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Old September 25th, 2010, 08:10 PM   #1661
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Beer in pubs, out of the taps, must be sold in either 1/3 pint (normally not offered other than at beer festivals), 1/2 pint or pint quantities. There was some talk about allowing 2/3 pint for a smaller measure that wasn't quite a half, and also some pubs seem to have exceptions. However, milk and pint bottles of beer are sold as 568ml, as they cannot be sold in pints.

We've established that though.

A lot of bottled beer comes from Europe and is often imported - hence the 330 and 500 sizes - British beer is more often canned. Most bottled British beer come in bottles that are 568ml. 440ml is a bit odd (4/9 of a litre), metrically speaking, but when you realise it's 14 fl oz, it begins to make sense - it's 0.7 pints - this is why cans in the UK are that size, it's like all those cans of food that are 375g - that's 12 oz, or 3/4 of a pound. OK, the conversions aren't exact, but they are close enough not to have to change much in the canning process. 315g is 10 oz - see that sometimes on tinned food

Of course, none of this is relevant, but is useful background to the quasi-metric world we have in the UK, which explains somewhat why metrication is a long way away.
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Old September 25th, 2010, 08:18 PM   #1662
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I think that's the point the author is trying to make.
But, of course, my point in the bit you quoted and gave the article for was the l/100km is a dire unit for economy 1) because it's a unit of consumption and 2)as we don't use kilometres.

That said, even if I agreed with the author of that article fully (I see his point, but see a lot of straw man there), there's still two things getting in the way of me saying l/100km is a good thing:
1)the author was taking about consumption, which might not be in l/100km
2)it doesn't get rid of the problem that l/100km is an awful unit given the fixed nature of the distance, rather than the fuel - l/km is much better, but doesn't give nice numbers - all fractional or odd decimals.
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Old September 25th, 2010, 09:30 PM   #1663
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Beer in pubs, out of the taps, must be sold in either 1/3 pint (normally not offered other than at beer festivals), 1/2 pint or pint quantities. There was some talk about allowing 2/3 pint for a smaller measure that wasn't quite a half, and also some pubs seem to have exceptions. However, milk and pint bottles of beer are sold as 568ml, as they cannot be sold in pints.

We've established that though.

A lot of bottled beer comes from Europe and is often imported - hence the 330 and 500 sizes - British beer is more often canned. Most bottled British beer come in bottles that are 568ml. 440ml is a bit odd (4/9 of a litre), metrically speaking, but when you realise it's 14 fl oz, it begins to make sense - it's 0.7 pints - this is why cans in the UK are that size, it's like all those cans of food that are 375g - that's 12 oz, or 3/4 of a pound. OK, the conversions aren't exact, but they are close enough not to have to change much in the canning process. 315g is 10 oz - see that sometimes on tinned food

Of course, none of this is relevant, but is useful background to the quasi-metric world we have in the UK, which explains somewhat why metrication is a long way away.
You know, I've never seen beer sold in 1/3 of a pint. I'm 47.
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Old September 26th, 2010, 11:51 AM   #1664
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I am really sorry to interrupt this fascinating discussion about beer and milk sold in the UK, but I feel deep need to post some pictures taken on M25. It was bad weather that day (rain, clouds, fog and wind) so the images are not perfect, however they give brief overview what's going on between junction 10 and 27 on the mentioned motorway.



We start at the J10 and go clockwise to the J27. All we need to know about M25's widening progress can be read clicking on the link below:

http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/doc...B070139wec.pdf
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Old September 26th, 2010, 12:07 PM   #1665
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Old September 26th, 2010, 12:16 PM   #1666
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That sign 'end of motorway' isn't put in most fortunate place.








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Old September 26th, 2010, 12:21 PM   #1667
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Set your picasa album to public Otherwise the pictures don't show.
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Old September 26th, 2010, 12:28 PM   #1668
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Old September 26th, 2010, 12:38 PM   #1669
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Thanks Chris, but it is set to public. Do you really can't see them now?
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Old September 26th, 2010, 12:39 PM   #1670
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Old September 26th, 2010, 12:53 PM   #1671
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My supermarket only sells in litres - never seen anyone complain or not understand.

I have always thought that the solution to the problem is to designate a few pseudomeasures which would be allowed for naming purposes only, such that a Pinte = 500ml and a Pounde = 500g. You could ask for a Halfpinte of beer, but you could not have a two Pinte containier - it would be called a Litre.

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Old September 26th, 2010, 01:03 PM   #1672
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To get M1 one must not drive on offside lane which is for M25 only.
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Old September 26th, 2010, 01:21 PM   #1673
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Old September 26th, 2010, 02:07 PM   #1674
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Old September 26th, 2010, 02:16 PM   #1675
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Approaching 'Bell common tunnel'.



"M25 Bell Common Tunnel Refurbishment is a major maintenance scheme to replace mechanical and electrical equipment that was installed when the tunnel was constructed in the early 1980's. The refurbishment will also upgrade the safety equipment in the tunnel to current European Standards. Construction commenced on the 24th October 2008 with completion scheduled for March 2010.
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Old September 26th, 2010, 04:02 PM   #1676
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Great photos piotr71.

Out of curiosity, when was this section of the M25 between the M40 and M1 widened to 4 lanes?



Last time I used the M25 (probably 8 years ago LOL), this section was always 3 lanes. Are they planning to make the entire M25 4 lanes or more wide?
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Old September 26th, 2010, 06:42 PM   #1677
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Piotr I can only see a few pictures. Most of them won't show up.
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Old September 26th, 2010, 06:50 PM   #1678
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The pics don't show up for me, either... response from server is "403 Forbidden". Picasa doesn't allow hotlinking, perhaps?
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Old September 26th, 2010, 07:15 PM   #1679
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The pics don't show up for me, either... response from server is "403 Forbidden". Picasa doesn't allow hotlinking, perhaps?
Not as far as I know. Otherwise why would anyone use paid Flickr-pro accounts or even some shoddy unpaid hostings like Imageshack?
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Old September 26th, 2010, 07:27 PM   #1680
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You know, I've never seen beer sold in 1/3 of a pint. I'm 47.
I have, several times. Only when it's offered though (Wetherspoons Beer Festivals, and such like). If stopping for just a pint with friends, it makes some sense to try three different beers for the same price (maybe a smidge more) as a pint. It's purely a beer festival thing, which I did say it was.
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Out of curiosity, when was this section of the M25 between the M40 and M1 widened to 4 lanes?
It hasn't been...

All the signs still say that the J16-19 roadworks isn't open - the HA haven't said that 16-18 is all but finished. IIRC, they have been doing a couple of bits and bobs on weekend nights, even though the roadway and signage is finished in both directions (I guess it's verge work now - just cleaning up and planting)

I haven't been on the newly widened bit, using J18 for coming through Herts, and j16 for coming from Heathrow/Surrey. However, I'm surprised you weren't caught in a jam at J18 - you have 5 lanes go into 3 lanes in a short space, due to the roadworks to the north, and finished nature of the road to the south. a temporary lane drop wouldn't have gone amiss, but I guess you'll have to sign it.

J18-19 should be done before Christmas, at that point they'd 'open' the widened section south of there officially and turn on the Variable Speed Limits.

J19-21 is well underway, but still some time (a year?) off. They've done a little bit on J21-23 - you can see this from the photos.
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