2020 Summer Olympics / Games of the XXXII Olympiad bids

[emrearas]

Originally Posted by tommassi

Well... so much for my predictions:

http://www.madrid2020.es/madrid-2020...isima-ilusion/

They submitted the dossier about half an hour ago.



I'm not discussing the numbers. Just the "cosmetics", as I said. Reality and PR don't always go together (as a PR professional I should know :p).

PR can change anything into something else.. like red santa claus of coca cola

[Atomicus]

Originally Posted by emrearas

and dont worry for madrid... germans and french tax payers can handle it like at athens 2004 before

I don't know why the need of some of you to troll or spread flamme baits as a way to support the bid of your city.

German and French tax payers are not paying the infraestructures for the games to Madrid. Also, our debt came from the private sector polluting the public one, not because goverment overspent on infraestructures.

Anyway, I'm personally not worried. I want either Madrid or Tokyo to get the games so I have more chances of ending up happy than those who just support 1 city.

[DÁMASO]

One thing I do not understand much ... Olympic Games 2000 Istanbul is the last of the candidates, Olympic Games 2004 Istanbul is presented and can not missing the cut of the IOC, Olympic Games 2008 Istanbul is 4 th of 5 candidates, Olympic Games 2012 Istanbul is eliminated with the lowest note of the IOC only overcome by Havana ... Why is the favorite now without seeing the dossier has never been among the best? The choice of venue for the Olympic Games, should win the best candidate

[Galandar]

Originally Posted by DÁMASO

One thing I do not understand much ... Olympic Games 2000 Istanbul is the last of the candidates, Olympic Games 2004 Istanbul is presented and can not missing the cut of the IOC, Olympic Games 2008 Istanbul is 4 th of 5 candidates, Olympic Games 2012 Istanbul is eliminated with the lowest note of the IOC only overcome by Havana ... Why is the favorite now without seeing the dossier has never been among the best? The choice of venue for the Olympic Games, should win the best candidate

It is also a great mystery for me. Does anybody knows the reason IOC didn't shortlist Istanbul right after the 2008 race where it took 4th place among 5 qualified candidates?

[Napo]

Originally Posted by parcdesprinces

@RobH: Could you please remind me the cost (public) of London 2012 ?

So, do you really think that as an EU (especially as a French) taxpayer (and believe me I pay tons of taxes ) I can't give my opinion regarding a Spanish/Madrid bid, considering how in bad shape their economy is !

After Greece and Italy, I don't want to pay for Spain too, especially if it's because of very dispensable olympic games/bid, as simple as that !

I didn't understand the last phrase. When have you paid for Italy?

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by Galandar

It is also a great mystery for me. Does anybody knows the reason IOC didn't shortlist Istanbul right after the 2008 race where it took 4th place among 5 qualified candidates?

Because in the 2012 race, the other candidates/bids were much stronger I guess: London, Paris, New York, Moscow, Madrid etc

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by Napo

I didn't understand the last phrase. When have you paid for Italy?

The New York Times (May 2010)


And, as far as I know, your new prime minister is about to ask EU (= France & Germany) some financial helps...

[Napo]

Are you serious?

Originally Posted by parcdesprinces

And, as far as I know, your new prime minister is about to ask EU (= France & Germany) some financial helps...

Italy has never asked for financial helps. We don't need it, don't worry
Also because Europe doesn't have the money to save a big economy like Italy..so if we sink, we carry with us the entire continent.

[blacktrojan3921]

Originally Posted by parcdesprinces

The New York Times (May 2010)


And, as far as I know, your new prime minister is about to ask EU (= France & Germany) some financial helps...

Ouch XD So glad to be living in Canada, if I were european I'd be pissing my pants in fear.

[Alrayyan]

Qatar yesterday celebrated it first ever "National Sport day" !!



The second Tuesday of February is to be celebrated as National Sports Day in Qatar from the year 2012. Many series of sports events would be held through the country in both Public and Private sectors to emphasize sports among its population - national & expat.

""""Qatar becomes one of the few nations to dedicate a day for sports.""""

Activities took place Nation wide: Doha corniche, MIA Park, Aspire Park, Aspire zone, Education City(Qatar foundation), Qatar University, Katara, all sport clubs and facilities.













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National Sport Day along with other initiatives such as the Schools Olympic Program, Aspire Academy and the Women's Sport Committee are major building blocks towards a healthy sport driven society and key to Qatar's national vision or 2030 to become a knowledge based economy.








This is why Qatar is investing heavily in sports, this is why the nation is hosting major sport events, Doha 2020 Olympics is no exception.

Qatar is hosting: 2015 IHF Handball championship, 2021 FIFA confederations cup & 2022 FIFA World Cup.

Qatar is also bidding for: 2018 FIVB Volleyball championship, 2019 IAAF & 2020 Olympics.

[OriK]

Originally Posted by parcdesprinces

The New York Times (May 2010)


And, as far as I know, your new prime minister is about to ask EU (= France & Germany) some financial helps...

