilliant stunt on his form class of 12 & 13 year old pupils in his final assembly with them before the summer break. Just before they were about to leave for the holidays, he wished them all a good time and went on to say...

'and when you return time will, of course, look a little different to the way it does now. In keeping with the spirit of European integration, this summer we will be moving to European Standard Time in which each minute is divided not in to 60 seconds but, instead, in to 100 centiclics. Have a great holiday.'

A few of the kids fell for it...and there were a few red faces (and a lot of laughter) when they tried to inform their parents of the change!
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 11:44 AM   #1636
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Beer bottles and cans are pretty much always metric, 500ml, 330ml etc. Milk is usually pints but everything else in a supermarket is metric.

I much prefer the metric system, its more logical, easier to do calculations in, internally consistent etc.

But having said that I don't think its worth the cost of changing all road signs, most people can figure out what a mile or yard is, its the more obscure units like furlongs, hundredweight and gills that people are quite understandably confused by.

Having said that I know quite a few proponents of the imperial system who wouldn't know how many yards are in a mile or how many pints are in a gallon if you asked them which just exemplifies why the system is so silly.
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 12:46 PM   #1637
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A teacher I know recently pulled a brilliant stunt on his form class of 12 & 13 year old pupils in his final assembly with them before the summer break. Just before they were about to leave for the holidays, he wished them all a good time and went on to say...

'and when you return time will, of course, look a little different to the way it does now. In keeping with the spirit of European integration, this summer we will be moving to European Standard Time in which each minute is divided not in to 60 seconds but, instead, in to 100 centiclics. Have a great holiday.'

A few of the kids fell for it...and there were a few red faces (and a lot of laughter) when they tried to inform their parents of the change!
This was done by Dave Lee Travis on Radio 1 on April 1st some time in the late 80's. Whether some of the callers were in on it I don't know but some of them were hilarious.
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Old September 23rd, 2010, 10:49 PM   #1638
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Beer bottles and cans are pretty much always metric, 500ml, 330ml etc. Milk is usually pints but everything else in a supermarket is metric.
As has been said, milk is sold as multiples of 568ml. It tells you how many millilitres are in the carton and 568ml is a metric number of a metric measurement. Likewise, a nickel in US currency is 5 cents, but people are allowed to call it a nickel and it is written on the coin as 'one nickel'. You wouldn't argue that the US currency isn't metric though.

568ml is metric and just because we call it a pint doesn't change this. That's why I don't see any need to get rid of pints of beer, though some documentation that it is 568ml wouldn't do no harm at all.
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As has been said, milk is sold as multiples of 568ml. It tells you how many millilitres are in the carton and 568ml is a metric number of a metric measurement. Likewise, a nickel in US currency is 5 cents, but people are allowed to call it a nickel and it is written on the coin as 'one nickel'. You wouldn't argue that the US currency isn't metric though.

568ml is metric and just because we call it a pint doesn't change this. That's why I don't see any need to get rid of pints of beer, though some documentation that it is 568ml wouldn't do no harm at all.
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As has been said, milk is sold as multiples of 568ml. It tells you how many millilitres are in the carton and 568ml is a metric number of a metric measurement. Likewise, a nickel in US currency is 5 cents, but people are allowed to call it a nickel and it is written on the coin as 'one nickel'. You wouldn't argue that the US currency isn't metric though.

568ml is metric and just because we call it a pint doesn't change this. That's why I don't see any need to get rid of pints of beer, though some documentation that it is 568ml wouldn't do no harm at all.
Yes, but the reason it's sold in multiples of 568ml rather than multiples of 471ml or 619ml is because 568ml = 1 (british) pint.
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