Tell us when you understand that graphic because if you relate it with your taxes, obviously you don't understand it (and it doesn't tell the huge amount of money that UK owes Spain nor the fact that, for example, France also owes money to Spain).

The main problem of Spain is not Public Debt (http://edition.cnn.com/2011/BUSINESS...ner/index.html). Is unemployment and private debt.

And "Spain owes X€ to France" in fact means "Spain owes X€ to some french banks" so it have nothing to do with your taxes.

[Galandar]

Originally Posted by Galandar

Baku 2020 Submits Bid Application Highlighting Four-Cluster Concept

One of those clusters will be located within the project Baku White City. As you may heard Azerbaijan has started the actual realization of BWC in 2011 so in my opinion there is a good chance that both projects will boost each other.

For additional information on Olympic Village in BWC please go to http://www.bakuwhitecity.com

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by OriK

And "Spain owes X€ to France" in fact means "Spain owes X€ to some french banks" so it have nothing to do with your taxes.

And when the French banks are in trouble (e.g. in 2008-2009 and later), who foots the bill according to you ??

Not to mention that the French State (i.e. the French taxpayers) owns shares in most of the large French banks.

[tommassi]

Enough of financials and sovereign crisis. I've already got to deal with that at work everyday, so I'm not going to get into it in a forum.

But... don't buy too much into the notion that most of the infraestructure needed for the games is already built in Madrid. It's not. Venues are just part of the equation... and even when talking about venues, there're quite a few still needed.

And we're about to find out just how much public money will go into it. As far as I understood, the private money will pay just for the bidding process. If Madrid gets the games, I'm afraid that a huge amount of public money will be needed.

[Azer_Akhundov]

Olympic Village

Concept Materplan - ATKINS

One of the largest districts of Baku White City was designed as part of Baku city's bid to host the Olympic Games in the year 2020.

Proposed Olympic Village is planned to accommodate residential apartments for around 18000 athletes and officials, along with media and broadcasting centers, tennis stadiums, velodrome and BMX, and large areas of open space, including continuation of Waterfront Boulevard.

PROGRAM:

- The Olympic Village for a 18000 population (213000 sqm)
- The Media Village for a 16000 population (187000 sqm)
- International Broadcast Center (48700 sqm)
- A Tennis Stadium (72300 sqm)
- Velodrome and BMX track (50800 sqm)

LEGACY:

After the Games, the Olympic Village intends to be a lasting legacy of es-sential new housing for City, by transforming it into a new residences and public spaces and expanding the City towards existing developments in eastern part of Baku.



















Source: www.bakuwhitecity.com

[OriK]

Originally Posted by parcdesprinces

And when the French banks are in trouble (e.g. in 2008-2009 and later), who foots the bill according to you ??

Not to mention that the French State (i.e. the French taxpayers) owns shares in most of the large French banks.

If your banks need taxpayers money to survive I think that France is in troubles (of course, also have happened in Spain, but not with any major bank). But if you think that your banks are doing us a favour buying Spanish public debt you are wrong. We both beneficiate from that. In fact the ECB had to buy some Spanish debt (and they "created" that money, it's not taxpayers money) in order to help us to decrease the interests that we were paying because they were rising very fast... and ECB got 1000 milions of € of revenues with those operations. (Of course they "deleted" that money to avoid inflation).

Again, the major problems in Spain are private debt (not public one) and unemployment. I think that the local and regional government of madrid with the help of the. central government would be able to host the games without any problem. I think that one of our main problems would be building hotels to that amount of people because we have almost every kind of infraestructure there,

It's an interesting topic but we are getting off-topic.

[parcdesprinces]

Agree with your last sentence ! (BTW, if you want to discuss such topics, there are several threads about that in the DLM and in the SSC global SkyBar )

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Oh, just a last thing :

Originally Posted by Napo

Europe doesn't have the money to save a big economy like Italy..so if we sink, we carry with us the entire continent.

Maybe, but the French public opinion wants more and more, regarding the EU/Eurozone, that France does exactly the same as the Costa Concordia Captain did.... if you see what I mean...

[Napo]

Yes, and now the Costa Concordia Captain is in very big troubles

ps: the French economic situation isn't that much better..

[Atomicus]

Originally Posted by parcdesprinces

Agree with your last sentence ! (BTW, if you want to discuss such topics, there are several threads about that in the DLM and in the SSC global SkyBar )

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Oh, just a last thing :



Maybe, but the French public opinion wants more and more, regarding the EU/Eurozone, that France does exactly the same as the Costa Concordia Captain did.... if you see what I mean...

I agree this is off-topic, but you were one of the starters of this off-topic so now you have to accept people coming up with a rebuttal.

Or just let Spain to decide what we want to do and the same for all the other candidates and let's go back on topic.

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by Atomicus

Or just let Spain to decide what we want to do

I didn't know that I personally had a veto power !! I'm more than glad to read that my humble opinion has such a "power" over you, my dears....